Frost League
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Pooping isn't easy, neither is swagging.awm___Quack wrote: »The 'water weight' drops the fastest. The hard part is yet to come. Remember to have a good diet, physical activity (cardio), and persistence.
I'm not sure how to maintain such a slim physique, there must be more to it than that. -
I wanted to laugh but I realized I shouldn't. I REALLY can't tell if you're baiting or not. If you aren't then you should know that your mental capacity is way below average and no business course is going to help you out.if you took a business course, then you know what i am talking about.
You completely disregarded doop's post in which he explained he ran the cup all by himself, bear in mind it has been said at least few times and I'll say that again for you - slaya was NOT involved. The only reason you say this league is going to be a complete failure is because you dislike slaya. You have no reasonable arguments, you have no facts to back your statement up - it all came down to your personal opinion about slaya. -
i got like 6 people that disagree
No point in arguing with idiots
frost gaming probably take everyones money, and disband the league after match 1
and not give it back.
And doop, you have no idea what you are talking about.
How can you disband a league? Why would we spend thousands of dollars on a website coder + more on an anti cheat coder to take people's money?
"no point in arguing with idiots". -
Please explain to me how buying a ticket to play in a league is investing.
scratch that... lol
you "invest" into a league by purchasing a spot. The performance of the player in the spot will determine whether or not you have made a good investment
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[19:00] doop: Buying a ticket to play in a league is investing?
[19:03] Skeenano.1: product hasnt been introduced
[19:03] Skeenano.1: so its a investment
[19:03] Skeenano.1: intill its an official product
[19:04] Skeenano.1: its an investment
[19:04] Skeenano.1: then its a consumption of a product when its accessible
[19:05] doop: there is no investment
[19:05] doop: all of the costs of running the league
[19:05] doop: are being put up privately
[19:05] Skeenano.1: which is only gonna happen if people put money into it
[19:05] Skeenano.1: so a investment*
[19:05] doop: no
[19:05] Skeenano.1: yes
[19:06] Skeenano.1: dafuq?
[19:06] doop: the league is going to happen no matter what
[19:06] doop: regardless of the player base
[19:06] Skeenano.1: yeah but how many people are gonna pay?
[19:06] Skeenano.1: was my whole point
[19:06] doop: does it matter?
[19:06] Skeenano.1: when the product is flawed
[19:06] doop: how is the product flawed?
[19:07] Skeenano.1: Fg tournaments/leagues/cups are considered the product in this situation
[19:07] Skeenano.1: aim i right?
[19:07] doop: no
[19:07] doop: only the proposed league with website back end and anticheat client
[19:07] doop: is the product
[19:07] Skeenano.1: ..
[19:07] Skeenano.1: thats what i mean
[19:07] Skeenano.1: A LEAGUE
[19:07] Skeenano.1: ^
[19:08] Skeenano.1: website and anticheat are substitues
[19:08] Skeenano.1: the main product is a League right?
[19:09] doop: the website/anticheat
[19:09] doop: are part of the league
[19:09] Skeenano.1: yeah
[19:09] Skeenano.1: they arent the main product
[19:09] doop: yes they are
[19:09] Skeenano.1: they are subsidarys
[19:09] doop: the anticheat and the website
[19:09] doop: are the main attraction
[19:09] doop: it is the reason why people would pay
[19:09] Skeenano.1: why would you pay for a anticheat and website
[19:09] Skeenano.1: folllow me on this
[19:09] doop: do you even know what a subsidiary is?
[19:09] Skeenano.1: drop money on this
[19:10] doop: you are just throwing out random terms
[19:10] Skeenano.1: and then the league shuts down in 2 days
[19:10] doop: didnt stop over 300 people
[19:10] doop: paying to play wogl-p
[19:10] Skeenano.1: thats cus launch followed all the way through.
[19:10] doop: it did?
[19:10] Skeenano.1: to every match being played.
[19:10] doop: did you play in the launch
[19:11] Skeenano.1: no, but i know lifeline won
[19:11] doop: i was on lifeline
[19:11] Skeenano.1: yeah
[19:11] Skeenano.1: was there a final match?
[19:11] doop: teams were forfeiting in the semi finals
[19:11] Skeenano.1: still
[19:11] Skeenano.1: followed through
[19:11] doop: the point?
[19:11] doop: wogl launch
[19:11] Skeenano.1: fgc hasnt
[19:11] doop: had nothing to do with wogl-p season 1
[19:11] Skeenano.1: thats the thing you dont grasp
[19:11] doop: there was also 4 months between wogl-p season 1 and wogl-launch
[19:11] Skeenano.1: it did
[19:12] doop: it did?
[19:12] Skeenano.1: yeah
[19:12] doop: you realize
[19:12] Skeenano.1: and when was fgc?
[19:12] Skeenano.1: 6-5 months ago?
[19:12] doop: i have a very good relationship
[19:12] doop: between the 2 owners of wogl
[19:12] Skeenano.1: didnt i state
[19:12] doop: this has been discussed before
[19:12] Skeenano.1: outside looking in
[19:12] doop: outside looking in what?
[19:12] Skeenano.1: dont care what admins say
[19:12] Skeenano.1: new guy comes in
[19:12] doop: CEO/COO
[19:12] doop: aren't an admin
[19:12] Skeenano.1: oh whats FGC?
[19:12] Skeenano.1: your dodgin around my point
[19:13] doop: what point?
[19:13] Skeenano.1: with your bull****
[19:13] doop: you have yet to state a point
[19:13] Skeenano.1: new guy comes in
[19:13] Skeenano.1: says whats fgc league
[19:13] Skeenano.1: 2nd guy says oh its new league
[19:13] doop: its a crossfire league with an anticheat and a website
[19:13] Skeenano.1: have they had one before?
[19:13] Skeenano.1: yeah it failed in a week
[19:13] doop: it failed in a week?
[19:13] doop: it ran all the way to playoffs
[19:13] Skeenano.1: FG CUP
[19:13] doop: all of the teams in playoffs
[19:13] doop: had completely different rosters
[19:13] doop: than the begining rosters
[19:13] doop: so rather than allow people to completely remake rosters for playoffs
[19:14] doop: it was decided to kill the cup
[19:14] Skeenano.1: THE FG CUP?
[19:14] doop: YES
[19:14] doop: THE FG CUP
[19:14] doop: IT RAN FOR 6 WEEKS
[19:14] Skeenano.1: lasted how long?
[19:14] Skeenano.1: no it didnt
[19:14] doop: yes it did
[19:14] Skeenano.1: lpk cup went that long
[19:14] doop: lpk cup
[19:14] Skeenano.1: not fgc
[19:14] doop: was 4 weeks
[19:14] doop: do you want the excel spreadsheets
[19:14] doop: fgc ran 6 weeks
[19:14] doop: then there was a week and half delay
[19:15] doop: before i was gonna post playoffs
[19:15] doop: and then we decided not to do playoffs
[19:15] Skeenano.1: still a fail though
[19:15] Skeenano.1: it was awhile ago
[19:15] doop: how was it a fail?
[19:15] Skeenano.1: all i know is it didnt go through
[19:15] doop: the teams died
[19:15] doop: that were playing the cups
[19:15] Skeenano.1: of what it was promised.
[19:15] doop: what was promised?
[19:15] Skeenano.1: a few matches then playoffs
[19:15] doop: no
[19:16] doop: that isnt what was promised
[19:16] doop: you're a moron
[19:16] Skeenano.1: i dont remember
[19:16] Skeenano.1: all i know it was scratched no?
[19:16] doop: yea its pretty obvious you dont
[19:16] doop: yes we canceled the tournament because teams couldnt maintain rosters
[19:16] Skeenano.1: yeah
[19:16] doop: how is that frost gaming's fault?
[19:16] Skeenano.1: thats it though
[19:16] Skeenano.1: it is
[19:17] doop: it is?
[19:17] Skeenano.1: they didnt finish
[19:17] doop: finish what group play?
[19:17] doop: we did finish group play
[19:17] Skeenano.1: they whole cup
[19:17] Skeenano.1: the*
[19:17] doop: how can you finish a cup
[19:17] doop: when there wasnt any teams
[19:17] doop: eligible to play
[19:17] doop: based on the rules
[19:17] doop: ?
[19:17] Skeenano.1: man
[19:17] Skeenano.1: thats just an excuse
[19:18] Skeenano.1: im looking outside in
[19:18] doop: an excuse for what?
[19:18] doop: have you ever ran a league or a tournament?
[19:18] Skeenano.1: dont care fore these other reason why it didnt work
[19:18] Skeenano.1: yes ihave
[19:18] Skeenano.1: for soccer
[19:18] Skeenano.1: smooth
[19:18] doop: did you have 50% of your teams
[19:18] doop: not show up?
[19:18] Skeenano.1: 100 percent
[19:18] doop: or show up with random people
[19:18] Skeenano.1: showed up
[19:18] doop: did you have people
[19:18] doop: not submit score cards?
[19:18] Skeenano.1: the refs did
[19:18] doop: there aren't refs in crossfire
[19:19] Skeenano.1: your giving me excuses
[19:19] doop: no
[19:19] Skeenano.1: of why it failed
[19:19] doop: you are comparing
[19:19] doop: it didnt fail
[19:19] Skeenano.1: your the one that asked me
[19:19] doop: no
[19:19] doop: i asked you
[19:19] Skeenano.1: if i ran one
[19:19] doop: how buying a ticket to somethign is investing
[19:19] Skeenano.1: and i told yo uabout it
[19:19] doop: i was talking about a crossfire tournament
[19:19] Skeenano.1: buying a ticket for a propsed product is an investment
[19:19] doop: not your intramural soccer league
[19:19] doop: skeena
[19:19] doop: have you been to the movies?
[19:20] Skeenano.1: yes
[19:20] doop: thats the same thing here
[19:20] Skeenano.1: thats a consumption man
[19:20] doop: no ****
[19:20] doop: its not investing
[19:20] Skeenano.1: thats different
[19:20] doop: how is it different
[19:20] Skeenano.1: a movie is not a propsed product
[19:20] doop: you are paying for a service
[19:20] doop: YOU DONT BUY TICKETS FOR A PROPOSED PRODUCT
[19:20] doop: its not like hes going to say
[19:20] doop: "alright everyone buy your tickets now for FG league
[19:20] doop: and then in 5 months we will play"
[19:20] doop: when the league launchs
[19:21] doop: tickets will be availible
[19:21] Skeenano.1: yeah
[19:21] doop: you cant buy in to the league
[19:21] doop: until it is live
[19:21] Skeenano.1: thats why i sayed constructive critiscims
[19:21] doop: constructive what?
[19:21] Skeenano.1: people blew it out of proportion
[19:21] Skeenano.1: i said
[19:21] doop: all you did was complain about slaya
[19:21] doop: you are clueless
[19:21] doop: and have 0 clue to what you are talking about
[19:21] Skeenano.1: you dont understand
[19:21] doop: you still think its an investment to pay for a service
[19:21] Skeenano.1: what im saying
[19:21] doop: no ****
[19:21] doop: cause you cant explain yourself
[19:21] doop: cause you have 0 communication skills
[19:21] Skeenano.1: you keep interupting me
[19:21] doop: how am i interrupting you
[19:21] doop: you are choosing not to type
[19:22] doop: try making a complete thought
[19:22] Skeenano.1: all i said
[19:22] Skeenano.1: was that nobodys gonna pay for fgc league unless you give them something to pay for
[19:22] Skeenano.1: something that succeded in the past
[19:22] Skeenano.1: the cup didnt
[19:22] doop: would people pay for esg
[19:22] doop: if it was launched?
[19:22] Skeenano.1: they were gonna do a trial draft no?
[19:22] doop: no
[19:23] doop: they werent
[19:23] doop: and there has been several FG drafts
[19:23] doop: so the amount of FG events that have suceeded greatly outnumber
[19:23] doop: the one cup
[19:23] doop: that didnt finish
[19:24] doop: WOGL had several failed events
[19:24] doop: you do know that right?
[19:24] doop: people never recieved prizes from multiple wogl events
[19:25] doop: did they fail too
[19:25] Skeenano.1: wogl?
[19:25] doop: yes
[19:25] Skeenano.1: didnt the first season succeed?
[19:25] doop: no
[19:25] doop: we didnt recieve prizes
[19:25] Skeenano.1: you got your trip..
[19:25] doop: trip wasnt paid for by wogl
[19:25] doop: trip was done by z8games
[19:25] doop: wogl just ran the qualifier
[19:25] Skeenano.1: cooperation with wogl
[19:25] doop: no
[19:26] doop: wogl just provided the forums
[19:26] doop: and the anticheat
[19:26] doop: the money for the ticket
[19:26] doop: went to z8
[19:26] doop: not to wogl
[19:26] Skeenano.1: yeah...
[19:26] Skeenano.1: still a success
[19:26] doop: how?
[19:26] Skeenano.1: they provided a anticheat
[19:26] Skeenano.1: once you guys won
[19:26] doop: you mean to tell me
[19:26] doop: that them not checking
[19:26] doop: for people ringing
[19:26] doop: in the finals match
[19:26] Skeenano.1: z8 gave you guys the ticket
[19:26] doop: of a $1000 tournament
[19:26] doop: and a trip to china is a sucess?
[19:27] doop: LifeLine used ringers
[19:27] doop: in a match
[19:27] doop: a finals match
[19:27] doop: that was "reviewed"
[19:27] Skeenano.1: thats irrelvant
[19:27] doop: it is
[19:27] doop: seems pretty relevent to me
[19:27] Skeenano.1: dafuq?
[19:27] Skeenano.1: man your running circles around the arguemnt
[19:27] doop: there is no arguement
[19:27] doop: you are saying
[19:27] doop: that as long as a tournament finishs
[19:27] doop: it is a sucess
[19:28] Skeenano.1: yes.
[19:28] doop: so people cheating
[19:28] doop: is irrelevent?
[19:28] Skeenano.1: thats not on the success of the tournment
[19:28] Skeenano.1: thats on the admins -
lol a simple suggestion blown out of proportation
all i meant to say fg league will not be as successful that people want
because fg cup didnt finish.
and doop just went on talking about random **** unrelevant to the topic
this post gave me cancer -
lol a simple suggestion blown out of proportation
all i meant to say fg league will not be as successful that people want
because fg cup didnt finish.
and doop just went on talking about random **** unrelevant to the topic
You claim to be an expert on investing/business, yet you called an anticheat/website a subsidiary. -
i guess we'll wait and see.
I will be right.
i wasn't talking about whether or not you're right in regards to fg cups, leagues, etc failing but your logic behind why they would and your grammar was just atrocious.
someone find the cure! -
You claim to be an expert on investing/business, yet you called an anticheat/website a subsidiary.
derpaherp. Someone wasn't paying attention in business 101. (Not you doop). I am more interested in the code behind the anti-cheat personally. Hopefully it will be better than the o-so secretive lousy code of myanticheat -
lol a simple suggestion blown out of proportation
all i meant to say fg league will not be as successful that people want
because fg cup didnt finish.
and doop just went on talking about random **** unrelevant to the topic
"unrelevant" isn't even a word, neither is "proportation".
It's a good thing no one values your opinion or we would of disregarded the project entirely. -
Yes you're right, the only company within crossfire currently that has the funds and time to perfect a league and a working anti cheat with a stats system implemented for players with staff who are actually experienced and dedicated to being apart of the best thing to ever happen to crossfire isn't going to be successful. Spot on.
Maybe because you need to prove that you can make it happen somehow before claiming to be some organization with experienced staff and what not.
We all know in the end it will come down to the actual anti-cheat working properly or not. Maybe you should get the anti-cheat working, and be a 100% sure that you can get the stats working. If all that goes well, I'm sure tons of people will be up to pay the league fees!
And please, don't write everything in one sentence. It's a bit hard to read, especially when it comes from an experienced staff member
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pwnage2forum wrote: »Maybe because you need to prove that you can make it happen somehow before claiming to be some organization with experienced staff and what not.
We all know in the end it will come down to the actual anti-cheat working properly or not. Maybe you should get the anti-cheat working, and be a 100% sure that you can get the stats working. If all that goes well, I'm sure tons of people will be up to pay the league fees!
And please, don't write everything in one sentence. It's a bit hard to read, especially when it comes from an experienced staff member
Claiming to be some organization with experienced staff? Do you have any idea what frostgaming is?
"be a 100% sure" he says. Maybe you should realize it takes time to perfect an anti cheat. The whole idea is to get it 100% functional before releasing it to the public. That's what beta testing is for. You're stating what everyone already knew.
What does me ranting have to do with being experienced? I am begging somebody to actually think before they post. -
In-vest-ment
"the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.
Skeena, perhaps you should LEARN what the actual definition and meaning to it is. This has nothing to do with investments as you can see. I am a Chief Financial Officer for an INVESTMENT Company, ontop of a Law Specialist as well - I can hook you up with some online education programs that may fit your needs. -
i wasnt complaining, i was throwing in criticism, till nerds got hyped, saying i dont know what im talking about
You are in no way giving constructive criticism, the only thing you are doing is stating your opinion and throwing in invalid facts.first i prove your idiocy, then im obnoxious. im pretty sure slaya was an admin. Outside looking in, doesnt matter who did what.
Fg league will never happen
unless they prove that are capable of hosting a league, they shouldnt hold one.
Fact
best of luck though
Slaya was never an admin for FGC, the only people who participated with running the cup was Denxi and Doop.
You can say it as much as you want, but it is not true.if you took a business course, then you know what i am talking about.lol a simple suggestion blown out of proportation
all i meant to say fg league will not be as successful that people want
because fg cup didnt finish.
and doop just went on talking about random **** unrelevant to the topic
Basing the success of an entirely new project off of FGC which we had limited interaction with other than providing prizes/forum is absolutely idiotic.
I would consider listening to you if you had a valid opinion with ACTUAL facts but you do not and blatantly ignore any posts making what you're saying wrong. example:The first frost gaming cup didn't fail. I was a just over a week late getting playoffs out. The teams playing in the frost gaming cup refused to follow the format I put out there which meant I had to rescore every single match. It didn't help that a huge # of matches weren't played so I gave a "mercy" period for teams to play the matches before I gave both teams a FFL.
Slaya wasn't an admin for Frost Gaming Cup. I was the only admin. I ran the cup by myself. It would of been much easier if the teams playing followed the format I put up (like in the LPK cup which finished without 1 thing going wrong).
WOGL-Launch wasn't really that sucessful. A majority of the teams didn't even show up. WOGL Launch was a completely different event than WOGL-O/P S1. WOGL-Launch was a straight up single elimination tournament. The quarter finals -> finals were a bo3.
WOGL-P S1 had roughly 16 EU teams and around 32 NA teams who paid for the "ticket". Of those 48 teams only about 10 took it seriously. A majority died and forfeited. WOGL-O had about ~100 teams in it's bracket. A majority of our matchs were Forfeit Wins.
Frost Gaming Cup was ran out of an excel file on my computer. WOGL-Launch was a bracket. It is much easier to do a bracket styled tournament as record/points/rounds won/common opponents make no difference, you either advance or are eliminated. Frost gaming cup was a group play -> double elim bracket. Group play gets complicated fast, especially when there are odd number of groups and not the same number of teams between groups (community can't follow simple instructions). The first frost gaming cup was essentially the second LPK cup. My interest in Cross Fire died a few weeks before that cup, because WCG got canceled so LPK as a team didn't exist. I was a backup on HT and said I would run the cup for Jon.
Essentially all FG did was provide a forum for me to run the event out of and prizes for the winners. Everything else was handled by me. Also since a majority of the teams that were going to be in "Playoffs" were already dead or had completely different rosters than when rosters locked before the first match it was in the best interests to just cancel the cup all together. Maybe 4 teams had the same roster. It didn't really matter because the only decent team still alive was HT. At that time nobody would of been able to compete vs them.
I will clarify for you;
None of our company staff was involved in that cup, the only services we offered were the forum to manage signups/etc and prizes.
We never got to the point of giving out prizes and that was NOT our fault whatsoever.
Probably spot on, high five Falloutt!i think skeena took 1 AP econ class, probably failed it, and now thinks he belongs on the cover of forbes magazine, please ignore the moron.
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You are in no way giving constructive criticism, the only thing you are doing is stating your opinion and throwing in invalid facts.
Slaya was never an admin for FGC, the only people who participated with running the cup was Denxi and Doop.
You can say it as much as you want, but it is not true.
Basing the success of an entirely new project off of FGC which we had limited interaction with other than providing prizes/forum is absolutely idiotic.
I would consider listening to you if you had a valid opinion with ACTUAL facts but you do not and blatantly ignore any posts making what you're saying wrong. example:
I will clarify for you;
None of our company staff was involved in that cup, the only services we offered were the forum to manage signups/etc and prizes.
We never got to the point of giving out prizes and that was NOT our fault whatsoever.
Probably spot on, high five Falloutt!
Jon 2stronk! o.o You tell em! -
Claiming to be some organization with experienced staff? Do you have any idea what frostgaming is?
Yes, I have a pretty good idea of what frostgaming is. Your response stating 'do you have any idea of what frostgaming is' makes it sound like some multimillion dollar company, so I think you need to notch it down a bit."be a 100% sure" he says. Maybe you should realize it takes time to perfect an anti cheat. The whole idea is to get it 100% functional before releasing it to the public. That's what beta testing is for. You're stating what everyone already knew.
Secondly, did you even read my post? When I said 100%, I was talking about the stats being recorded, not the anti-cheat. I don't expect the anti-cheat to work right away, but as long as it works after the potential bugs are fixed I'm all for that.What does me ranting have to do with being experienced? I am begging somebody to actually think before they post.
It doesn't matter if people think or not when they post, you should always be professional in your responses. If you ever write to anyone that cares even a bit about professionalism, you'll notice that no matter what you write to them and how dumb your message to them may or may not be, they will always respond professionally. A good example of that would be [GM]Saidin on these forums even though he ain't as active and dodges a lot of questions but that's probably because he's busy. -
pwnage2forum wrote: »Yes, I have a pretty good idea of what frostgaming is. Your response stating 'do you have any idea of what frostgaming is' makes it sound like some multimillion dollar company, so I think you need to notch it down a bit.
It's not a multi-million dollar company but the owner of the company is a millionaire if that counts. -
Why are you arguing with them when they're trying to help the community out by giving us a league?
I'm totally up for it, as long as the anticheat ends up working right and the stats!It's not a multi-million dollar company but the owner of the company is a millionaire if that counts.
It counts if he's willing to spend millions on his company haha -
You are in no way giving constructive criticism, the only thing you are doing is stating your opinion and throwing in invalid facts.
Slaya was never an admin for FGC, the only people who participated with running the cup was Denxi and Doop.
You can say it as much as you want, but it is not true.
Basing the success of an entirely new project off of FGC which we had limited interaction with other than providing prizes/forum is absolutely idiotic.
I would consider listening to you if you had a valid opinion with ACTUAL facts but you do not and blatantly ignore any posts making what you're saying wrong. example:
I will clarify for you;
None of our company staff was involved in that cup, the only services we offered were the forum to manage signups/etc and prizes.
We never got to the point of giving out prizes and that was NOT our fault whatsoever.
Probably spot on, high five Falloutt!
you guys dont get it huh....
The cup was sponsored by FG, so its still a Fg product
The cup didnt finish
Highly doubt the league will be successful
you'll have maybe like 8-10 people pay you the $5 to try and run your league.
those 8-10 include people like doop and fallout, who both will be working for me in a few years.
The fact Frost Gaming cannot back up this league because all they have to back it up with is
"Very dedicated and proffesional admins."
oh and i thought chase was like 18-19... and hes a qualifed investor....
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