5 on 5 Multi-Mode Matches?
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Im going to talk with Erick more on this, but after watching other big games such as COD on stream I think we should do a Combination League as well as a SnD league.
This would be a league where when you face another team to win you would have to play best of 5 maps for example:
5 on 5 Combined Mode League
Map 1: Search and Destroy (Eagle Eye, 5 round halves)
Map 2: Elimination (Crossroads, 5 round halves)
Map 3: Escape (Temple Ruins, 10 Escapes)
Map 4: Ghost (Lost Relics, 5 round halves)
Map 5: TD (Egypt, 40 Kill halves)
Each map a team gets 1 point per half and 1 point per map won. So there is a total of 15 points to be won making a tie impossible.
Or it could be broke down where you play 1 map each round, but it could be any of the 5 modes.
This would make for a fun new league style to tryout and I want to get a separate league or tournament for this type of matches going within CFL as well, and I feel like this would be a fun way to really make teams train hard for matches. It will be cool if CF added Capture the Flag or Domination to the game though, it would make for a better 5 mode combo league.
Let me know what you think.
This would be a league where when you face another team to win you would have to play best of 5 maps for example:
5 on 5 Combined Mode League
Map 1: Search and Destroy (Eagle Eye, 5 round halves)
Map 2: Elimination (Crossroads, 5 round halves)
Map 3: Escape (Temple Ruins, 10 Escapes)
Map 4: Ghost (Lost Relics, 5 round halves)
Map 5: TD (Egypt, 40 Kill halves)
Each map a team gets 1 point per half and 1 point per map won. So there is a total of 15 points to be won making a tie impossible.
Or it could be broke down where you play 1 map each round, but it could be any of the 5 modes.
This would make for a fun new league style to tryout and I want to get a separate league or tournament for this type of matches going within CFL as well, and I feel like this would be a fun way to really make teams train hard for matches. It will be cool if CF added Capture the Flag or Domination to the game though, it would make for a better 5 mode combo league.
Let me know what you think.
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What dren? It seems like a hefty amount of game play which it is more than the usually SnD, but it would be amazing to see some dedicated teams duke it out in a multi-mode League or tournament. If 5 modes is too much we could also try seperate ladders / leagues for modes like GM, EM, and Escape.
The point is to try to integrate other modes into competitive CF -
And here is where lack of any kind of experience in the competitive field shows the most hilariousness.
Well lets start with what you first said, no COD has ever had a league in which it was not SND. No we are not talking about Cod black ops 2. That game is not competitive at all, and does not have a single "real" league, please stop talking about what you obviously don't know about. When people say COD, they mean cod 1, 2, and 4. Anything past that has not had a glimmer of competitive play. All these cods were based on the SnD format.
Why you would even suggest having Ghost mode and elimination in this is mind boggling at best, and at worst seems like an idea from Sarah Palin's down syndromed grandson."I feel like this would be a fun way to really make teams train hard for matches."
How on earth would bringing in these game modes, that have never been competitive, or have any decent maps make teams train harder for matches? Are you suggesting teams don't practice maps? I'm confused, explain yourself.it would make for a better 5 mode combo league.
Because having to practice 4 more maps and modes would easily make for a better gameplay experience and not backfire in anyway possible. Their has been ONE (Exactly ONE) game that has ever had a viable competitive background with a mode of 3 gameplays, that being halo. A game known more for fragging then actual strategy, so please tell me how a game that is bugged to hell would benefit from a 5 mode league, when a 3 mode league of one of the biggest FPS titles ever couldn't do a 3 mode league backed by Red bull, intel, and nvidia without it backfiring?
In a nutshell, this idea is dumb as hell and was probably thought of at 3am without a 2nd thought by a person who really isn't competitive. Whoever came up with this idea should seriously be downgraded to an admin who does nothing more then inputs scores and handles disputes (I'm guessing this came from davidlive) -
The point is to try to integrate other modes into competitive CF
Why would we want to integrate other game modes into a game that is 100% based off of a competitive game with purely SnD?This is the crossfire forums! We don't like change! gtfo newfag! (Pure sarcasm btw, I like the idea. However, I think a good place to start would be trying to revive interest in Ghost Mode as opposed to try to get all modes at first.)
And I now see you are not a competitive player, as such, you have no input here, goodbye. -
And here is where lack of any kind of experience in the competitive field shows the most hilariousness.
Well lets start with what you first said, no COD has ever had a league in which it was not SND. No we are not talking about Cod black ops 2. That game is not competitive at all, and does not have a single "real" league, please stop talking about what you obviously don't know about. When people say COD, they mean cod 1, 2, and 4. Anything past that has not had a glimmer of competitive play. All these cods were based on the SnD format.
Why you would even suggest having Ghost mode and elimination in this is mind boggling at best, and at worst seems like an idea from Sarah Palin's down syndromed grandson.
Your lack of competitive gaming knowledge in this game and others is pretty obvious by this reply. To say COD BO2 has no real league is completely ignorant. COD BO2 is using a multi-mode type of game play for MLG, which is more of a league than any league crossfire has ever had. If you don't think I am right go look at MLG's site. COD BO2 will be at MLG Dallas under a multi-mode format including modes such as SnD, CTF, etc.
Ghost mode has been competitive in this game before and still there are many GM clans that I am sure would take interest in this or maybe a separate event for GM.
I have competitive experience, but only in this game although it is clear I know more than you by your lack of knowledge in COD competitive alone. I am looking for ways to broaden this communities horizons while you spew hate filled inaccurate arguments in attempt to keep inside your bubble of one type of game play.
We need to filter through people such as you and doop who offer no real help for community growth in this game. If you have real criticisms with actual evidence I am more than willing to hear you out, but if this is the best you have to offer please do not waste my time. -
Escape mode could be interesting, since it is a more team based mode.
The ghost moders run their own little tourny things, go participate in those if you want to play GM.
Elimination is just like S&D except without a bomb, no need to play that too.
TD would probably be a waste of time. -
Your lack of competitive gaming knowledge in this game and others is pretty obvious by this reply. To say COD BO2 has no real league is completely ignorant. COD BO2 is using a multi-mode type of game play for MLG, which is more of a league than any league crossfire has ever had. If you don't think I am right go look at MLG's site. COD BO2 will be at MLG Dallas under a multi-mode format including modes such as SnD, CTF, etc.
Ghost mode has been competitive in this game before and still there are many GM clans that I am sure would take interest in this or maybe a separate event for GM.
I have competitive experience, but only in this game although it is clear I know more than you by your lack of knowledge in COD competitive alone. I am looking for ways to broaden this communities horizons while you spew hate filled inaccurate arguments in attempt to keep inside your bubble of one type of game play.
We need to filter through people such as you and doop who offer no real help for community growth in this game. If you have real criticisms with actual evidence I am more than willing to hear you out, but if this is the best you have to offer please do not waste my time.
Did he just say COD 2 bo and MLG are competitive as a reference? LOLOLOLLOLOLOL
First - COD 2 BO is for the ps3 at mlg, not pc.
Second - MLG has not been a good league for the last 2 years.
Third - The "huge" competitive amount in bo2, is literally 1/100th of what it was in cod 4.
"I have competitive experience, but only in this game although it is clear I know more than you by your lack of knowledge in COD competitive alone."
I loled, you haven't been here to long.
"Ghost mode has been competitive in this game before and still there are many GM clans that I am sure would take interest in this or maybe a separate event for GM. "
No, no it hasn't. It's had two tournaments in two years, where around 80% of the teams hacked. It has never had a league, a prize, or a lan. It is not competitive. -
You keep saying "I'm going to talk more on this with Erick" as if that makes the idea any less stupid. You aren't apart of CFL any more.. dren is running it with erick, not you. You bring absolutely nothing to the table so I can see why dren took over as he's much more capable and isn't an absolute retard like you.
To reiterate what doop said, please keep your completely ridiculous ideas on the vVv forums where they belong.
Thanks,
the real slim shady -
I think I am the best one to address this issue as I was a "competitive" console gamer before I switched to PC. I was on one of the top ranked gamebattles teams for Socom II (Luminosity). The biggest problem here is ryangi is strictly talking about PC Gaming. What works in the console market doesn't necessarily work on the PC.Your lack of competitive gaming knowledge in this game and others is pretty obvious by this reply. To say COD BO2 has no real league is completely ignorant. COD BO2 is using a multi-mode type of game play for MLG, which is more of a league than any league crossfire has ever had. If you don't think I am right go look at MLG's site. COD BO2 will be at MLG Dallas under a multi-mode format including modes such as SnD, CTF, etc.
Ghost mode has been competitive in this game before and still there are many GM clans that I am sure would take interest in this or maybe a separate event for GM.
I have competitive experience, but only in this game although it is clear I know more than you by your lack of knowledge in COD competitive alone. I am looking for ways to broaden this communities horizons while you spew hate filled inaccurate arguments in attempt to keep inside your bubble of one type of game play.
We need to filter through people such as you and doop who offer no real help for community growth in this game. If you have real criticisms with actual evidence I am more than willing to hear you out, but if this is the best you have to offer please do not waste my time.
Although I never played cod4 competitively I did have good interactions with some of the top players from the game. I was pugging wolf2 with the majority of the A51 cod4 team. Not to mention that over the years I have played with many cod players in other games. One of the biggest differences is that BO2 in MLG is 4v4. This has a huge effect on how maps play out. If you look at S&D gameplay from vcod/cod2/cod4 and compare it to BO2; you will notice a large difference in how the rounds play out. There is also the evolution of the game mechanics themselves from the previous versions of cod.
Furthermore MLG is only using S&D, CTF, and HP. The way you word it you make it sound as if they are using every game mode available, which they aren't.
Also once you begin comparing leagues cross platform you run into some problems. There is no argument that MLG beats community ran upstart leagues such as CFL. Do not forget though that CF has had WCG/WEM/eStars/EMS. I am not going to argue the prestige of certain leagues over others, but keep in mind there's a lot more heritage (i guess that is what you would call it) of competitive gaming on the PC. Only looking at the present does some injustice.
You are also missing one of the key reasons why MLG is using this multi mode format. Stream/Marketing revenue. This lengthens the match and gives them a longer exposure. Which in turn gives them more revenue. The leagues are out to make money. There is no argument that they support the respective titles, just don't get it jaded. If there was no profit in it, they wouldn't be doing it.
Now onto the concept of ghost mode. I dabbled in the GM community for a bit. First with =Hello Kitty= when I was their young jedi and they were teaching me how to not suck. Then later with contagion. Both of those are/were respected GM clans. GM players in general don't appreciate it when us S&D players try to tell them what to do and how to do it. In general they don't want much to do with us S&D players (even less with the "competitive" community). I am sure it would be appreciated if a GM tournament was ran, but keep in mind there has been issues with the last 3-4 GM events. These issues will continue to be a problem until it is eliminated completely on z8's end or a 3rd party solution is obtained.
Now onto you. You claim that you have competitive experience, but only in this game. I may be mistaken, but I can't really recall anything noteworthy that you or your team had accomplished that could be called experience.
Experience as a general concept comprises knowledge of or skill of some thing or some event gained through involvement in or exposure to that thing or event.
Going off of that definition it becomes quite apparent that the majority of your experience comes from playing theory craft on the forums.
Now onto why S&D is being played at the competitive mode. If you look back to closed/open beta, the majority of the "competitive" players that played CF at that time came from other games. Either they were getting out of competitive play or just enjoyed the game. For whatever reason CF become their new game of choice.
Example. Area51 had players from the following games: dod1.3, dod:s, vcod/cod2, cod4, cs:s, cs1.6, q3
Excluding quake3, the main gametype in the competitive aspect of those games is S&D. Since these players played S&D in other games, it was only natural to play S&D in CF.
Another way to look at is imagine if the majority of competitive CF players came from hldm or tfc/tf2. It would be likely in that case that we wouldn't be playing S&D as our competitive mode.
You say I need to be filtered out since I offer no real help for this community. I am just curious. What exactly have you done for this community? Nothing.
Carry on young blood. Just remember. I get buckets.
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We need to filter through people such as you and doop who offer no real help for community growth in this game. If you have real criticisms with actual evidence I am more than willing to hear you out, but if this is the best you have to offer please do not waste my time.
You aren't at all allowed to say stuff like this: http://forum.z8games.com/showpost.php?p=3406184&postcount=40
Regardless, here ARE some actual criticisms.
Escape mode is already borderline hectic with 4v4, 5v5 it becomes ridiculous. 2v2s - 4v4s provide a good competitive atmosphere for escape mode, anything more gets into the same realm as 8v8 SnD
The same could be said for GM, however I don't have enough experience playing it competitively to actually back it up. I've found 3v3s to be ideal for GM, maybe someone from the community (e.g. dellz) could weigh in.
And again, same for TDM. I've found 3v3 to be nice, Luck made a post recently making valid arguments for 4v4, but 5v5 crosses the line into hectic.
Elimination? Yea, maybe if it was done on maps that were built like actual SnD maps. But on the current maps it's just a watered down SnD. There's no point in it.
Doop covered the other side while I was afk. -
Castiel_ALI wrote: »Start by posting in other sections so you get more people, because pretty much all of those who come in this section are SnD scrim only people.
That doesn't matter. I'm a huge advocate for competition in other modes (Escape mode particularly), however I'm more than happy to point out the flaws in trying to combine said modes. -
[MOD]Denxi wrote: »The same could be said for GM, however I don't have enough experience playing it competitively to actually back it up. I've found 3v3s to be ideal for GM, maybe someone from the community (e.g. dellz) could weigh in.
I used to play GM quite a lot, and participated in many tournaments and such. 3v3's were indeed the ideal matches for GM, but 5v5's were played most often in tournaments. -
The Chinese already have this and you have the rules completely wrong. In this order it goes TD: 150 Kills on Mexico. - S&D 9 Rounds - Elimination on Tombstone 9 rounds. This is how the the Chinese who are without a doubt the best players in Crossfire play not only in China but, also in a Chinese league within the Alpha 7 community. Theres a reason why they do it and so far it's proven to work.
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The Chinese already have this and you have the rules completely wrong. In this order it goes TD: 150 Kills on Mexico. - S&D 9 Rounds - Elimination on Tombstone 9 rounds. This is how the the Chinese who are without a doubt the best players in Crossfire play not only in China but, also in a Chinese league within the Alpha 7 community. Theres a reason why they do it and so far it's proven to work.
I don't know whether or not you realize this and you're just saying there's another place to look for data, but this isn't an actual argument for doing a multi-mode league/tournament.
If you or someone else wants to elaborate on this, by all means do so. I just wanted to make sure that people reading your post understand that just because the Chinese (or anyone else, for that matter) are doing something isn't a reason for other people to do it as well. -
This would be fun in public play and just casual tournaments, but I don't see it ever being competitive. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense trying to do this. Good idea though, just not for competitive.
I mean, Search & Destroy defines a competitive fps game.
In this game, the next best thing is Ghost mode. But a majority of the population do not play it. There is a good portion that plays and WILL play if you make successful tournaments such as in the past, but anything under the margin of MOTG tournaments, no one will care.
Just goes to show Zz. -
Hey guys,
Just wanted to post some of my thoughts about this.
At the moment, we all know CFL is new and really focusing on the foundations for our S&D side of the league. We haven't looked into any other modes just yet because we are still working on improving what we have now. We don't have any other interest in pursuing anything outside of S&D until we can manage what we have now. Not to say that we can't manage what we are doing, but we are still learning and getting feedback for when play offs come around. We want to make it just right for the community.
Now going more on topic, I do support and appreciate the suggestions on what we can develop in the future. At this time, we don't have interest in pursuing any other modes except for Escape Mode as a possible draft event. Other then that, like I said above, we are really focusing on what we have now.
By all means, keep these suggestions coming because we are hearing what you have to say and when the time comes, we will put your thoughts into an idea for later on. Thank you guys. -
thedodge51 wrote: »
Now onto you. You claim that you have competitive experience, but only in this game. I may be mistaken, but I can't really recall anything noteworthy that you or your team had accomplished that could be called experience.
Experience as a general concept comprises knowledge of or skill of some thing or some event gained through involvement in or exposure to that thing or event.
Going off of that definition it becomes quite apparent that the majority of your experience comes from playing theory craft on the forums.
You say I need to be filtered out since I offer no real help for this community. I am just curious. What exactly have you done for this community? Nothing.
You say I have no experience in competitive CF, but I do.
Going off of your definition I have experience in:
WCG
CSN
WOGL
CFL
3-4 other small tournaments hosted by CF players.
Though I have never taken First place in these events, I did not do poorly in them with the exception of WOGL because I was young and lacking competitive experience as WOGL was my first exposure to competitive gaming in CF and in general. I gained experience in some and used that to make myself a better player. From 2009 to now I have improved quite a bit regardless of your view of how I play now, it is quite better than it was just 1 year ago let alone when I started playing. I don't have to win in a tournament or do something "noteworthy" to gain experience. You learn more from a loss than win, if only the teams who break up every time a team they consider not as good as them beats them would see this point. You offer some validity to your arguments, but at they same time you still seem a bit close minded on the Idea of expanding the competitive community. Best of luck to you doop and thanks for the response. -
You say I have no experience in competitive CF, but I do.
Going off of your definition I have experience in:
WCG
CSN
WOGL
CFL
3-4 other small tournaments hosted by CF players.
Though I have never taken First place in these events, I did not do poorly in them with the exception of WOGL because I was young and lacking competitive experience as WOGL was my first exposure to competitive gaming in CF and in general. I gained experience in some and used that to make myself a better player. From 2009 to now I have improved quite a bit regardless of your view of how I play now, it is quite better than it was just 1 year ago let alone when I started playing. I don't have to win in a tournament or do something "noteworthy" to gain experience. You learn more from a loss than win, if only the teams who break up every time a team they consider not as good as them beats them would see this point. You offer some validity to your arguments, but at they same time you still seem a bit close minded on the Idea of expanding the competitive community. Best of luck to you doop and thanks for the response.
You only learn from your mistakes if they don't happen again.
ya blow nerd and your ideas are even worse -
thedodge51 wrote: »You only learn from your mistakes if they don't happen again.
ya blow nerd and your ideas are even worse
They don't happen again. I lost a tournament match 14-0 in 2009. Hasn't happened since. And by your resort to calling me a nerd with bad ideas only shows you no longer bring the value of decent input to this discussion. You don't know me at all yet you judge me and others over their forum posts. I never said my Idea was brilliant, just put it out there to see what people think of other modes in a competitive sense. -
And by your resort to calling me a nerd with bad ideas only shows you no longer bring the value of decent input to this discussion.
And you responding to him and defending your rep, rather than focusing on defending your IDEA, brings your credibility down to the same level you say his is at.
Here's a tip for the future, if you want to make threads where you present an idea, then defend that idea. Multiple people have responded with valid criticism, INCLUDING doop, and yet the thing you prioritize a response to is something that has nothing to do with your discussion in the first place.
tl;dr - if you aren't going to prioritize your own idea, don't think you can hold others to a higher standard.
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AlsoI never said my Idea was brilliant, just put it out there to see what people think of other modes in a competitive sense.
There is a VERY large difference between combining results in multiple modes, and playing competition in multiple modes. I am all for an SnD league, an Escape Mode league, and a GM league, however I am against combining them all into one mess (for multiple reasons).
You weren't asking what people thought of the competitive potential/viability of other modes, you were asking what people thought of the competitive potential/viability of combining multiple modes. Which, like I said before, are two very different things.
P.S. Gonna be removing any more irrelevant personal crap, no matter the source. I'm only leaving the previous posts up as reference. -
The lack of support in the CF community its sad. Yes this may not be the best idea but for real anything anyone does to try and help this community to grow get shot down by some stupid people who don't see the big picture, I do agree with some of you on why this idea wouldn't work but this is one idea I'v seen sooooo many people try to bring new things to this community to try and help it grow that are very good ideas that get shot down by some dumb trolls which of most either don't play anymore or have no reason to give their input see how they obv don't give two ****s about anything that happens around here. so in other words why not support something new and you know what I think this idea was post in the prefect spot and zzxq doesn't need to listen to anything doop has to say he is obsolete and just bring this community down.
Good day.
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