A little input - Please
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Why would you close this? You want input and when you dont like what you are seeing you close it? yes there is some raging here but a lot of this is exactly how it is.If you do not want to read it then you are just not interested.You cannot ask for input and then at the first hurdle close it.It is the truth.THAT is what this is about. REAL input.Take it on board and do not kick it in the can.This thread needs to stay open.All threads go off topic somewhat.It can be pulled back on course. A lot of stuff here is fact and needs to be out there .If you Really want to help then you need to read how it is. Do not shut the door because someone lost the plot a bit. That is defeatism.
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I do hope you see the difference in what we can do about ESLs anticheat "looking like its been made by a 4th grader", "******ed cesspool of a community" and things like "The bug where moving up ladders is slow unless you cap your FPS has been around for years and should be fixed", or payment speed.Why would you close this? You want input and when you dont like what you are seeing you close it? yes there is some raging here but a lot of this is exactly how it is.If you do not want to read it then you are just not interested.You cannot ask for input and then at the first hurdle close it.It is the truth.THAT is what this is about. REAL input.Take it on board and do not kick it in the can.This thread needs to stay open.All threads go off topic somewhat.It can be pulled back on course. A lot of stuff here is fact and needs to be out there .If you Really want to help then you need to read how it is. Do not shut the door because someone lost the plot a bit. That is defeatism.
Nevermind, I'm not here to censor. I only meant that rule violations weren't far off, and you people aren't used to being moderated, and those in themselves do not help, even if the anger certainly is understandable. -
I do hope you see the difference in what we can do about ESLs anticheat "looking like its been made by a 4th grader", "******ed cesspool of a community" and things like "The bug where moving up ladders is slow unless you cap your FPS has been around for years and should be fixed", or payment speed.
Nevermind, I'm not here to censor. I only meant that rule violations weren't far off, and you people aren't used to being moderated, and those in themselves do not help, even if the anger certainly is understandable.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I'm going to be fairly forward and skip straight to the point. I know Cross Fire seems very inactive. We all see it. I see a lot of threads on talking about the game being dead. I see a lot of very negative discussions about the competitive scene, or lack thereof.
Is there any draw to compete in events here? Is there something we're missing? What can we do? Trust me, I know we (as a League) have made our fair share of mistakes and I know that doesn't help at all. No need to preach to me about that.
Are the events being run seem stale? Are teams just tired of playing? Just lay it all out here guys. I'm in a very large brainstorming phase, trying to figure out what I can do to at least have some resemblance of a scene.
Skip the obvious --- Game seems dead, Hackers (duh), other games (CS:GO, duh), etc.
Focus on this game only.
Help me help you. Please. Discuss. New event ideas, off the wall ideas, suggestions, anything.
So what about my suggestion?
Special items only obtainable by scrimming in the competitive channel. -
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Set up your damn anticheat so we can scrim on client.
More events (pugs / one-day-tournaments), and give away Cash (25 or 50 for first) ZP / GP / Unique Namecard codes. Heavily advertise these to the pub community, make them interested.
Similarly, have give aways for every single stream, and stream more than once a week. Do player interviews, tips and tricks, shoutcasting scrims on client. Reach out to other CF communities for viewers, but moderate the chat for English speakers. Drel had hundreds of virwers consistently, just because someone posted his twitch on the CFBR forums.
Start uploading these streams / matches (or highlights of them) to Youtube. Heavily advertise the youtube channel.
I know a player that is still owed ZP from mid-2013. Don't tell me "we can't help payment times" -
I do hope you see the difference in what we can do about ESLs anticheat "looking like its been made by a 4th grader", "******ed cesspool of a community" and things like "The bug where moving up ladders is slow unless you cap your FPS has been around for years and should be fixed", or payment speed.
Nevermind, I'm not here to censor. I only meant that rule violations weren't far off, and you people aren't used to being moderated, and those in themselves do not help, even if the anger certainly is understandable.
Lol there you go again with the pacifist remarks. Read over my comment again as your facts are wrong when my comment is only 3 post upwards... Even things as simple as deriving information from posts come to falter with you all, how do you expect to contribute to a league, let alone the community as a whole?? You "mods" are sadly inept and preach our incompatibility to be moderated when everything stems from the "upper" ladder. How is it that on wogl years the community was triple or greater in population and they managed to get everything right? Now in this age youre left with the oldest of players who have stuck around to see through with the success of the scene in this game and a minimal surplus of a newer place who are intent in competing in whatever garbage league comes around, yet you say we are unable to be moderated? Seems like a cheap ticket to take your leave.
Let me elaborate:
-cheaters in a room-> public reports it->mod bans
-someone breaks the rules in a league->player reports it->mod takes RESPONSIBLE AND UNBIASED ACTION
-glitch is found->player reports it->mod report to ladder
It all comes down to a mod and the problems are literally infront of your face every time you turn this sorry excuse of a compeitve fps on, yet, you come to a board in seek of some magical answer.
Hahahahaha you guys have been doing it wrong since 2011
Rip LL pugs
Rip lpk
Rip wogl
Rip all the OG's
Edit: Im sure your new and innovative "clan base system" will attract a greaaaatt amount of Brazilians and Egyptians to keep you guys in business, LOL! -
-cheaters in a room-> public reports it->mod bans
-someone breaks the rules in a league->player reports it->mod takes RESPONSIBLE AND UNBIASED ACTION
-glitch is found->player reports it->mod report to ladder
You'd think that moderators would actually moderate the game. Guess it's too much to ask. -
I haven't played in awhile but the struggle was usually people being uneducated and/or unaware of the certain events going on. I never used the Z8 Forums or any other forum (WOGL, etc.) for a long time - I just logged on and scrimmed with the competitive team I found.
Also. It's about time prizes were bumped up. It's been way over due for a good prize pool, the only GOOD prizes I've ever seen was probably WOGL (500$ WEM #LPK#DoopIsLegendary) and FG LAN. Last time I was playing I heard ESL wasn't paying or something.. but I could be wrong.
Once I get my computer back I'll probably download the game again and maybe go competitive.. If I see anything worthwhile. People work and grew up, stupid as it is our community use to be made up of little kids and teenagers with the odd mature person. (Lolocaust sounding like the Terminator...)
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I swear if I hear another "ADVERTISE THE GAME HURRDURR" ill spray you down irl.
Why would you want to advertise such a ****ty game?
This version is by far the most outdated, neglected, etc. version of them all. This game is on par with ****ing soldier front 1 LOL? (Not even, sf1 has better leagues, community, prizes, and so forth)
"JOIN CROSSFIRE NOW AND PARTICIPATE IN HACKING THE WORLDS WORST SCRIPTED GAME" seems like a fitting pitch! -
I swear if I hear another "ADVERTISE THE GAME HURRDURR" ill spray you down irl.
Why would you want to advertise such a ****ty game?
This version is by far the most outdated, neglected, etc. version of them all. This game is on par with ****ing soldier front 1 LOL? (Not even, sf1 has better leagues, community, prizes, and so forth)
"JOIN CROSSFIRE NOW AND PARTICIPATE IN HACKING THE WORLDS WORST SCRIPTED GAME" seems like a fitting pitch!
We advertise this game because despite what you think, many people still play it. Many people still find it enjoyable, and we hope to continue that.
All versions of CrossFire are outdated in comparison to China, so yes, in that sense it is. It has also been neglected from a community stand point, so you are right about that. I have not been with the community for very long, nor have I been giving enough time to them. That falls squarely on my shoulders, and not on the community's.
We are trying to get better leagues, and that starts with rebuilding the community. Trashing the people here, or the ones trying to make a difference doesn't help anyone.
As for hacking, I don't know if you have noticed, but I have been playing the game since our November 18 update to our hacking tools and I have definitely seen a huge decline in hacking activity. I played Egypt for an hour today and didn't have to kick one person. This doesn't mean that hacking has gone away. I'm sure they will catch up again. But we are taking steps to improve the game for everyone.
Also, threats of violence on our forums is definitely against our Rules of Conduct:- Do not make any posts which support any illegal activities (standards based on US/CAN/UK Law).
- Do not make posts in which the sole purpose of the post is to provoke, flame, or otherwise illicit a negative response from another user.
- Do not use implied profanity to illicit or provoke a negative response from other users or organizations. Ex: Typing "**** off" is no different than if you actually typed the swear word or not. They are both liable for moderation.
So, if any MOD would like to moderate this person's account, you are more then welcome to do so.
P.S. I can see your last login date. So stop pretending like you don't play. -
I swear if I hear another "ADVERTISE THE GAME HURRDURR" ill spray you down irl.
Why would you want to advertise such a ****ty game?
This version is by far the most outdated, neglected, etc. version of them all. This game is on par with ****ing soldier front 1 LOL? (Not even, sf1 has better leagues, community, prizes, and so forth)
"JOIN CROSSFIRE NOW AND PARTICIPATE IN HACKING THE WORLDS WORST SCRIPTED GAME" seems like a fitting pitch![GM]Juicebox wrote: »P.S. I can see your last login date. So stop pretending like you don't play.
This made my night. I actually LOL'd. Before I get infracted for something cuz this is off-topic... Let's be nice everybody! Time for sleep now, night! -
[GM]Juicebox wrote: »We advertise this game because despite what you think, many people still play it. Many people still find it enjoyable, and we hope to continue that.
All versions of CrossFire are outdated in comparison to China, so yes, in that sense it is. It has also been neglected from a community stand point, so you are right about that. I have not been with the community for very long, nor have I been giving enough time to them. That falls squarely on my shoulders, and not on the communities'.
We are trying to get better leagues, and that starts with rebuilding the community. Trashing the people here, or the ones trying to make a difference doesn't help anyone.
As for hacking, I don't know if you have noticed, but I have been playing the game since our November 18 update to our hacking tools and I have definitely seen a huge decline in hacking activity. I played Egypt for an hour today and didn't have to kick one person. This doesn't mean that hacking has gone away. I'm sure they will catch up again. But we are taking steps to improve the game for everyone.
Also, threats of violence on our forums is definitely against our Rules of Conduct:- Do not make any posts which support any illegal activities (standards based on US/CAN/UK Law).
- Do not make posts in which the sole purpose of the post is to provoke, flame, or otherwise illicit a negative response from another user.
- Do not use implied profanity to illicit or provoke a negative response from other users or organizations. Ex: Typing "**** off" is no different than if you actually typed the swear word or not. They are both liable for moderation.
So, if any MOD would like to moderate this person's account, you are more then welcome to do so.
P.S. I can see your last login date. So stop pretending like you don't play.
It's funny how absolutely clueless you are. We've had multiple people who played in international events say that the spanish, brazilian, and EU version are better than NA. (I've played them and I agree with them). He's obviously not talking about useless zp guns which is what you thought he was talking about.
Servers are trash. I've been getting ridiculous high pings recently. Not to mention, the game is very laggy for people from NJ/NY area during the day.
1. get better servers
2. use the version of the game that EU/BR cf uses.
I've played non-stop for about 6 months now. EVERY time there was a patch, there was just as many cheaters playing as before the patch. I haven't pubbed since the last patch but in the past game was COMPLETELY hack-free for 2-3 month on a few occasions so it's obviously very possible to get rid of cheaters.
solution:
1. Fix your ****ing hacking situation. For the past 6 months, it was literally IMPOSSIBLE to pub. I wouldn't exaggerate if I said that 14/15 rooms had someone sitting spawn, killing everyone through walls. FOR SIX STRAIGHT MONTHS.
Then, we can think about anything else. If the cheater situation won't get fixed thus no new players are going to try the game, revival of the game is simply pointless. -
It's funny how absolutely clueless you are. We've had multiple people who played in international events say that the spanish, brazilian, and EU version are better than NA. (I've played them and I agree with them). He's obviously not talking about useless zp guns which is what you thought he was talking about.
Servers are trash. I've been getting ridiculous high pings recently. Not to mention, the game is very laggy for people from NJ/NY area during the day.
1. get better servers
2. use the version of the game that EU/BR cf uses.
I've played non-stop for about 6 months now. EVERY time there was a patch, there was just as many cheaters playing as before the patch. I haven't pubbed since the last patch but in the past game was COMPLETELY hack-free for 2-3 month on a few occasions so it's obviously very possible to get rid of cheaters.
solution:
1. Fix your ****ing hacking situation. For the past 6 months, it was literally IMPOSSIBLE to pub. I wouldn't exaggerate if I said that 14/15 rooms had someone sitting spawn, killing everyone through walls. FOR SIX STRAIGHT MONTHS.
Then, we can think about anything else. If the cheater situation won't get fixed thus no new players are going to try the game, revival of the game is simply pointless.
Yes. I know he wasn't talking about useless ZP guns and I also said that he was right. I also said that I have definitely neglected the CrossFire community. That is also why I am clueless.
I'm absolutely brand new to the competitive scene. This year, CFS was barely able to get off the ground because I had no clue what I was doing. Everything was rushed that day, from what our GMs had to do, to what the players experienced, to what our broadcasters in the NESL studio went through.
The last 6 months have been absolutely terrible. It was incredibly frustrating to sit there and watch hackers take over the game. I have to admit that a lot of it was because we, as a company, dropped the ball on more than a few occasions. I truly think that we've started to pick it up again, but we have a long way to go. Recently, we just introduced 2 new anti-hack tools. One is client side, and other is server side. From what I have seen in game, it seems to have had a positive effect, but the last 6 months have taught me that we can't take that for granted, and we need to keep pushing to get things better.
You are absolutely correct, the most important thing for this game is to get hacking under control. After that, we can start rebuilding. A huge part of that rebuilding is the competitive scene. ESG has a great anti-cheat that is incredibly reliable. What we are doing right now as a company to try to revive that scene is exploring things that we haven't tried before. Polleus, Purvis, Zzxq, Iceman, Odeeb and myself are part of a Skype chat that is constantly talking about how to revive the competitive scene. I'm mostly there as a paper-weight, but the rest are awesome.
Community exposure is another thing that we are trying to do. Right now, our competitive players remain in the shadows of the game. They aren't recognized when they should be. They're the ones that are leading this game, and everyone should know who they are. -
[GM]Juicebox wrote: »We advertise this game because despite what you think, many people still play it. Many people still find it enjoyable, and we hope to continue that.
All versions of CrossFire are outdated in comparison to China, so yes, in that sense it is. It has also been neglected from a community stand point, so you are right about that. I have not been with the community for very long, nor have I been giving enough time to them. That falls squarely on my shoulders, and not on the community's.
We are trying to get better leagues, and that starts with rebuilding the community. Trashing the people here, or the ones trying to make a difference doesn't help anyone.
As for hacking, I don't know if you have noticed, but I have been playing the game since our November 18 update to our hacking tools and I have definitely seen a huge decline in hacking activity. I played Egypt for an hour today and didn't have to kick one person. This doesn't mean that hacking has gone away. I'm sure they will catch up again. But we are taking steps to improve the game for everyone.
Also, threats of violence on our forums is definitely against our Rules of Conduct:- Do not make any posts which support any illegal activities (standards based on US/CAN/UK Law).
- Do not make posts in which the sole purpose of the post is to provoke, flame, or otherwise illicit a negative response from another user.
- Do not use implied profanity to illicit or provoke a negative response from other users or organizations. Ex: Typing "**** off" is no different than if you actually typed the swear word or not. They are both liable for moderation.
So, if any MOD would like to moderate this person's account, you are more then welcome to do so.
P.S. I can see your last login date. So stop pretending like you don't play.
Oh my MOD UP BOYYSS, im reaallllyy gonna regret getting a ban on this forum lmaooo! Like thats stipped people from posting ****ographic threads all over the board? It definitely gonna stop me from expressin my rage from playing this game for 2 years and every patch, witnessing a decline in performance, hahahahaha.
I got on once last week to throw down with my team for a couple scrims, if I didnt play the game id have no room to talk about this topic. You and your band of extra chromosome 21 downie mods have been around since 2009 and you guys STILL dont know whats wrong with the scene. Dont worry X-Crap will undoubtedly faulter to "BRBRBREHUEHUEHACKS4free.com" in the coming week, you guys have done nothing credible in the past 2 years of my experience aside from introducing "CFS guns". Like you said with this situation- "were taking steps of improvement", dont be daft, in this particular case you guys gave the quote "one step forward.. Two steps back" a whole new meaning. I mean you guys toss out an update and break the games sound for 3 days LOL *slow clap*
I dont think youve read my pist adequently enough to derive that your theory in fixing this community will, in turn, present us with better leagues...? We've had a great back and forth with instinct leading up to CFS in ESL cups as well as ESG battle grounds... HAS A SINGLE LEAGUE CONTACTED US ABOUT OUR PRIZE MONEY? Noooooooooppppppeeee, every other team is in the same situation. How can you try to fix a community when you dot even have the tools or minimal IQ to diagnose this community.
Yall need to be happy with how the scene is or move on. Myself, I am not keen on competing in any more events as it is a waste of my time and the companies involved are a hoax and an even bigger scam than runescape power leveling sites.
To conclude, stay in school kids.. Or youll become a z8 "mod" hahaha -
I dont think youve read my pist adequently enough to derive that your theory in fixing this community will, in turn, present us with better leagues...? We've had a great back and forth with instinct leading up to CFS in ESL cups as well as ESG battle grounds... HAS A SINGLE LEAGUE CONTACTED US ABOUT OUR PRIZE MONEY? Noooooooooppppppeeee, every other team is in the same situation. How can you try to fix a community when you dot even have the tools or minimal IQ to diagnose this community.
To conclude, stay in school kids.. Or youll become a z8 "mod" hahaha
I actually sent you a message via PM last night about your prize money from the ESG summer series. We will be sending that to all the winners. Congratulations by the way on you and your team's second place finish. -
[GM]Juicebox wrote: »I actually sent you a message via PM last night about your prize money from the ESG summer series. We will be sending that to all the winners. Congratulations by the way on you and your team's second place finish.
props on the mature response
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Woah woah woah, let's calm down and talk about a few things.Basic ****
JuiceBox, hello. Thank you for taking a vested interest in expanding and improving the competitive scene. I know that, in part, it's your job. However, without you guys working for us and with us, there would be no prizes. No ESL cups weekly, no ESG prize pools, no CrossFire Stars or WCG for the years that held it.
So I want to take this time to, foremost, thank you. I know a transitional period into anything -- whether that is a new home, a new job, or a new community -- is a rough one. However, please realize that the community as a whole does appreciate what you do. Please don't let the negativity from a few dissuade you; your efforts are noticed. I would argue that the majority of the people I speak with in the competitive scene are more understanding than the incredibly loud few (in particular bounce_FM and tvpx).
That out of the way, both PimpDemNikes and Mackavelli (I think that's Bounce_FM) bring up some good points.
Let's address some of the primary concerns people and players have with this game before we move on to theirs.
"Peek advantage"
"Bad reg"
"Ping increases"Peek Advantage wrote:"Peek advantage" is not a broken mechanic. In fact, any amount of peek advantage a player gets over you, you get the exact same amount over them. There is no situation in which, if you peek them, you get less advantage than if they just peeked you. Let's say you have 50 ping, and you peek Brando (who has 100 ping). You peek out on your screen, and see him. 50 milliseconds later, the server finds out that you peeked out. 100 milliseconds after that, Brando finds out that you peeked him. However, you have seen him (on your screen) for 150 milliseconds.
Now let's switch the situation.
Brando peeks you. 100 milliseconds later, the server finds out that he peeked out. 50 milliseconds later, the server tells you that he has peeked out. He has seen you (on his screen)...for 150 milliseconds.
Peek advantage is a mechanic; nothing more. It's not something they can "patch", or "fix"; it's the result of a client-sided game. It's something that every player in the game has access to, and therefore is something that is inherently fair.Bad Reg wrote:When you shoot someone, see blood, but you die instead, that is not because the "game is bad". That is simply due to the mechanic of peek advantage. You, on your screen, shot them; however, the server found out that they shot you before it found out that you shot them. What this means is, simply put, that you needed to aim faster.
Now, when it comes to "air reg", this is a different situation. The air registry in this game is an inherent flaw in the game's code. After a player reaches their falling speed (you don't accelerate instantly to full speed when you're falling), they become next to impossible to hit. Why? Simply put, the server is "told" by them that they're in a different place than when you see them. This is why players such as Ace Gaming (or other low-ping players) can easily kill you out of the air. There is less of a time delay between them and the server, so the server reads their bullets before it reads the movement of the other players.
The third issue is during "ping spikes". Ping spikes in other games are a complete disadvantage. In CrossFire, ping spikes make the game random. Because, you are able to be hit (and able to do damage) at random times rather than consistently. This is another flaw.
The fourth issue is a hitbox glitch. When you hit two headshot hitboxes quickly (within a certain amount of frames, presumably) with head armor, the second bullet will never register. This is because the hitbox is "frozen", as it removes the head armor. This is also why armored opponents take more than the single extra bullet to kill.
The fifth issue is not an issue; the fifth issue is "neckshotting". When you headshot someone and do 27, you did not headshot them. There is a hitbox on the character model (Denxi has a video of it on youtube somewhere) which should be a headshot. It's the side of their chin or something. When you hit it with an m4...it deals 27. However, neckshotting is not random. Hitting the top part of someone's head will always register as a headshot. Stop complaining about neckshots, and get good.
However, these flaws are not something that z8games can fix. They cannot lobby SmileGate to completely change the code of the game. This is a reason that armor should not be allowed, but is not a reason to rage at the staff.The servers haven't moved. When they patch and your ping changes, it's simply because they reallocate their resources, so it processes some locations differently than others. Certain players' ping goes down, others goes up. It sucks when yours goes up, and it's awesome when yours goes down. Deal with it.
As for "omg other versions are better"...you're just feeling the placebo effect. There is absolutely 0 evidence to support the idea that -- other than the Asian versions -- our game is worse than the others. I have heard everything from "they don't have mouse accel" (yes, they do, you idiots) to "they reg better" (no, they don't, you idiots) to "our AK is different QQ" (it might be, I have no idea, but I've yet to see any evidence other than people saying it "feels" different).
Now that we have the main source of annoyance with the actual gameplay out of the way...Cheaters and Community Growth
This game has been declining in the North American version. And, in large part that has been due to the cheaters. I pub this game an average of 30~ish minutes a day, and there was a period of 3 months where that was simply impossible. Then a patch would come through, a week of cheater-free Egypt TDMs would be around, and then...well, back to square one.
That said, it seems to me that this November, the sheer number of cheaters has diminished. That will undoubtedly bring back on some level the competitive element, and certainly the pub element.
However, you're right, Juicebox. There simply isn't any recognition or drive for most people to compete. I've placed 2nd and 3rd in back-to-back CFS qualifiers, yet I get kicked from every single pub I join. The majority of people don't watch the monthly finals, and certainly don't care or follow who / what the teams are.
I jokingly made an alternate account in the pub clan "Escape Artist". There were several of them interested in joining the competitive scene. They simply couldn't get a foothold. No competitive player wants to play with a lesser team; they want to win the big bucks.
So, I think the "checklist" for what you need to do is as follows:Checklist wrote:a. Find a reliable, consistent, quick payment method both for ZP-prizes and cash-prizes. I know that it is not your fault, but every single Z8games-partnered event has had issues with payment. Fly Society had to wait upward of 8 months for their checks to come through. Put more pressure on your billing department to handle these things. It does nothing but hurt your credibility with the competitive community to have to say "We don't know..." when it comes to money.
b. Do not allow teams to disband. I cannot stress this enough. After a player competes in an event with a team, add a 3-week ban onto the end of that player leaving the team (for both ESL and ESG, collaborate on this). It is utterly disgusting the sheer number of people who team-swap for ESL, or in general. Force people to play together. Who cares that it's a small community? Get a core of teams dedicated to each other, and build off of that. The fact that almost every single week, entirely different rosters play for ESL is just pathetic.
c. Separate ALL events into two tiers. There are not very many active teams, so make it the top 4, and everyone else. The top 3 teams remain after each event, and the team which lost is relegated back to the "open" section. This allows for the teams at the top to get consistent, good practice against other top teams (preparing for the qualifiers), while allowing for a far more competitive scene at the lower element. Many teams have no plan of winning events, simply because Carbon and Instinct are in the bracket. For CrossFire Stars, keep the top 4 as automatically qualified, then host an open tournament and pull 4 teams from there.
d. Advertise the competitive streams, events, everything. Why is competitive LoL so popular? It's not because Riot pumps millions into prizes. Prizes are secondary to the competitive appeal. They drill it into people's heads that the events are going on. Get on twitter, get on facebook, it takes 5 minutes a day to post "Check out our competitive stream this evening, team Carbon taking on team Welfare! ZP and GP code giveaways in the stream chat!" on facebook and twitter. How you grow a competitive scene is to get sponsors interested in partnering with it. I'm a long-time member of the Smash Bros. competitive scene, and believe me when I say that consistent, high volume of stream viewers is everything. Players such as Head, Blitzed, xfam0usx, Purvis, and ZZXQ are more than willing to help the game. Let them cast, stream, advertise them on the regular streaming channels. Provide a hub (in-game? in the startup g4_box.exe window?) where people can very quickly see what is going on. Integration is everything.
e. Which brings me to my next point. Stream! Tips, matches, casted scrims, everything. Make it so when a CrossFire player gets tired of playing, or wants to take a break, he turns on twitch.tv/______ to watch something. LoL does this with game-observation. So many people I know say "I'm about to play some more, just watching this ranked game first." Obviously you can't be streaming 24/7, but you need to make it happen more than once for one match on a Sunday. Have a schedule. "Tuesday, we'll have Ace Gaming's Blitzed going over the map of Port, showing tips and tricks. Then Friday, we have a casted match between ___ and ___, with the ESL tournament casted on Sunday." Streaming one match a week (for ESL finals) and then wondering why competitive players don't have exposure to the whole game is just silly.
f. Which also brings me to my next point. Giveaways! No offense, but you can do much better than GP codes or 30-day glock codes. Special name-cards (even temp ones), VIPs for ___ days, GP, even small amounts of BP or ZP. Hell, you could spend a little of REAL money (instead of giving away a digital code) and give away a cool CrossFire mousepad / Mouse / headphones to someone in North America for larger events. Step your game up.
I typed this while also typing a paper, so I apologize if I missed anything. -
[GM]Juicebox wrote: »Yes. I know he wasn't talking about useless ZP guns and I also said that he was right. I also said that I have definitely neglected the CrossFire community. That is also why I am clueless.
I'm absolutely brand new to the competitive scene. This year, CFS was barely able to get off the ground because I had no clue what I was doing. Everything was rushed that day, from what our GMs had to do, to what the players experienced, to what our broadcasters in the NESL studio went through.
The last 6 months have been absolutely terrible. It was incredibly frustrating to sit there and watch hackers take over the game. I have to admit that a lot of it was because we, as a company, dropped the ball on more than a few occasions. I truly think that we've started to pick it up again, but we have a long way to go. Recently, we just introduced 2 new anti-hack tools. One is client side, and other is server side. From what I have seen in game, it seems to have had a positive effect, but the last 6 months have taught me that we can't take that for granted, and we need to keep pushing to get things better.
You are absolutely correct, the most important thing for this game is to get hacking under control. After that, we can start rebuilding. A huge part of that rebuilding is the competitive scene. ESG has a great anti-cheat that is incredibly reliable. What we are doing right now as a company to try to revive that scene is exploring things that we haven't tried before. Polleus, Purvis, Zzxq, Iceman, Odeeb and myself are part of a Skype chat that is constantly talking about how to revive the competitive scene. I'm mostly there as a paper-weight, but the rest are awesome.
Community exposure is another thing that we are trying to do. Right now, our competitive players remain in the shadows of the game. They aren't recognized when they should be. They're the ones that are leading this game, and everyone should know who they are.
You might be new here. But I'm not. I ran the first successful cf league. Made the ruleset that is currently followed by all leagues. And was until this past year, an advisor for most leagues. So after that, let me start out with probably the only thing I might say on this matter. You are literally the dumbest game manager I've ever come across. After I had ripped Saiden in a post (last year?) I never thought I'd meet someone dumber. It saddens me that the Canadian education system is this lacking.
Stop with all these bull**** excuses. I've heard it for years in this game. "Were rebuilding the community" "Were going to get better leagues" "were going to stop hacks" "Were going to start lans". It's all bull****, its the same crap thats been spewed for years by you people.
You talk about change all the time, but nothing ever happens except a new ZP LIMITED EDITION AK47HOLOSCOPEYOLO420REDTIGER skin comes out. For years issues have plauged this game that have never been acknowledged or fixed by z8. (Except for one post by Saiden on the matter) This long assed list includues the 125hz issue, the ladder fps bug, insane server lag, insanely awful air reg and reg in general, insanely awful interp, and thats just the tip of the iceberg with this game. You continue to talk of change, yet I've never seen any.
Hell the "competitive" tab still shows "Wem coverage" and those awful "official tournaments" that happened what 4 years ago? The photo page doesn't even load anymore. It would take me literally 25 minutes to fix that tab. Seriously give me the admin password for the website and I will fix that tab for you for free within 25 minutes. You are a complete disgrace, you had 6 months to do these things. Don't give me this crap about you being new. I've done research articles for psychological research in way less time then you've had to fix a damned tab on a website.[GM]Juicebox wrote: »Bravo server was renamed to NA2.
You may actually be Forrest Gump's lower IQed brother.
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