The Reason Why I Think Z8 Blocks Odd Words
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Nice thinking there "NeoSpectrum"
although it might seem pointless, Z8 must do something... So that they would say that they tried!!!
About the "Noob" thing: I think it was us (Forumers) who made it very Clear that we H8 this Word... Cuz ppl are saying it at everything
So I would like to be grateful and say: Z8, Thanks for reading our Complains and trying to solve it (even if U couldn't come up with a better Idea) -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I won the AWM Red Dragon in 4 crates. I didn't win the M4-Custom until I purchased it with coupons. I won the XM8 Adv in 8 crates, I didn't win the AK-Camo until I purchased it with coupons. It is completely random, it is not fixed to a point to where you never win. Calling a completely random system a fixed-scheme to get your money is ridiculous. Also blaming a company for not winning, where YOU made the decision to play, is also ridiculous.
Business practice. Why would I put something out permanent if I'm not entirely certain it's going to sell the way I'd like it to? Putting it in Temporary ZP is like a test, to show whether or not it's worth putting out permanently. Use common sense. There are plenty of ZP crates to win permanent weapons are there not? GP crates also have permanent weapons. What are you complaining about? Ridiculous.
Computers cannot generate 100% random numbers, but like it makes much of a difference though. Anyways, this is a scheme, it may not be a fixed scheme, but it's still a scheme. We all know how every company wants to make money, but Z8's scheme is the worst I've seen.
I rarely see anyone using temp ZP weapons, and I know that I would only buy it for 7 days at most just to try it out. There's something I don't like about paying around $2 CAD just to "own" a weapon for 7 days. I do agree on how putting it out in temp ZP can be a test though (temp dual uzis and perm dual uzis pink). And common sense is not so common.
I would prefer it if you wouldn't attack anyone who has different views than you, even if in your eyes, they are wrong. In my opinion, use common sense, and ridiculous, are means of putting other people down. -
The OP directed his opinions in a harsh manner towards a company he has no 100% factual knowledge on how it works. I didn't attack him, I simply responded in the same manner that he asked for when posting in that way. I don't sugar coat things.
Business is business. They put the items out there for you to take a chance and win. Some people have won in 10 crates or less, others have never won anything. It's completely 100% chance. You make the decision to spend the money, so it's on you when you do or don't win anything. It's not the company's fault. Clearly, there is a history of people winning in a small amount of crates and a large amount of crates. So what is the problem? Fine, it's a scheme. But it's not like NO ONE wins before using a large amount of crates.
Again, it is you who decide to spend the money. With an established history of people winning in a relatively low amount of crates, how can one say that this is a scheme where no one wins without spinning a large amount of crates? I was simply pointing out the obvious, not attacking. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »The OP directed his opinions in a harsh manner towards a company he has no 100% factual knowledge on how it works. I didn't attack him, I simply responded in the same manner that he asked for when posting in that way. I don't sugar coat things.
Business is business. They put the items out there for you to take a chance and win. Some people have won in 10 crates or less, others have never won anything. It's completely 100% chance. You make the decision to spend the money, so it's on you when you do or don't win anything. It's not the company's fault. Clearly, there is a history of people winning in a small amount of crates and a large amount of crates. So what is the problem? Fine, it's a scheme. But it's not like NO ONE wins before using a large amount of crates.
Again, it is you who decide to spend the money. With an established history of people winning in a relatively low amount of crates, how can one say that this is a scheme where no one wins without spinning a large amount of crates? I was simply pointing out the obvious, not attacking.
Corporations and big companies cannot be trusted. I wasn't actually talking about you attacking OP, but rather saying things to the people you quoted above without euphemism. On that fact that you don't sugarcoat things, that's with the a lot of people on this forum and on the internet in general. OP apologized for his harshness if there was any at the end of his post too. Yes, you can probably tell by now that I agree with him.
There is no problem with the BM. Not for Z8 anyways. I do know they want to make the most money, but I think that making it so that ZP can't buy anything permanent (except for characters which don't actually do anything) and crates are like lottery tickets, is a dirty business scheme. Some of their patches are like 80% ZP and 20% GP.
If Z8 would ever release the odds about winning a gun in the BM, I think some people would stop using it.
Right, you're not attacking, but it seems that way to me because you don't sugarcoat things, ie. it's kind of harsh. -
Corporations and big companies cannot be trusted. I wasn't actually talking about you attacking OP, but rather saying things to the people you quoted above without euphemism. On that fact that you don't sugarcoat things, that's with the a lot of people on this forum and on the internet in general. OP apologized for his harshness if there was any at the end of his post too. Yes, you can probably tell by now that I agree with him.
There is no problem with the BM. Not for Z8 anyways. I do know they want to make the most money, but I think that making it so that ZP can't buy anything permanent (except for characters which don't actually do anything) and crates are like lottery tickets, is a dirty business scheme. Some of their patches are like 80% ZP and 20% GP.
If Z8 would ever release the odds about winning a gun in the BM, I think some people would stop using it.
Right, you're not attacking, but it seems that way to me because you don't sugarcoat things, ie. it's kind of harsh.
I completely understand your point about the item shop. However, you have to look at it from ALL angles. You said you understood the point of releasing weapons on Temporary ZP so that they can be used for promotion and/or testing to see if they would actually sell.
Now here's the Catch 22 --- If SmileGate were to release weapons that were permanent, where you could buy them in the item shop, what would stop the HUGE amount of people who would complain about not everything being permanent in the item shop?
"Oh, you can make this weapon permanent, but you can't make this weapon permanent?"
"Why is this weapon permanent, but these other three are not? Stupid company only wants to make money. They are being selfish and not making them all permanent."
It WOULD happen. Keep in mind, this IS a free-to-play game. You are not required to spend a dime. However, they must ensure from a business standpoint that they do not shoot themselves in the foot. Making weapons permanent in the ZP shop, would almost ensure constant complaints about releasing temporary versus permanent weapons.
Also, once they are bought in the item shop, there would be no need to spend money in the Black Market. Call it what you want, but the BM works. It may not always yield the best winning %, but people DO win. Sometimes it takes longer than others, but people do still win in low and high amounts of crates.
On the other hand, a company releases a weapon permanently in the item shop, then it doesn't return the numbers that they were looking for, so they remove it. THEN, you have the group of people who DID like that weapon and now criticize the company for removing it from being permanent.
You have to look at the bigger picture. It's often choosing the lesser of two evils. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I completely understand your point about the item shop. However, you have to look at it from ALL angles. You said you understood the point of releasing weapons on Temporary ZP so that they can be used for promotion and/or testing to see if they would actually sell.
Now here's the Catch 22 --- If SmileGate were to release weapons that were permanent, where you could buy them in the item shop, what would stop the HUGE amount of people who would complain about not everything being permanent in the item shop?
"Oh, you can make this weapon permanent, but you can't make this weapon permanent?"
"Why is this weapon permanent, but these other three are not? Stupid company only wants to make money. They are being selfish and not making them all permanent."
It WOULD happen. Keep in mind, this IS a free-to-play game. You are not required to spend a dime. However, they must ensure from a business standpoint that they do not shoot themselves in the foot. Making weapons permanent in the ZP shop, would almost ensure constant complaints about releasing temporary versus permanent weapons.
Also, once they are bought in the item shop, there would be no need to spend money in the Black Market. Call it what you want, but the BM works. It may not always yield the best winning %, but people DO win. Sometimes it takes longer than others, but people do still win in low and high amounts of crates.
You have to look at the bigger picture.
Hmm, good point. That's why you tend to spend more money on a free 2 play game than something like COD or any one time payment thing. -
Hmm, good point. That's why you tend to spend more money on a free 2 play game than something like COD or any one time payment thing.
Exactly. This game LIVES and BREATHES off of what people spend. While it may seem selfish from your point of view, it may in fact be perfectly fine. They provide a system that A) Gives people a chance to win, where people DO win in a low amount of crates AND a high amount of crates,
Will ensure a system that provides them a daily source of income. I see that as a perfectly fine system. You also have to factor in that you usually only see a majority of threads complaining about not winning, which leads you to believe no one really wins.
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=28792 - that's probably not even a fraction of people that actually win stuff. That's also only THIS forum population, not even including the ACTUAL population of Cross Fire.
There are certain things a company can and can't do, especially when catering to what the community wants. The community wants permanent weapons in the ZP shop, that would almost ensure less people spending money on the BM and more people criticizing the company for releasing temporary weapons, when permanent weapons exist. Like I said, it's a Catch 22. They chose the lesser of the evils.
Do I agree that they could release a new BP weapon to reward the users for spending ZP? Certainly. I am 100% in support that they could probably benefit even MORE from releasing an exclusive weapon to say, "Thank You". -
[MOD]Polleus:
I love your arguments! But here's my problem. Even if my theory isn't correct, why would people agree that it's about the money?
In the eyes of the players, Z8 has been building this reputation of being money hungry and not caring at all about our voices. It's no accident that the same rants about the SCAR Light consistently come up. Yet despite all the outrage over the weapon, nothing has been done about it. Players have just been shunned from having a say about their gameplay.
Besides, if Z8 really cared about us, they'd explain their reasons for doing what they do, not just ignore us entirely.
But I want to thank you for standing up for yourself and the company you're representing, I can see that you have integrity and confidence in what you're doing. Your work is greatly appreciated by me, it's good to here the other point of view. -
NeoSpectrum wrote: »[MOD]Polleus:
I love your arguments! But here's my problem. Even if my theory isn't correct, why would people agree that it's about the money?
In the eyes of the players, Z8 has been building this reputation of being money hungry and not caring at all about our voices. It's no accident that the same rants about the SCAR Light consistently come up. Yet despite all the outrage over the weapon, nothing has been done about it. Players have just been shunned from having a say about their gameplay.
Besides, if Z8 really cared about us, they'd explain their reasons for doing what they do, not just ignore us entirely.
No they havent. Theyve done what theyve always done. Its like chinese whispers. One person says something and they may or may not be interpreted differently by someone else and then spread around. For example
"Z8 released another ZP weapon"
"OMG they are so money hungry"
The first person may have just been pointing something out and then another person thought that they were complaining. That person will then start saying how money hungry they are and say it in such a way that make sense. Then people belkieve the twisted words and so on and so on.
Much like 2012.. people are twisting things to make it sound true when that isnt the case at all. Its the way words are presented.. you could make anyone believe anything if you put it across in the correct way. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »No they havent. Theyve done what theyve always done. Its like chinese whispers. One person says something and they may or may not be interpreted differently by someone else and then spread around. For example
"Z8 released another ZP weapon"
"OMG they are so money hungry"
The first person may have just been pointing something out and then another person thought that they were complaining. That person will then start saying how money hungry they are and say it in such a way that make sense. Then people belkieve the twisted words and so on and so on.
Much like 2012.. people are twisting things to make it sound true when that isnt the case at all. Its the way words are presented.. you could make anyone believe anything if you put it across in the correct way.
Aha! Lovin' it. Good points! -
NeoSpectrum wrote: »[MOD]Polleus:
I love your arguments! But here's my problem. Even if my theory isn't correct, why would people agree that it's about the money?
In the eyes of the players, Z8 has been building this reputation of being money hungry and not caring at all about our voices. It's no accident that the same rants about the SCAR Light consistently come up. Yet despite all the outrage over the weapon, nothing has been done about it. Players have just been shunned from having a say about their gameplay.
Besides, if Z8 really cared about us, they'd explain their reasons for doing what they do, not just ignore us entirely.
Well, let me first correct that, then I'll explain why.
Z8Games = Internet portal. NOT the Game Developer. They have NOTHING to do with the game itself, just the community web site.
G4Box = Game Publisher. NOT the Game Developer.
NeoWiz = Game distributor (SG gives NeoWiz the authority to distribute the game to publishers)
Smile Gate (Based in Korea) = Game Developer
The lines of communication trickle down from Smile Gate, all the way down to G4Box. G4Box simply publishes the content that is given to them from SmileGate. The P90-Camo is the FIRST sign of something developed in-house from G4Box, which is a good sign. BUT, G4Box sometimes just doesn't have an answer to some of your questions simply because SmileGate doesn't given them the answer.
SmileGate will develop the game as THEY see fit, not necessarily as you see fit. You have to remember, there is A LOT of red tap on the road to Smile Gate. Our suggestions would have to go 100% SUPPORTED from G4Box to NeoWiz and then to Smile Gate. It's not as simple as G4Box picking up the phone and calling Smile Gate. That's unfortunately why I don't like large companies, but that's how the majority of these games run. We just have to take it how it comes, that's all we can do.
It's not that you are being ignored. Sometimes the process to push your comments and suggestions up the chain of communication are a lot harder than you think. G4Box has done a pretty decent job in pushing SOME suggestions (Spec Mode, Shooting Range), but their reach only goes so far. The buck stops with what SmileGate sees fit and that's the end of it. That wouldn't be so much of a problem if the game was being developed in the region it exists (NA/UK), but it's being developed by Korean developers who gauge off of a Korean market. It's tough man. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Well, let me first correct that, then I'll explain why.
Z8Games = Internet portal. NOT the Game Developer. They have NOTHING to do with the game itself, just the community web site.
G4Box = Game Publisher. NOT the Game Developer.
NeoWiz = Game distributor (SG gives NeoWiz the authority to distribute the game to publishers)
Smile Gate (Based in Korea) = Game Developer
The lines of communication trickle down from Smile Gate, all the way down to G4Box. G4Box simply publishes the content that is given to them from SmileGate. The P90-Camo is the FIRST sign of something developed in-house from G4Box, which is a good sign. BUT, G4Box sometimes just doesn't have an answer to some of your questions simply because SmileGate doesn't given them the answer.
SmileGate will develop the game as THEY see fit, not necessarily as you see fit. You have to remember, there is A LOT of red tap on the road to Smile Gate. Our suggestions would have to go 100% SUPPORTED from G4Box to NeoWiz and then to Smile Gate. It's not as simple as G4Box picking up the phone and calling Smile Gate. That's unfortunately why I don't like large companies, but that's how the majority of these games run. We just have to take it how it comes, that's all we can do.
It's not that you are being ignored. Sometimes the process to push your comments and suggestions up the chain of communication are a lot harder than you think. G4Box has done a pretty decent job in pushing SOME suggestions (Spec Mode, Shooting Range), but their reach only goes so far. The buck stops with what SmileGate sees fit and that's the end of it. That wouldn't be so much of a problem if the game was being developed in the region it exists (NA/UK), but it's being developed by Korean developers who gauge off of a Korean market. It's tough man.
That's pretty much what I figured as far as different company roles. I'm glad you brought that up because it does have some very valid points.
Another thing, we are essentially both arguing the same thing with a twist. You're saying that words are filtered for the sole reason of being offensive. I'm saying that the words are being filtered for the reason of being offensive and driving off potential ZP buyers.
Mine makes more sense from a business standpoint, yours makes more sense from an ethical standpoint- both are logical.
I like you
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look z8, I dont care if you ban word noob or no skill, all I would love you to spend some time on is - COMPLETELY BANNING EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE that is not english. as you just go in a room and there is always someone like:
him: co to kurwa haker!!?!?! *your like wdf is that*
you: I didnt get the word you said but I dont hack...
him: ****,kurwa, ja tebe zabiem..bla bla bla * these are the words I remember and I dont knw what they mean but I just want to ask z8 to completely ban other languages, if br's and pl's and what ever plays the game dont speak english - HOW THE HELL DID THEY FIND A WAY TO DOWNLOAD AND INSTAL AND AGREE TO THE RULES OF THE GAME?!
I may be racist somehow but it is so annoying when you just bump into a room spammed with other language than english, we dont get a chance to learn all languages in the world, we may know french or german, BUT thats not the point. English is known by MOST of the world, I am russian, and my english is fluent because of games like Crossfire when I talk to people, and they answer back, I somehow manage to explain what I want and not just to say something in my language to them.
z8, please do something with it:) -
[MOD]Giggletron:
Ah, brilliant point. Z8's doing it because they're trying to make us better at spelling in addition to watching our potty talk!
So they're just telling us to now say "newbie" and "skill lacking."
I'm loving where this is going! We now have a third argument!
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haahsjhfsd wrote: »look z8, I dont care if you ban word noob or no skill, all I would love you to spend some time on is - COMPLETELY BANNING EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE that is not english. as you just go in a room and there is always someone like:
him: co to kurwa haker!!?!?! *your like wdf is that*
you: I didnt get the word you said but I dont hack...
him: ****,kurwa, ja tebe zabiem..bla bla bla * these are the words I remember and I dont knw what they mean but I just want to ask z8 to completely ban other languages, if br's and pl's and what ever plays the game dont speak english - HOW THE HELL DID THEY FIND A WAY TO DOWNLOAD AND INSTAL AND AGREE TO THE RULES OF THE GAME?!
I may be racist somehow but it is so annoying when you just bump into a room spammed with other language than english, we dont get a chance to learn all languages in the world, we may know french or german, BUT thats not the point. English is known by MOST of the world, I am russian, and my english is fluent because of games like Crossfire when I talk to people, and they answer back, I somehow manage to explain what I want and not just to say something in my language to them.
z8, please do something with it:)
Meh, I'm taking Spanish as a language class for my school. Crossfire helps me practice speaking to my Latino brothers in their native tongue. -
I understand ok, BUT why would you spam the whole room saying that I am a haker on theur own language when nobody understands it. it is worthless and when they start spamming it, your fps goes low(if you have a laptop like my old one) and I getso annoyed, and sometimes you dont understand what they want, but secretly they are talking to your team mate and asking to kick you... thats what I get everysingle day! and that makes me wanna just give up on cf, and I am so annoyed by polish people that when I see a polish clan I just want to run in and make a 6kill on them... and then just get secretly kicked? by the player from their country? why dont they team up and get a skype, msn, teamspeak etc.its so easy and free, get on call and TALK how ever you want. dont disturb other players game, chat is made for comments and communication between teams, not arguing about you either hack or not.
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NeoSpectrum wrote: »
(If I came across a little harsh, I apologize, I feel very- odd. I witnessed a pedestrian crossing a highway and being fatally struck by a semi truck at 70 MPH near Denver this morning. The scene was horrific, and I've never thought so deep about something in my life. I've also never seen death first hand- so I feel very awkward as a result, sorry, long explanation :P)
Life is so fragile. -
Or typing "Noo but I hit him 23 times!" and getting "???ut I hit him 23 times!"
I think that's an actual error in the coding. The filter isn't deciphering spaces in between words and thus why you get such a result. Just a guess though. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I think that's an actual error in the coding. The filter isn't deciphering spaces in between words and thus why you get such a result. Just a guess though.
I have to agree. There is an error in the coding and that error is that the filter coding even exists when it really is pointless.
Also, just wondering about this footnote on the crossfire game page.
It says rated T for teen for violence but also 'Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB'.
So this shows that online text chat within the game is not under any kind of age rating guidance so therefore the game does not even require any kind of text filter for its licensing purposes.
The filter is not required but is imposed by the devs but for what actual reason?
Anyone who plays the game knows that words such as nooob, no0b and ha.cker, mean. The filter is not protecting anyone. It is simply annoying, frustrating and obtrusive. Whenever you are trying to make sensible chat to people even not containing those words, you end up with an incomprehensible message containing ??? all over the place.
Pretty soon we will end up with a filtering system that only allows you to type with a full stop b.e.t.w.e.e.n e.v.e.r.y l.e.t.t.e.r! -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Its a wish yes.
-sigh...
The word is used IN THIS GAME as an insult...
insults are bad. And bad is filtered
How are people NOT getting this...
Because it's clearly not an insult to the community. When someone calls me noob..im clearly not insulted because i know its not true..all the people that call me noob are the people i kill anyways. Who are the noobs now? You mad? -
Because it's clearly not an insult to the community. When someone calls me noob..im clearly not insulted because i know its not true..all the people that call me noob are the people i kill anyways. Who are the noobs now? You mad?
What dont you understand about what im trying to say? YOU may not see it as an insult but thats the way its used in general... There are some words I dont find offensive but that doesnt make it any less offensive to others.
Christ its like talking to a brick wall... -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »What dont you understand about what im trying to say? YOU may not see it as an insult but thats the way its used in general... There are some words I dont find offensive but that doesnt make it any less offensive to others.
Christ its like talking to a brick wall...
indeed it is -
block noob
Like any company, a business needs a way to earn money. Whether it be through physical purchasing, services, online goods or whatever, every company needs money to stay open. Z8's method is by offering you ingame perks for purchasing Z8 points. You rarely get anything permanent with your Z8 points, which many people are outraged about, but there's a very clever marketing reason behind it. Z8's philosophy is that if someone has $20 to buy 20000 ZP, they will have another $20 to buy 20000 more.
But people don't buy ZP for any random reason, they need to think the game is super cool, even if they are terrible at it. If a new player joins a room and players horribly and is called a "noob," there's a 1/1000 chance that the person will be offended and uninstall CrossFire, thus canceling an otherwise potential purchaser of ZP. The same thing with "hacker." If a legitimately good player is called a hacker, the player could potentially get annoyed enough and leave the game for good, again, crossing out a potential buyer. Z8 will deny that it's all about the money, which is a slanderous lie, because money is everything in the private sector. Now that's not to say that they don't offer brilliant services and customer service.
But the funny thing is, all the filters do is just add a minor block in allowing a player to speak freely. Their thinking is:
Oh, they block "noob." So I'll just type "n0ob" instead.
Which makes the blocks completely pointless. Just like the F word easily stated by just omitting the 'c' from the word (same rule applies to "hacker").
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