Brainstorm to make the Competitive scene grow
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We'd love to. We just need a clear definition of "more".
As for modding barracks vs. competitive, Denxi has it.
Completely different audience, can't moderate the two sections the same way. I shut down threads in Barracks with a sarcastic remark and some information, while doing it here would cause quite a bit of disturbance.
Mind you I don't care personally, this is the internets after all. But the forum would suffer for it.
My modding style doesn't go well with competitive.
I often have a few minutes here and there and do as much as I can within that time, while competitive requires constant supervision to shut down the infectious discussions instantly or they'll just pile on and go on and on, without stopping until you ban everyone involved for a week.
was gonna write more but i lost track and im hungry, bbl
I understand.. my apologies.. but i think our mods should try to get more involved.. i mean it kinda shows also look how old our Competitive/Tournament page is on z8games.. at least they could update it too WCG 2012[GM]Saidin wrote: »I haven't had a chance to read the 11 pages here, I'm hoping there's some great discussion. But I did want to address this.
We've tried supporting things. It's very difficult to put up a significant cash prize for something that is truly untested. IE a first time tournament organizer or some sort of first run league.
We've tried putting up prizes though that are tangible. In the past. To organizers. But the community seemed to have demolished those organizers desires to complete the tournament.
Lets say hypothetically I gave you 500 dollars (or even say $1000) to run a tournament and award the winner. OK, 500 bucks isn't a heck of a lot of money, but 100 bucks per player for say 3-4 weeks of playing a video game isn't something to scoff at either. Especially when there could be a promise of more. (side note, we would love to see 1 million dollar tournaments in Cross Fire, but right now there doesn't seem to be enough organizational and player support for that size of a thing so we have to start small and work it up)
The problem is, 2 weeks into the tournament half the teams quit, you're forced to make a tough call on a player who has done nothing but act like a racist, popus, arrogant idiot which subsequently then has half the tournament players against you and the whole thing ends up in shambles with the entire community hating the fact that you took time to run a tournament with a cash prize. Now the tournament is over, no one got anything out of it and because it finished in such shambles we can't even track down the proper people to award some sort of prize to let alone the cash.
Since WCG 2012 we have seen this happen 3-4 times with different people. I'm stunned at the fact that people can't just see the benefit and good to enjoying the game on some simple level. Even the drama surrounding WCG, which was for all intensive purposes the easiest trip to China for any kid in America to participate in and win. Who gets to see the world for 5 days? For Free? To play video games? This seems like an opportunity I wouldn't turn down! And if your telling me it's only going to take a few hours of playing Cross Fire each day to keep my skills up to go as the only requirement? Where do I sign??? Instead I want to involve myself in drama on communities, insult other players, try to hack the game and cheat my way to the top etc etc etc. The drama surrounding WCG was incredible. And we're talking about a 5 in 50 shot at traveling to another country to play a video game!
Anyways, this may sound like a bit of a rant to some, but these are the kinds of frustrations we see from this side of the community, we're not a very large staff here and we are trying our best to keep up with everyone's desires, including trying to support tournaments and leagues. But the community constantly puts down effort by everyone involved to the point where they no longer want to participate or organize.
So take that as is, I'll try to catch up on these other posts and try to response with some official words and discussion!
I definitely agree the community needs to improve too! I think you guys should try and find a way to start something up and get it going again... just throwing things out there.. i also think you should definitely update the tournament/competitive page on z8games to WCG 2012 or something recent.. http://tournament.z8games.com/ even as simple as updating the rosters.. i would suggest adding HAMMERTIME as LPK doesent play much anymore and HAMMERTIME is probably currently the top USA team -
I understand.. my apologies.. but i think our mods should try to get more involved.. i mean it kinda shows also look how old our Competitive/Tournament page is on z8games.. at least they could update it too WCG 2012
Yes, I agree.
i've made a point of waiting for the competitive community to pull itself together before getting nice things, but had a recent change of heart.
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y not make bans public. i can see how it doesn't work. but then again it lets ppl know z8 is banning the account of which indeed used hacks.
Many people complain bout hacks but yet don't do anything(i.e. report). Obv there needs to be AC that would help but, yeah (esg). but community mostly ruined the chance of leagues. In which we reverted towards player host leagues(ccc,lpk,Cfl,pres). Not saying its bad it just shows ppl that want to help. However wasn't that like most leagues, they wanted to help but we had issues with all they did.Was it necessarily to be down their back, at times but it a whole community effort at least what we can do is meet them halfway. We can't expect anything perfect nothing will ever be perfect in life or in a video game.
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Yes, I agree.
i've made a point of waiting for the competitive community to pull itself together before getting nice things, but had a recent change of heart.
hopefully we can do something to push it in the right direction soon enough.
definitely appreciate your understanding! That would be cool to see it happen, you should try to push it in the right direction! Your word is heard more then all of ours.. Thanks -
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »I haven't had a chance to read the 11 pages here, I'm hoping there's some great discussion. But I did want to address this.
We've tried supporting things. It's very difficult to put up a significant cash prize for something that is truly untested. IE a first time tournament organizer or some sort of first run league.
We've tried putting up prizes though that are tangible. In the past. To organizers. But the community seemed to have demolished those organizers desires to complete the tournament.
Lets say hypothetically I gave you 500 dollars (or even say $1000) to run a tournament and award the winner. OK, 500 bucks isn't a heck of a lot of money, but 100 bucks per player for say 3-4 weeks of playing a video game isn't something to scoff at either. Especially when there could be a promise of more. (side note, we would love to see 1 million dollar tournaments in Cross Fire, but right now there doesn't seem to be enough organizational and player support for that size of a thing so we have to start small and work it up)
The problem is, 2 weeks into the tournament half the teams quit, you're forced to make a tough call on a player who has done nothing but act like a racist, popus, arrogant idiot which subsequently then has half the tournament players against you and the whole thing ends up in shambles with the entire community hating the fact that you took time to run a tournament with a cash prize. Now the tournament is over, no one got anything out of it and because it finished in such shambles we can't even track down the proper people to award some sort of prize to let alone the cash.
Since WCG 2012 we have seen this happen 3-4 times with different people. I'm stunned at the fact that people can't just see the benefit and good to enjoying the game on some simple level. Even the drama surrounding WCG, which was for all intensive purposes the easiest trip to China for any kid in America to participate in and win. Who gets to see the world for 5 days? For Free? To play video games? This seems like an opportunity I wouldn't turn down! And if your telling me it's only going to take a few hours of playing Cross Fire each day to keep my skills up to go as the only requirement? Where do I sign??? Instead I want to involve myself in drama on communities, insult other players, try to hack the game and cheat my way to the top etc etc etc. The drama surrounding WCG was incredible. And we're talking about a 5 in 50 shot at traveling to another country to play a video game!
Anyways, this may sound like a bit of a rant to some, but these are the kinds of frustrations we see from this side of the community, we're not a very large staff here and we are trying our best to keep up with everyone's desires, including trying to support tournaments and leagues. But the community constantly puts down effort by everyone involved to the point where they no longer want to participate or organize.
So take that as is, I'll try to catch up on these other posts and try to response with some official words and discussion!
You have business issues and you point your finger at your customers?
In the real world this is refereed to as fiscal suicide!
You run tournaments like you run the consumer side of your business...You let children do it.
The competitive scene doesn't add up fiscally so you put no effort into it. Children are unable to make executive decisions and are completely incapable of managing people...Business MEN do that.
WCG was a joke because children managed the process...Children did what children do.
The carrot is a nice gesture, but your customers are not stupid and they know full well they will never see China. The carrots are great, but the culture is all that matters. If you doubt me see Counter Strike or Counter Strike Source...Your business model is both better and more profitable than those games yet there are very few cheats (practically none at a competitive level). Painting you customers as ungrateful...That is so off base I don't know what to say...
Cheating is an integral part of this game..You have either intentionally built it this way or poorly manged it into this state....either way you are completely responsible. The culture of both this game and the forums belongs to your management. You should own that...it is YOUR business right?
The clan channel (or some place in this game) must be sacred ground where your customers can play an honest game. Do this and players will come back to this game....We had 100 members in Sanitarium...60-70 that spent serious money all the time. Other than myself and ZZXQ they are all gone now. Considering what they spent and that all the other clans experienced similar shrinkage, I would think that would matter to a real businessman?
Do you have so much money that you can just...burn it?
I do not understand your short sighted approach and your grossly negligent fiscal management?
This is a great game. The clan system makes it so.
There are those who are here for a little while to play with cheats and whatever....I say who cares and I sincerely hope they make you money. So run the odd patch and run it like a cash cow...If you don't make money we don't have a game...I get it.
On the other hand you are throwing money away (literally burning it) by not preserving an integrity portion to this game. Every gaming organization charges for a "cheat free environment with prizes"....Why don't you? Own it, manage it like it matters, and it will pay for itself...Either directly or indirectly.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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Well there are many things that need to be done to keep competitive Crossfire alive as well as make it grow.
Step 1 (Z8): Start from the bottom up. Z8 Games needs to make some changes if they want to help the competitive community of crossfire grow. They need to help with setting up competitive events as well as putting up prizes for these events. Furthermore z8 needs to keep the competitive tabs on the website up to date so that new players to the competitive scene have a way to learn about it more.
Step 2 (Growth): There are many ways to grow the community. The first one is simple yet overlooked and that is dig in to the players who already play. You can do this personally and by z8 doing it. As a competitive player, you should be going to pub clans and trying to get them interested in competitive crossfire, respectively z8 should be doing the same thing whether its through prizes to entice pub players or just a chance to play a game competitively I think this alone would be a good start.
Step 3 (Publicity): Z8 in my opinion as well as its players do not do a good job of promoting the game itself. This could be done through streams, casts, live events, and advertising. When z8 focused on competitive players doing big things like bag in 2010 the competitive scene was much more thriving, and partly why I joined. Streams and casts also need to become popular. To get the competitive scene out there we have to work on getting stream numbers and cast views to help boost the community. I am currently working on a side project and will most likely get GECKS to cast for this. It involves some big names helping me to promote crossfire that I will have more details on at a later date. I will also continue to promote my Crossfire Ranked League as something for everyone not just current competitive players to join.
Step 4 (Community): The number one problem with this community is the way it acts towards other players within the community. If this community had the maturity and respect to HELP players that are just starting out in competitive play instead of constantly criticizing them until they quit, we would have a larger player base and stronger community. To get to this point, we just need to as a community put an end to the presence of trolling each other for no reasons and bashing other players and teams. This community needs to be one that new players can join and feel like they are part of a respectable and professional group of competitive players.
What I hope these things can bring in the future:
1 - I want a more respectable and professional acting community
2- I want a larger community that will embrace and help new players
3- I want to promote the game through streams casts and live events
4- I want there to be fun events such as LANs and Leagues that bring the community together
5- I hope that this community will step up and do what is needed to keep this game thriving, because in all honesty it is my favorite game.
Thanks for taking the time to read my views, if you would like to talk with me leave a reply or add me on xfire: zzxq
Sounds like a step in the right direction ZZ!
The bottom line is we are being asked to manage Z8's business....I have no problem helping somebody, but if you told me you wanted to run one of my real-estate development projects and interact with my customers...Well...that would never happen.
Why Z8 doesn't know where to take this thing is beyond me?
My companies spend a great deal of time creating plans and vision that are at the core of the driving force for every aspect of what we do.
I know exactly what my customers want and I make sure they get exactly that.
How can this be so hard for Z8?
I think Z8 needs to get on the bus and act as the driving force here. Until then, this will go nowhere.
The same goes with some controls and moderation on the forums. You can't have a volunteer donate a great deal of heart and soul then have some do nothing nitpicker destroy everything he worked for. This portion of the forums needs to be run respectfully and with an iron fist by a moderator that gives a ****. Short holidays are not the end of the world and enforce the general direction taken by this company and its players.
Find a direction, take a stance, then man up Z8.
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Children are unable to make executive decisions and are completely incapable of managing people...Business MEN do that.
WCG was a joke because children managed the process...Children did what children do.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Respectfully
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lionheartxo wrote: »
There is more to business than a website....Your page might impress somebody that isn't a businessman...I have decades of business experience and had dozens of websites built. I have code guys, flash designers, and web designers all over the planet. The same people asked me to finance another e sports gamer league (similar to ESL). For health reasons I declined (I am in fact semi retired due to health related issues), but you would ill advised to assume I know nothing or have not studied your business thoroughly...
A website is but one tiny part of a business....It amounts to nothing without a strong business and support....It is a start and some nice eye wash for customers....Nothing more.
I pass judgement by performance history.
If a customer judges your performance as poor you would do well to take note...I am not alone here....Otherwise time will see you will join the long ranks of failed business.
I don't mean to crap all over others efforts...Quite to the contrary I wish them nothing but success. That said, success will be elusive while following the current road map/customer management/relations...It does not work.
This can be done, but as far as Crossfire goes much must change. Get Z8 to make some changes and you may have yourself a winner.
Last but not least the site should be active and functioning...Sometimes best to take these things down until you are ready....
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You're a moron.aTastyCookii wrote: »
There is more to business than a website....Your page might impress somebody that isn't a businessman...I have decades of business experience and had dozens of websites built. I have code guys, flash designers, and web designers all over the planet. The same people asked me to finance another e sports gamer league (similar to ESL). For health reasons I declined (I am in fact semi retired due to health related issues), but you would ill advised to assume I know nothing or have not studied you business thoroughly...
A website is but one tiny part of a business....It amounts to nothing without a strong business and support....It is a start and some nice eye wash for customers....Nothing more.
I pass judgement by performance history.
If a customer judges your performance as poor you would do well to take note...I am not alone here....Otherwise time will see you will join the long ranks of failed business.
I don't mean to crap all over others efforts...Quite to the contrary I wish them nothing but success. That said, success will be elusive while following the current road map/customer management/relations...It does not work.
This can be done, but as far as Crossfire goes much must change. Get Z8 to make some changes and you may have yourself a winner.
Good luck
You're also an idiot. I wasn't linking you to their client page for the visual experience, I was pointing out that when you said "WCG was ran by children" you had no idea what you were talking about. essa organized WCG (not just for crossfire, they organized the ENTIRE event at new york comic con, crossfire wasn't the only game there fyi), I'm fairly certain Craig Levine is not a child and is in a much better place than you are financially and at a professional level because he's a good businessman and he makes good decisions. Unless you can actually back up your claims with facts then you should move along. -
It isn't my page, but awesome story. I didn't know ignorance was a health condition. They asked you to finance, not run. Don't forget that point.There is more to business than a website....Your page might impress somebody that isn't a businessman...I have decades of business experience and had dozens of websites built. I have code guys, flash designers, and web designers all over the planet. The same people asked me to finance another e sports gamer league (similar to ESL). For health reasons I declined (I am in fact semi retired due to health related issues), but you would ill advised to assume I know nothing or have not studied you business thoroughly...
A website is but one tiny part of a business....It amounts to nothing without a strong business and support....It is a start and some nice eye wash for customers....Nothing more.
I pass judgement by performance history.
If a customer judges your performance as poor you would do well to take note...I am not alone here....Otherwise time will see you will join the long ranks of failed business.
I don't mean to crap all over others efforts...Quite to the contrary I wish them nothing but success. That said, success will be elusive while following the current road map/customer management/relations...It does not work.
This can be done, but as far as Crossfire goes much must change. Get Z8 to make some changes and you may have yourself a winner.
Good luck
ESSA is ran by the same people who run ESEA. In your essay you kept telling people to "look to counter strike for guidance".
An eyewash for guidance? ESSA has worked with on some of the largest events in NA. They've been running successful events for several years now. You say you pass judgement by performance history, yet I highly doubt you know anything about the history of various CS events in NA. Their current road map seems to be working fine. Considering nearly every major event in NA is going to them for business.
You honestly think it matters that idiots on the cf forums complained about WCG? It's not like they even wanted crossfire as a title game; I am sure they much rather would of preferred 1.6 or csgo.
Also this statement made me laugh hysterically:
I guess you are an expert on the state of competitive cs. Online CS has been rampant with cheating for a long time. The community is so tiny now and all that has survived really is esea (mainly because their acs team has been the most resilient). Even then tons of people are still banned in waves with each update.Crapshoot wrote:If you doubt me see Counter Strike or Counter Strike Source...Your business model is both better and more profitable than those games yet there are very few cheats (practically none at a competitive level).
The fact that you are telling z8/g4box to come up with their own acs cracks me up even more. Whatever business field you focused on before in your career it is pretty obvious that it had nothing to do with gaming/esports. z8/g4box have xtrap. Just like most ac systems that aren't third party (gameguard, punkbuster, vac, etc.) it can't keep with the cheat creators. This is just a simple fact online gaming.
Please keep posting. That goes for all of you. I get some weird enjoyment reading your idealistic solutions for this community. The best part is the solution is so simple.
It's been said so many times by so many people it's becoming annoying. All that is needed is working acs and funding for cash prizes. That is all any "competitive" community needs to survive.
Please once again keep typing up these motivational essays on fighting the good fight and being the best person you can. Your posts bring laughter to the children. Don't forget, nothing is more precious than a child's laughter. -
There is more to business than a website....Your page might impress somebody that isn't a businessman...I have decades of business experience and had dozens of websites built. I have code guys, flash designers, and web designers all over the planet. The same people asked me to finance another e sports gamer league (similar to ESL). For health reasons I declined (I am in fact semi retired due to health related issues), but you would ill advised to assume I know nothing or have not studied your business thoroughly...
A website is but one tiny part of a business....It amounts to nothing without a strong business and support....It is a start and some nice eye wash for customers....Nothing more.
I pass judgement by performance history.
If a customer judges your performance as poor you would do well to take note...I am not alone here....Otherwise time will see you will join the long ranks of failed business.
I don't mean to crap all over others efforts...Quite to the contrary I wish them nothing but success. That said, success will be elusive while following the current road map/customer management/relations...It does not work.
This can be done, but as far as Crossfire goes much must change. Get Z8 to make some changes and you may have yourself a winner.
Last but not least the site should be active and functioning...Sometimes best to take these things down until you are ready....
Good luck
Tastylimes claimed to be a business person, except he was not an idiot.
A real intellect would not use ellipses after every sentence. It baffles me how you can claim to be experienced in business. This is for serious discussion, not mindless babbles. -
taeyeoNNNNN wrote: »Tastylimes claimed to be a business person, except he was not an idiot.
A real intellect would not use ellipses after every sentence. It baffles me how you can claim to be experienced in business. This is for serious discussion, not mindless babbles.
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Who said we have business issues? Casually the game is as strong now as it has ever been.You have business issues and you point your finger at your customers?
In the real world this is refereed to as fiscal suicide!
However if you would like to talk about business issues then we have to talk about ROI. And at current the ROI on investing on staff to dedicate to run the side of the game we're talking about here is not an option, because that would be a bad business decision.
What we're trying to do with these discussions and learning is to find a way to improve this competitive community without the need to hire more staff. Running a tournament takes an immense amount of work. My point has been that we have always tried to reach out and support those people who want to run those tournaments. However so far we have not seen any fruits of that labor.
So we need to figure something else out. Maybe it starts with this LAN, maybe it starts by getting a couple of "competitive only moderators". Maybe it starts by getting more people on twitch and broadcasting some matches through our official channel. Just because we've tried one thing doesn't mean we're giving up.You run tournaments like you run the consumer side of your business...You let children do it.
The competitive scene doesn't add up fiscally so you put no effort into it. Children are unable to make executive decisions and are completely incapable of managing people...Business MEN do that.
WCG was a joke because children managed the process...Children did what children do.
Our job here is to manage the game, not manage the people (in some respect). We police the crowds as best we can by banning as many hackers, removing problem users etc etc etc. We want to find ways to grow the game, by using the same team that we have here from the start.The carrot is a nice gesture, but your customers are not stupid and they know full well they will never see China. The carrots are great, but the culture is all that matters. If you doubt me see Counter Strike or Counter Strike Source...Your business model is both better and more profitable than those games yet there are very few cheats (practically none at a competitive level). Painting you customers as ungrateful...That is so off base I don't know what to say...
Your mistaking the point of my comment. It's not about ungrateful, it's about direct experience I've seen with players.
Take for example the post game interviews with some of the players at the American NF's. For one, to be involved in the qualifying tournament wasn't very difficult, but it's disappointing to hear players say lines like "we weren't really prepared, we didn't practice." If practice is what it takes to win, then that's great. It's certainly not an excuse for saying you lost. The opportunity to go to China or to be involved at that level is so simple.
But really, I mean that from a perspective of all video games, not just Cross Fire. There are so many opportunities to become a professional gamer, it takes dedication to the cause. But this CF competition and qualifiers to attend even New York, or get yourself sponsored by a company like FG doesn't take much! Certainly less than if this was say.. League of Legends.
Again, I am not sure what the purpose of this statement is. It seems you've gone from talking about competitive gaming to just now complaining about hacks and cheats. The game was created 10+ years ago and is based on an engine that is easily compromised. We had an anti-cheat established for use for the WCG qualifiers. But players complained because it picked up cheats on their computers. We know for a fact that it did because we found all the necessary evidence in the scans. No one wanted to admit it and the only way we could solve the problem was to release the source code of the anti cheat. Which by the way is a brilliant way to invalidate the process.Cheating is an integral part of this game..You have either intentionally built it this way or poorly manged it into this state....either way you are completely responsible. The culture of both this game and the forums belongs to your management. You should own that...it is YOUR business right?
There are players here, who consider themselves legit, who are reading this right now who know that they have either recently or earlier hacked in the game. In the case of the MyAC we discovered those things, but everyone just denied it.
All other sources of information on what we do in the game to combat cheating are documented. Other things which you wish we were doing are just either technically impossible or not available as options for us. We have some new things coming in soon which will also work against all the alternate account and spoofing going on, but they aren't quite ready to be implemented yet and I can't give any further information on it.The clan channel (or some place in this game) must be sacred ground where your customers can play an honest game. Do this and players will come back to this game....We had 100 members in Sanitarium...60-70 that spent serious money all the time. Other than myself and ZZXQ they are all gone now. Considering what they spent and that all the other clans experienced similar shrinkage, I would think that would matter to a real businessman?
I'm not sure what you mean by this above paragraph, can you elaborate?On the other hand you are throwing money away (literally burning it) by not preserving an integrity portion to this game. Every gaming organization charges for a "cheat free environment with prizes"....Why don't you? Own it, manage it like it matters, and it will pay for itself...Either directly or indirectly.
I'd like to just point out the previous example that we had an anti cheat that no one believed.
At the moment, a paid only separate server is not an option. Not to mention it wouldn't stop people from hacking on that server either.
From what I get out of your post is that you're frustrated with the hacking, and I definitely sympathize with you. We are not "blaming" anyone for that, and certainly not the gamers. We're not blaming the competitive community for getting frustrated that there isn't a tournament, or that a league starts up and fails or that they are expecting prizes.
We are not burning money, but we are willing to support (yes support does mean money in some cases) leagues and tournament organizers who want to take up the banner and start something.
Heck, they probably know more about anti cheats than us, as was the case with MyAC. But no one believe MyAC worked, even though it did. So it's a catch 22. What are we going to do. Implement an anti cheat that everyone says doesn't work? This also btw happened in season 1 with WOGL with their AC as well.
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Well how about the prizes some people never received?[GM]Saidin wrote: »If you have any suggestions on that we're all ears!
There's the WCG 2011 prizes:
"Cross Fire will generously give each player who qualifies for the US National Finals the following prize package of items:
5 M4A1-Elite Crates
30 Day AWM - Advanced
30 Day 50% EXP Boost Item"
and don't forget the WOGL in-game name card for playing season 2.
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Well how about the prizes some people never received?
There's the WCG 2011 prizes:
"Cross Fire will generously give each player who qualifies for the US National Finals the following prize package of items:
5 M4A1-Elite Crates
30 Day AWM - Advanced
30 Day 50% EXP Boost Item"
and don't forget the WOGL in-game name card for playing season 2.
yes I want my wogl in game card and my wogl SPRAY PLEASE! -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »We are not burning money, but we are willing to support (yes support does mean money in some cases) leagues and tournament organizers who want to take up the banner and start something.
If you have any suggestions on that we're all ears!
We'd love to keep the Presidential Cup going, but we don't have much as far as prizes go. If we had more to give the players, perhaps they would be willing to invest money into the cup/pay an entree fee. If that happens, maybe we could get enough teams/players registering/paying entree fees to rent an anti cheat.
^Anything would be appreciated.
Long story short, like Doop said, we need prizes and an anti cheat. A small prize here or there could lead to small fees which could lead to an anti cheat, and eventually a larger, and hopefully better, community. -
I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the Internet? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little ****. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will **** fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're ****ing dead, kiddo.
I surrender, I was only trained in guerrilla warfare.
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Well how about the prizes some people never received?
There's the WCG 2011 prizes:
"Cross Fire will generously give each player who qualifies for the US National Finals the following prize package of items:
5 M4A1-Elite Crates
30 Day AWM - Advanced
30 Day 50% EXP Boost Item"
and don't forget the WOGL in-game name card for playing season 2.
Devs never implemented Season 2 namecards, it was beyond our control. Tournament fizzled, bobby left and I couldn't confirm winners.
While I believe forum posts from some of you guys here, we simply could not award the prize based on speculation.
Soon after that WOGL disappeared and I was unable to get in touch with either Bobby or Stephen for months and months. -
We'd love to keep the Presidential Cup going, but we don't have much as far as prizes go. If we had more to give the players, perhaps they would be willing to invest money into the cup/pay an entree fee. If that happens, maybe we could get enough teams/players registering/paying entree fees to rent an anti cheat.
^Anything would be appreciated.
Long story short, like Doop said, we need prizes and an anti cheat. A small prize here or there could lead to small fees which could lead to an anti cheat, and eventually a larger, and hopefully better, community.
We're all for it. Check your PMs
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