[Suggestion] Open discussion regarding kick vote system
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' wrote:Sake;4216043']I don't know the exact amount I spent so far, but I think it is around 3M, so for me the case is easy.
Otherwise, I was hoping that Z8 has a record of the amount of zp spent on each account. If not, then the whole idea is toppled right at the beginning.Humm okay, I have no idea how much I spent so it's hard for me. -
A whole system; i'll try to be down to the specifics as much as I can.
Get rid of the report system from the support section, here's why. I believe that our vote system should have strikeouts.
When a person gets kicked more than 3 times...in 2-3 days, he or she will be under the "monitored" list to be judged by the people who are responsible for banning them(honestly you should get a forum dedicated to where the community can judge them rather than CF and a place where people can post replays but just a possible exploitable idea though). Once z8 confirms that he or she is having then they may ban them. Simple enough right? This is to avoid the report system under support on the website from being filled with false positives or abuse by reporting the same guy over an over(Z8 hates being sent emails of the same guy I'm guessing)
The above is basically a repeat of the useless/failed honor system...but for kicking.
Now i want to change the in game vote system.Everybody hates being kicked for being to good(especially for Ace's) so hear me out. I think then you kick someone, there is a 4-5 minute delay before you can kick again(remove the kick limit by the way). The thing is, kicking requires everybody's consent(aside from the one being kicked obviously) thus during that 4-5 minute period of no kicking, someone else should be expected to kick for you. This is to make sure that it is a team effort rather than just you kicking the same guy cause you hate him personally. This also decreases the chance of pro's being kicked by "new players" who don't understand the game.
If you read this please tell me any exploits with this system I might change the post just a bit depending
Edit 1: Don't do the "Spend # zp and get invincabilty from kicking". Reason: Accounts could be sold once the game starts dying eventually or the dude retires AND this just makes z8games image seem greedy. (This sort of system is also called Elitism)
Edit 2: For games that is every many for himself(HM, HMX, etc) please raise the vote kick system requirement as people could be REALLY susceptible for being kicked as the new players kick their way to the top.
Edit 3: I believe we should still kick people near the end of the game(or else this whole post is useless xD)
Edit 4: For crying out loud, when a person doesn't vote then don't let all the votes go into the "F12" side. That is utter BS. Because it requires that new players have knowledge of that kind of system once they play this game. Just make it a simple majority who has kicked. ~motivated by "Pho?"'s original post.
Edit 5: When we kick someone, let it make it cost GP(at an exponential rate)-this allows more experiences players to judge the possible exploiter instead of being kicked from a bunch of "new players" ~svanced -
So the players that spent 2M+ ZP will be unkickable? WTF? They're not better than anyone else here.
Edit: So that means I will still get kicked just because I didn't spend 2000$+? Lmfao.
That is basically making this game a pay2win. I pay to not get kicked and then I can do whatever I want? -
There is a simple way to get rid of this thing...you have a lot of employees make that one of them randomly join in a room and make a screenshot to a "suspect", than analyse that screenshot and take some actions....idk if its wrong to mention but in Counter-Strike 1.6 was a system similar to waht i'd said...an owner of a server had few mod's and they randomly taked a screenshot of what is on your monitor (not a print screen).
I know that there are a lot of channels and rooms but i guess "the hackers" will be scared to do that again. And maby we will get rid of them.
Sorry, but we don't have THAT many GMs to join an efficient amount of rooms to monitor and action kick vote abuse. -
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My suggestionMake players who spent more than 2.000.000ZP unkickable, but don't change
the required number of voters again.[GM]Celestine wrote: »I will try to count your suggestions with thumbs up or down.
Please understand when I cannot update this thread 24/7.
- 1st suggestion: "Make players who spent more than 2.000.000ZP unkickable" - vote pro (1) against (2)
- 2nd suggestion: "change the required number of voters" - vote pro (1) against (1)
- 3rd suggestion: "host choose if they want to use kick vote system in the game or not" - vote pro (1) against (0)
I am not with U in "Make who had spent 2,000,000 ZP unkickable. I am 1 from players to have fun not to spent all my money in a game. I am from egypt 1 Dollar meaning 8 Egyptian pounds that's meaning 1 VIP for 632 Egyptioan pounds. I saw 1 before had 6 VIP and had many weapons from black market and his rank was The Bird I don't know the name of this rank an ZP char after all that he is hacking so I am not with u in making who spent 2,000,000 ZP unkickable.
And in the second suggestion I am not with, because there R many bad people in CF and noobs. If the noob is the host and any1 said to him press F11 or F12 he will.
I think let the kick system as it and if any hacker reported block him for 30 days or more but the minmum punish is 30 days
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Remove the kick system and do new report system if any 1 joined the game and he doesn't play save the game and report him and make his punishment from 3 hours to 3 days. That's my suggestion. -
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The first thing that came to my mind was that kick voting in HM, HMX and so on should be disabled completely. But if I think again, it's not the best thing to do, because if there's a hacker for, example, we won't be able to get rid of him. This being said, the Kick Vote system must be replaced with a new one, or the current one must be fully changed. A good idea I've seen so far was that the host of the room should be able to switch the kick voting ON or OFF. But something is still missing here... I can't think of the best way yet. Anyone?
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IamPatriot wrote: »The first thing that came to my mind was that kick voting in HM, HMX and so on should be disabled completely. But if I think again, it's not the best thing to do, because if there's a hacker for, example, we won't be able to get rid of him. This being said, the Kick Vote system must be replaced with a new one, or the current one must be fully changed. A good idea I've seen so far was that the host of the room should be able to switch the kick voting ON or OFF. But something is still missing here... I can't think of the best way yet. Anyone?
Report him and he should take long block time. That's what I see. -
Its so bad feeling when u got kick from a noob trying the kick system or any1 said to him kick any1 because I want to join or if U the ace and the second player kicked U because he want to be ace and if they will remove kick system they should put type of reporting if one insulted U.
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I think there used to be hacks to get free ZP, if someone could just get it like that, I don't think there would be any point to that.- "Make players who spent more than 2.000.000ZP unkickable"/"members who have spent a great deal of money in this game, as well as having a clean and long standing record (such as having no bans/suspensions for 3 years) should have kick vote immunity, and possibly extra power when deciding in kick votes" - vote pro (3) against (7)
and I have seen people who have started using hacks after play for like 2-3 years.
I think it would be better if it was like: new players can't kick, and old players just like how it is atm, because there are some really bad marshal players, I don't wanna get kicked 5 times by them ._.
Agreed
I don't normally join a room that is full of players of the same clan, because you are out if they don't like you or think that you are hacking, I would love this
Agreed- "host choose if they want to use kick vote system in the game or not" - vote pro (5) against (0)
Agreed (wait, what if there was 2 friends, one mutant and the other one human, and the mutant blocked the path to the human? how are we supposed to deal with these kind of players? wait for the round to end?)- "Remove the vote from zombie modes(MM/HM/HMX/MKM/ZM)" - vote pro (2) against (0)
This sounds good.
I would always be monitored then ._. when you are a little good in GM, you get kicked at least 5 times a day (well not when you play with with other GM players, but you can't always find that room)
I think this is very good, sometimes people kick others because their friend wants to join the same room, without thinking that the other person wants to play too, even if he has a bad score. (not like we all had good scores when we had just started playing CF)
I haven't seen many hackers around lately, but who knows when they come back, and we need to be prepared for that time!- "Just remove the vote kick overall" - vote pro (1) against (2)
And also, you might want to remove the reason thingy, no one uses that anyway, everyone gets kicked because they are "hackers"
Sorry about that, those are just my opinions and I just wanted to say something after getting kicked 5 times in a row then play 1 game, then get kicked 2-3 times in a row few days ago, and today I got "Hack tool has been detected" message 3-4 times (whenever I logged in) and I'm not even sure what program is causing that (disabled all new installed apps still no help)
phew... -
Since you're counting votes,When ppl creates a room give them the chance to choose if they want to use kick vote system in the game or not.x_LiGhTriSe wrote: »Eh, we deal like we always have I suppose.
Maybe the HOST should also be able to override a kick-vote.
If the host is a hecker, people leave.
And if the host is a low rank who's gonna kick you for being too good at the end of the game anyway, people would be wary to join.higher your rank, higher the numbers needed to kick seems nice
500 gp a kick or somethingTheSleepyFox wrote: »Accounts have to be older then X ammount of days to Kick
and possibly higher ranks mean more kicks??? like a LT would get 2 a smiliey face would get 0 a marshal could get say 5.
id rather trust a higher rank with more kicks then any low rank egy lol
-1 all of these. Gives unfair advantages, increases the odds of abuse.M4A1_Patriot wrote: »I Suggest Remove kick vote in ZM wave 24 and higher..
+1stop making afk votes count as f12
+1Pho_Exertus wrote: »Change the votes so that it only counts the people that actually voted to approve or deny.
Doing this will make kicks easier because it cancels out all the unused votes that automatically go into deny.
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Make players who spent more than 2.000.000ZP unkickable, but don't change
the required number of voters again.
+1, people that waste that much zp and hack are either filthy rich or dumb. I feel like people that deposit zp, are people that actually care about the game and support it. If players support the game, then maybe the game should support the players. (specifically the ones that deposit zp ^) -
First of all, there are some creative and productive ideas and thoughts on this thread. I been playing this game since the beginning of 2009 and here are my thoughts on the subject.
My ideas are simple:
1) Disable vote kicking for the last 2-3 rounds of the game. Ace/MVP always get kicked at the last couple of rounds.
2) Make it so that vote kick cost 2000-5000gp to began a vote. Therefore, less players are likely to kick other players simply because they are good.
3) Remove Kick option from Zombie mode. There is no need for it here.
4) The vote system is not needed in any mutant mode as long as there is no hackers. In my opinion, I would say to keep the vote system in these modes just to be safe.[GM]Celestine wrote: »I will try to count your suggestions with thumbs up or down.
Please understand when I cannot update this thread 24/7.
Suggestions in this discussion:
- "Make players who spent more than 2.000.000ZP unkickable"/"members who have spent a great deal of money in this game, as well as having a clean and long standing record (such as having no bans/suspensions for 3 years) should have kick vote immunity, and possibly extra power when deciding in kick votes" - vote pro (3) against (7)
- "Accounts have to be older then X ammount of days to Kickand possibly higher ranks mean more kicks??? like a LT would get 2 a smiliey face would get 0 a marshal could get say 5." - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "credited kick vote system. For example, the amount of credits could depend on the years that you’ve been playing CrossFire. And so if your account is 1 year-old you get 1 vote-credit, and if your account is 2 years-old you get 2 vote-credits, and so on. And here’s the catch, if your CrossFire account is younger than 1 year, then you get 0 credits!" - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "change the required number of voters" - vote pro (3) against (1)
- "1 person starts it then only 3 people from there team can f11 to support it after atleast 3 teamates support it then it can go through where everyone else can also f11" - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "stop making afk votes count as f12"/"it only counts the people that actually voted to approve or deny" - vote pro (4) against (1)
- "If there is a x amount of players from the same clan in the room, the number of votes required to kick a player out (when one of them initiates a vote) should be increased." - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "host choose if they want to use kick vote system in the game or not" - vote pro (5) against (0)
- "HOST should also be able to override a kick-vote" - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "Accounts have to be older then X ammount of days to Kickand possibly higher ranks mean more kicks??? like a LT would get 2 a smiliey face would get 0 a marshal could get say 5." - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "Disable kicking in the last two (2) rounds of the game, any mode."/ "Remove the function to kick near the end of a game, all modes." - vote pro (2) against (2)
- "Remove kick vote in ZM wave 24 and higher.." - vote pro (3) against (0)
- "Remove the vote from zombie modes(MM/HM/HMX/MKM/ZM)" - vote pro (2) against (0)
- "Disable the kick in mutant mode (HM,MM,HMX) for players who have more than 200 ping. They can still f11, f12, but they can't start the vote kick themself." - vote pro (2) against (0)
- "Make the vote cost (500GP for all voters)(2000 or 2500 gp)(at an exponential rate) 10000 GP or more for 1 use." - vote pro (9) against (1)
- "remove the 4-5 minute delay kick limit" - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "Give some MODs in-game kick abilities. Replays are automatically saved and sent to Z8 once this feature is used. The only reason for the kick should be hacking or glitching. Other wise, the MOD gets a penalty (if abuse continues). Other violations should be dealt with using the usual support system." - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "When a person gets kicked more than 3 times...in 2-3 days, he or she will be under the "monitored" list to be judged by the people who are responsible for banning them. Once z8 confirms that he or she is having then they may ban them." - vote pro (2) against (0)
- "Kicks for reasons that only affect the team the kicked person is on should only be voted on by that team." - vote pro (2) against (0)
- "Add a system that saves all players replays when kicked. - If a certain player was reported for unfair kicks a certain amount of times, they should lose some GP or get banned for x amount of hourse (no penalty on record/ribbons)." - vote pro (1) against (0)
- "Just remove the vote kick overall" - vote pro (1) against (2)
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1) I disagree with this. Players who spend that much money can still abuse the system.
2) I disagree with this. A lot of players farm their rank these days. Easy for them to get more votes if they are high rank.
3) I don't disagree nor agree. It could work but something like this has to be tested out.
4) I don't disagree nor agree with this point.
5) I disagree since players can abuse the system. Those 3 players could easily abuse the system and kick a legit players for getting a lot of kills.
6) I completely agree with this point. AFK players should not count towards the vote.
7) I disagree. A hacker might join the room.
8) I disagree. Vote system should not be option for the host to choose from.
9) I disagree with this point. The host can always abuse the power and kick other legit players.
10) Like I said before, a lot of players can easily farm their rank. So I disagree with this point. he amount of votes should not be based on the rank you have.
11) I completely agree with this point. Disabling the kick option in the last rounds is must. Players always kick the ace/mvp because they are jealous.
12) I agree. You should remove kick completely in Zombie Mode.
13) I disagree. I think the vote system should stay in the mutant modes.
14) I agree. Players who have a higher ping of 200 should not be able to kick.
15) I completely agree with this point. Players should pay a gp fee for starting a vote.
16) I think the delay should be reduced however, I don't think it should be removed.
17) I completely agree with this point. MODs should get some kind of kick abilities.
18) It could work but some players, including myself get kicked more than 7/10 games played everyday for being ace or mvp.
19) Sometimes, the team mates just press F12 for the sake of it. I disagree.
20) I disagree. A system like that is too much. Too much work for Z8Games so it won't happen.
21) I disagree. The kick system needs to be in CrossFire however some minor changes need to be made.
I know it's a lot but I hope I helped in some way. -
Here we go:
my suggestion is :
1- You cant kick anyone without kick ticket!
2- To get this kick ticket you must complete the fever bar!
3- Every time you complete it you gonna rewrd by 1 or 2 or 3 kick ticket (depends on how many hours you play or your RANK)
.: I hope this suggestion help you :.
By: 124ahmed124
#The_King_has_returned
Regards , -
After re-reading the entire thread once more, I want to express some more thoughts that I have.
I feel that the first suggestion, where players who spent over 2 million ZP should be unkickable, is being overlooked. My main point is that generally, those who can afford to spend that type of money, as well as playing for a longer period of time, are generally older in age. I believe that people who can afford to spend this type of money are more mature than the general gaming community.
It is under this thought that I believe that these individuals can use any kick vote regulating power responsibly. Any power provided to these individuals should not be considered something that has to be bought or achieved. I just feel that it is an accurate depiction of the mature end of the gaming community that can be trusted in ensuring that everyone in the room has a fair game experience.
I disagree with the suggestions which the power of the vote is dependent on rank, as we should all be aware that it can take much less than year to reach the Marshal rank with the stacking of VIP bonuses and utilizing particular farming methods.
I also would like to point out potential flaws with having power to the room host. It might have been left unnoticed that the host of the room does change when the current host leaves. This may cause problems in "recycled" rooms.
As for zombie modes, kick voting is highly unnecessary. In fact, having kick votes in death rally is downright outrageous. Though I have not experienced this myself, I can see people being kicked from rooms for being first.
MOD's and GM's should have much more control of the kick vote system, such as completely denying a kick vote or a force-kicking a player from the room. The game managers should definitely be supporting of a clean gaming experience. MOD's should also have the power, but should be required to save replays if possible to confirm that there is a plausible reason to kick a player.
As for the discussion about kick vote fees, it is a very complicated situation as players earn different rates of GP depending on various factors. As a thought, an individual should be charged an (X) amount of GP for initiating a kick vote (ex. 2500), and those who vote on the kick pay a smaller amount of GP (ex. 500) than the one who initialized the vote IF the vote succeeds. -
Remove Vote Kick option from players who under the major ...and From Major to Marshall[GM]Celestine wrote: »Greetings Mercenaries,
Many of you contacted support or posted here on the forum about your experience with the kick vote system. Please understand that abusing any features in CrossFire to grief players is a violation of our Terms of Use. However, it is very hard for us to prove the abuse just by screenshots and replays.
Some of you might have heard that another CrossFire version is trying to go new paths and deactivated their kick vote system after many requests to see how the community is handling issues in matches without it.
We believe that this is not an option for us at this point, and we want to open a discussion about other options and your ideas regarding improving the kick vote system.
Please use this thread to post constructive ideas and let us know your concerns. We ask you not to attack other players for their ideas no matter how much they go against your opinion.
We all want to thank you all for your input and we are looking forward to an useful discussion.
- CrossFire Team
2~4 Kick Vote in a day.. -
Here we go:
my suggestion is :
1- You cant kick anyone without kick ticket!
2- To get this kick ticket you must complete the fever bar!
3- Every time you complete it you gonna rewrd by 1 or 2 or 3 kick ticket (depends on how many hours you play or your RANK)
- infinite
I dont want people with god power to directly kick anyone without a vote. -
I have two personal wishes;
The last three minutes of every game, disable the application to start a kick vote. Most of the players get kicked in the last minutes of the game because they are ACE or MVP.
For the Zombie Mode normal / hard mode: from the beginning of round / wave 30, the kick vote system must be disabled.
This idea is good! We pay money and buy ZP. Because of our money this game is alive.
but think of it , these people who paid more than 2 million , most likley they will use the vote kick to kick other and abuse it more than the free 2 play or people who didnt spent that much , to make it more balanced make it up to 1 million it is enough , who is that hacker that would spent 1000$ just to risk his account , OR just like CF china
vip people have 2x kick deny each game , means for 2 times they get a vote kick approved it will deny , and HERE IS AN IDEA make this deny amount increase as the amount the vip use buy mmore vip weapons m so 1 vip weapon =increase 2x deny amount ,i agree with danah and moe data in the same time , however danah dont give a **** if i twas 5m$ even if he/she was the only person who spent it , i mean ok the community suck so bad , the worst community in the whole world , i never saw one game with this bad community ,this game must be called ethier pay to win/vote kick abuse simulator
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