Please Un-nerf the Kriss
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I'm not insulting you of a cheater, I'm saying the truth. There's a difference.
Hackusations are an automatic WIN!
THANKS BOSS!
On topic: +1 to unnerfing the kriss.
You really need to get the gun before you call it out as this OP supppoesd "cheat" gun. -
Rate Of Fire = How much ammunition is fired, not how much ammunition hits. Thus, pellets can not be taken in consideration since pellets are not shot one by one as separate cartridges but are fired from a whole, in this case a shotgun shell. Nice try though.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »If we're going to note that shotguns shoot more than one bullet at a time with a single shot, one could reason in that regard its faster. I don't know any other weapons that shoot more than one bullet all at once.
But in definition, shotguns are spray weapons. All the projectiles fire in a wide spread rather than controlled accuracy. The crosshair means little to the user except for 'it shoots in this general direction'.
I could be wrong about this statistic, but the XM1014 could unload its 6 shots roughly containing 8 or so bullets in the same timeframe as the Kriss could unload its clip. However, in total the XM has an 18 bullet advantage even in that case.
Besides, even if you manage to hit the target with large spread, if only one or two pellet hits the damage will be low. You need to hit the target with most of those pellets to get a kill, effectively making it's spread useless if you don't aim most of the pellets in the target.
I do agree that it's easier to hit a target with a shotgun, I do not agree that it's easier to kill the target with it.
@ Jafrikan > Did I said you hack? I don't think so. I said that you cheat, using an unbalanced weapon. Again, nice try. Are you out of arguments yet? -
Rate Of Fire = How much ammunition is fired, not how much ammunition hits. Thus, pellets can not be taken in consideration since pellets are not shot one by one as separate cartridges but are fired from a whole, in this case a shotgun shell. Nice try though.
Besides, even if you manage to hit the target with large spread, if only one or two pellet hits the damage will be low. You need to hit the target with most of those pellets to get a kill, effectively making it's spread useless if you don't aim most of the pellets in the target.
I do agree that it's easier to hit a target with a shotgun, I do not agree that it's easier to kill the target with it.
@ Jafrikan > Did I said you hack? I don't think so. I said that you cheat, using an unbalanced weapon. Again, nice try. Are you out of arguments yet?
Yes, (unless its the despo's) the damage ratio would be overall low. Probably equivalent or maybe higher than a shot from the Kriss would do. If we are still talking CQC here. Chances are though that even if 2 or so pellets hit per those 6 shots, I think its still quite likely it would still kill, if not before then. In a CQC situation its more likely that the shotgun would have more hits than the Kriss would in that case, and the shotty would have a likely chance of 1 shotting, where the Kriss, in any fashion is incapable of even doing so.
In the reality of the situation the kings of the range classifications usually go as follows.
Close Combat: Shotguns - Power and 1 hit capabilities and spread in tight areas.
Medium Range: Submachine Guns - ROF combined with tight accuracy.
Long Range: Assault/Sniper Rifles - Accuracy and damage over long distances, ROF also for assault rifles.
My one argument stand overall for the Kriss is that in none of these categories does the Kriss top the normal class of guns at their peak. Remaining good at the first two, but not the best. -
Now. If you miss once with a shotgun, what will happen? Recoil and slower ROF won't make a good mix. Kriss doesn't have this, thus bypassing any need of aiming or recoil control. This is my argument, the Kriss being overpowered because it removes the need to control recoil and to aim.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Yes, (unless its the despo's) the damage ratio would be overall low. Probably equivalent or maybe higher than a shot from the Kriss would do. If we are still talking CQC here. Chances are though that even if 2 or so pellets hit per those 6 shots, I think its still quite likely it would still kill, if not before then. In a CQC situation its more likely that the shotgun would have more hits than the Kriss would in that case, and the shotty would have a likely chance of 1 shotting, where the Kriss, in any fashion is incapable of even doing so.
In the reality of the situation the kings of the range classifications usually go as follows.
Close Combat: Shotguns - Power and 1 hit capabilities and spread in tight areas.
Medium Range: Submachine Guns - ROF combined with tight accuracy.
Long Range: Assault/Sniper Rifles - Accuracy and damage over long distances, ROF also for assault rifles.
My one argument stand overall for the Kriss is that in none of these categories does the Kriss top the normal class of guns at their peak. Remaining good at the first two, but not the best. -
Now. If you miss once with a shotgun, what will happen? Recoil and slower ROF won't make a good mix. Kriss doesn't have this, thus bypassing any need of aiming or recoil control. This is my argument, the Kriss being overpowered because it removes the need to control recoil and to aim.
In the event of a close quarters situation of players with the same skill, I find it unlikely the shotgun would be the one to miss the most. Yes, the Kriss has low recoil and tight accuracy, but in a close quarters situation that can also be a problem. If a Kriss wielder were to get in close and personal, their shots are focused on a general area. Meaning they are forced to aim at sharp reactions in order for their shots to land properly.
Tight accuracy in CQC is very rare since you can't aim as well and focus, especially when someone with a shotgun is coming to blow one's brains out. If the person with the shotty were to effectively dodge or even tank, the advantage of the shotgun is the powerful shell's spready make it very hard for submachine gun user's to pull the same tactic. Hence why submachine guns excel at medium range as there's enough distance between them and the target to utilize their full advantages. -
@ Jafrikan > Did I said you hack? I don't think so. I said that you cheat, using an unbalanced weapon. Again, nice try. Are you out of arguments yet?
This isnt even an argument. Your not even willing to consider my view. That, and you donrt own the weapon, so until you do, you willl never really know how weak or un "OP" the gun is.The halloween Kriss is the worse
AHAHAHAHAAA
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DoctorKelso wrote: »Since when does majority make something right? 99% of the BR population thinks SL/M12 is ok too.
Since when is the competitive way of playing the "right" way? TELL ME? SINCE WHEN??? -
this game sucks ballz in terms of realism.
the m12s --- old weapon (The Beretta Model 12 is a 9×19mm Parabellum caliber submachine gun designed by Beretta. It was introduced in 1959 and entered service with the Italian Army the same year. )
the kriss super V --- new weapon (Kriss Super V™ submachine gun is an interesting experimental weapon which is currently (spring 2007) under advanced stages of development.)
And if you are wondering about bullet size:
m12s (9 mm) -->
kriss super V (the one in the middle .45 ACP) -->
SO WHICH ONE IS BETTER AND MORE POWERFULL????????????
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wow this is still alive?
(Yes I Own One)the kriss is not OP, the best thing the kriss has is its speed,low recoil, and the fact that its in a ZP create. yes there was a time when the kriss had somewhat good power behind its bullets, but it was nerfed. -
[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »In the event of a close quarters situation of players with the same skill, I find it unlikely the shotgun would be the one to miss the most. Yes, the Kriss has low recoil and tight accuracy, but in a close quarters situation that can also be a problem. If a Kriss wielder were to get in close and personal, their shots are focused on a general area. Meaning they are forced to aim at sharp reactions in order for their shots to land properly.
Tight accuracy in CQC is very rare since you can't aim as well and focus, especially when someone with a shotgun is coming to blow one's brains out. If the person with the shotty were to effectively dodge or even tank, the advantage of the shotgun is the powerful shell's spready make it very hard for submachine gun user's to pull the same tactic. Hence why submachine guns excel at medium range as there's enough distance between them and the target to utilize their full advantages.
The situation you're speaking about here is a situation when you're not closer than 5 - 10 m to the targets. The only map on wich that happens on a regualar basis is egypt, even than, if you manage to go past the grenade barrier. Point blank, a shotgun will kill in one shot, of course. The problem is, point blank is rare. While kriss will be overpowered at pointblank, CQC and Med ranges.RawrJafrikan wrote: »This isnt even an argument. Your not even willing to consider my view. That, and you donrt own the weapon, so until you do, you willl never really know how weak or un "OP" the gun is.
AHAHAHAHAAA
TROLOLLOLOLOL
Since when is the competitive way of playing the "right" way? TELL ME? SINCE WHEN???
I've been playing on an account with a Kriss for 5 months, so thanks, I do know. Sorry, I'm not interested in cheating and buying a cheat gun with my own money just so I can use overpowered guns against normal people. Of course, your suggestion is not to be taken in consideration, unless you would revisit it completely. Adding weight, reducing ROF and adding reload time shall be enough to balance out a 1hs capacity wich a kriss would have. Without it, you just want a noobgun. Go get your M12. -
The situation you're speaking about here is a situation when you're not closer than 5 - 10 m to the targets. The only map on wich that happens on a regualar basis is egypt, even than, if you manage to go past the grenade barrier. Point blank, a shotgun will kill in one shot, of course. The problem is, point blank is rare. While kriss will be overpowered at pointblank, CQC and Med ranges.
I guess at this point its what one determines to be close combat versus medium or long range. Which does shift which weapon is favoured accordingly. Which of course would require testing, opinions and consistent and unbiased experiments. Because while I agree with the Kriss' accuracy for an SMG being quite top notch, I still think in many situations its not one that could be considered a notable threat compared to the situations it's presented in. Since its all about circumstance like most guns, there's only a few guns that don't obey this rule and the m12 is one, but I believe the Kriss has enough notable weaknesses to make it a good weapon in the right hands like any other. -
Than let's get out there and test it, both of us. I believe if both of us make the test, it will be pretty much unbiased (if we come to have a common oppinion on those tests).[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »I guess at this point its what one determines to be close combat versus medium or long range. Which does shift which weapon is favoured accordingly. Which of course would require testing, opinions and consistent and unbiased experiments. Because while I agree with the Kriss' accuracy for an SMG being quite top notch, I still think in many situations its not one that could be considered a notable threat compared to the situations it's presented in. Since its all about circumstance like most guns, there's only a few guns that don't obey this rule and the m12 is one, but I believe the Kriss has enough notable weaknesses to make it a good weapon in the right hands like any other. -
Than let's get out there and test it, both of us. I believe if both of us make the test, it will be pretty much unbiased (if we come to have a common oppinion on those tests).
I don't own a Kriss unfortunately all I got is the shotty, so unless you got one we need a 3rd party or something. But I would definitely love to set up a time for this, I'm sure some would be curious. ^..^ Even if it turns out I'm wrong it would be good information. -
I'll profit to kick you too. (Okay this was overboard, sorry ... Couldn't hold it.)RawrJafrikan wrote: »Ill join just to drop my kriss.
Im telling you though, the thing is weak.
@ Talon > Got anything to record with? Would be nice to make a video out of it, so the question is never asked anymore. -
I'll profit to kick you too. (Okay this was overboard, sorry ... Couldn't hold it.)
@ Talon > Got anything to record with? Would be nice to make a video out of it, so the question is never asked anymore.
I love how you made this personal. I literally fell out of my chair laughing. -
I'll profit to kick you too. (Okay this was overboard, sorry ... Couldn't hold it.)
@ Talon > Got anything to record with? Would be nice to make a video out of it, so the question is never asked anymore.
I got fraps, which should be good enough I suppose, or even resorting to Xfire if we REALLY have to. The only time this question would probably get asked is if there's nerfs or buffs involved. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »I love how you made this personal. I literally fell out of my chair laughing.
That was the point, if you haven't noticed. Sarcasm is a wonderful thing, now isn't it. Just because you're a bad person doesn't means that laughing is prohibited.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »I got fraps, which should be good enough I suppose, or even resorting to Xfire if we REALLY have to. The only time this question would probably get asked is if there's nerfs or buffs involved.
Allrighty. I'll get in game to find you than. -
That was the point, if you haven't noticed. Sarcasm is a wonderful thing, now isn't it. Just because you're a bad person doesn't means that laughing is prohibited.
Allrighty. I'll get in game to find you than.
Well I'm about to head to dinner, but I got all weekend free for this sort of task, shoot me a PM for proper times for you both and I would be happy to try and do so. -
I'll be seeking help from a clanmate than. I'll keep a video or two.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Well I'm about to head to dinner, but I got all weekend free for this sort of task, shoot me a PM for proper times for you both and I would be happy to try and do so. -
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You're such an idiot. Obviously, you don't have the kriss and are very jealous.
You don't know what it's like, it's very frustrating to see a weapon I spent money on go to trash, and be worse than a free gun. What Z8 did was unfair.
The kriss is so weak it's not even a one hit headshot! Come ON Z8!!!! WHY would you make a ZP crate SMG not a one hit HS???
They nerfed the kriss so much that now, the M12 is better. Is that fair? IT's a GP gun, not even a crate!
Kriss needs to be again a one hit kill.....
And you are a stupidhead.
The problem is, the kriss is underpowered. Even if it was a GP gun, it's underpowered. 4-6 hit kill, increased recoil than when it was released, not even a one hit HS. That's not fair. I'm not saying to make it a one hit kill to the chest or anything (you're a tar.d). They just need to make it like it was before.
I don't own it.. But I have used it.
And to be honest it ALREADY IS A NOOB CANNON!!(if you don't spam and AIM)
Idiot.
Nuff said.
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