Serious discussion - What do you think? What do you want?
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Regardless of who started it, this conversation between the two of you is not helping this thread. Ignore each other before Polleus cleans it up.
He did that last thread, when I blew myawm away, making him look more like a fool than he already is.
But alright, I'm done with this imbecile. I've put in my opinion, good luck with whatever route you decide to go with Polleus. I look forward to playing in your league
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Don't call me child when my common sense and knowledge are light years ahead of where you will ever be.
Sure, everyones opinions on how it should go. All you are contributing is negativity. Not helping at all. You say your negative opinions about everyone besides yourself and don't back them up with any DECENT points.
what do you want me to back up moron? holy fk hop off. i don't even know who you are besides that you used to cheat and have an e-gf. just stop talking to me -
Datkidddddd wrote: »common sense: light years is a measure of speed not distance.
As defined by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), a light-year is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_years
It's pretty basic Datkid lmao. -
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I feel like first you should find out how many teams will actually play.
This, then work from there.
Honestly, i think you should have a Season 1 with every team that enters in one single division. Then from there teams that place well in season 1 could move up next season to P, and teams that didn't preform so well, could stay down.
Just my opinion^ -
He did that last thread, when I blew myawm away, making him look more like a fool than he already is.
But alright, I'm done with this imbecile. I've put in my opinion, good luck with whatever route you decide to go with Polleus. I look forward to playing in your league
i never made a fool of myself. you're an idiot -
As defined by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), a light-year is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_years
It's pretty basic Datkid lmao.
lol @ you coming at me with wikipedia definitions. -
Datkidddddd wrote: »This, then work from there.
Honestly, i think you should have a Season 1 with every team that enters in one single division. Then from there teams that place well in season 1 could move up next season to P, and teams that didn't preform so well, could stay down.
Just my opinion^
+1 That seems to sum up the general consensus of this thread. -
Suko, you're being insulting to MyAwm therefore causing MyAwm to come back at you. Your opinion is fine, without calling anyone stupid, idiotic, or a low-life. Keep the personal insults out of it and contribute to the topic at hand without being immature towards other people. Now.
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throneofGod wrote: »what do you want me to back up moron? holy fk hop off. i don't even know who you are besides that you used to cheat and have an e-gf. just stop talking to me
Back up that you are the best player in the game, and how everyone else is bad.
I don't have an e-gf. Stop saying that.
And I don't know who you are, other than a subpar ex-player that had an ego for no reason, and got made fun of by most people.
I will stop talking to you, bye. -
Datkidddddd wrote: »lol @ you coming at me with wikipedia definitions.
Sigh, I didn't feel like writing an essay about it to you. Ask any knowledgeable person that knows the subject, and they will tell you that it measures distance.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Suko, you're being insulting to MyAwm therefore causing MyAwm to come back at you. Your opinion is fine, without calling anyone stupid, idiotic, or a low-life. Keep the personal insults out of it and contribute to the topic at hand without being immature towards other people. Now.
^refer to my post above, I'm done with him. -
Back to the topic; I feel like we need to find out how many teams are actually going to play, before we decide to split up, or keep together.
How about we just designate a "Plan A" and a "Plan B" and just use whichever one depending on how many sign up. EG: Plan A is for fewer teams, and B is for a larger group. That way we don't have to bother with the "maybes" that "might" play if their team stays together long enough. -
Back to the topic; I feel like we need to find out how many teams are actually going to play, before we decide to split up, or keep together.
Let's assume we can pull together 32, between 2 week teams, decent teams, the teams that will win it, and the teams that will be coming over from other games because of a decent league, and the exposure from WCG.
8 teams for P, 24 for O, top 2 from O rotate the spot with bottom two from P -
Back up that you are the best player in the game, and how everyone else is bad.
I don't have an e-gf. Stop saying that.
And I don't know who you are, other than a subpar ex-player that had an ego for no reason, and got made fun of by most people.
I will stop talking to you, bye.
1.i'm obviously not the best. i was joking
2.i could care less. i never actually said anything when people were posting about it
3. you don't know who i am, yet you're making assumptions of how i play. people who were trolling me were merely trolling and know i'm far better than sub-par
4.k bye -
Back to the topic; I feel like we need to find out how many teams are actually going to play, before we decide to split up, or keep together.
no matter the teams.
splitting them up is helping the weaker teams in no way, shape, or form.
yea yea, you can practice on your on time, but a season or 2 with all of the teams meshed up(no matter the number of teams) will help figure out 2 things, the amount of competitive teams we still have, and the amount of teams that can keep up with the big dogs and place. -
this is what i suggested to polleus via xfire:
first esg event, you run a season (not a placement tournament) with one division. every team that makes playoffs gets bumped to the pro/invite division for next season. while playoffs are going on or during the off season you also run a placement tournament of all the teams that didn't make playoffs. depending how many teams are signed up, you bump some of those teams to the pro/invite division also.
for season 2, you run the two seperate divisions. at the end of the season, you boot any teams that went inactive. depending on how many teams went inactive in each division, you bump teams from open, demote teams from pro.
ez -
Let's assume we can pull together 32, between 2 week teams, decent teams, the teams that will win it, and the teams that will be coming over from other games because of a decent league, and the exposure from WCG.
8 teams for P, 24 for O, top 2 from O rotate the spot with bottom two from P
Sounds great, assuming we get that many teams.. I'd say Micks idea is the best so far. -
I like Mick's idea if we don't have as many teams.
But if we had a full 32 man season I would rather just have a 8/24 rotation.
That could work too, but with micks idea you could weed out the 2 week teams, and the inactive ones that are more then likely to break up or go inactive during the next season.
then again, not like they won't make a new 2 week team/ go inactive again anyways.
meh
edit, muffin what's your xfire? drenvc is mine. -
this is what i suggested to polleus via xfire:
first esg event, you run a season (not a placement tournament) with one division. every team that makes playoffs gets bumped to the pro/invite division for next season. while playoffs are going on or during the off season you also run a placement tournament of all the teams that didn't make playoffs. depending how many teams are signed up, you bump some of those teams to the pro/invite division also.
for season 2, you run the two seperate divisions. at the end of the season, you boot any teams that went inactive. depending on how many teams went inactive in each division, you bump teams from open, demote teams from pro.
ez
top dog idea there mate.
hopefully this is going to be what happens.. -
I like Mick's idea if we don't have as many teams.
But if we had a full 32 man season I would rather just have a 8/24 rotation.
that could be fine, but what happens if you get say 64 teams? are you going to go 16/48? or do you still put a cap on invite? is the cap still @ 8? etc etc... -
that could be fine, but what happens if you get say 64 teams? are you going to go 16/48? or do you still put a cap on invite? is the cap still @ 8? etc etc...
At that point there would be two options, either 16/48 and rotate the bottom/top 4. (scales with players)
OR add an IM division which is what generally happens. Although that is a bit stupid in my opinion. -
[11:57] Polleus: I think it's a good idea. Here's why:
If we split up divisions too early, we don't provide any "barrier" for bad-average teams to get better. What happened in WOGL-O/ESL-O and then respective P divisions.....
[11:57] Polleus: the O teams continued to be bad
[11:57] Polleus: and the P teams just left them in the dust
[11:58] Polleus: We keep it to one division
[11:58] Polleus: We develop a CORE group of good teams
[11:58] Polleus: eventually
[11:59] DatMuffin.nimu: The reality of that is it's still the good teams that are going win regardless.
[12:00] DatMuffin.nimu: If we put all of the teams in one divison the good teams will just win it over and over anyway.
[12:00] DatMuffin.nimu: If we split it up the good teams fight it out like they usually do, and the bad/average teams battle it out,
[12:00] DatMuffin.nimu: The only skill gap comes from who they practice against, not match day.
[12:01] DatMuffin.nimu: This isn't source. Everyone scrims each other in echo-8 regardless.
[12:01] DatMuffin.nimu: Whether we put them together or seperate there will still be a skill gap, unless I'm misunderstanding the point.
[12:02] Polleus: [12:58] doop: issue from NOT separating the good from the bad
[12:58] doop: is the bad teams will get stomped
[12:59] doop: but if you separate them the bad teams wont get better
[12:02] DatMuffin.nimu: How will they not get better? That's the dumbest thing I've heard. P and O still scrim each other in echo 8, they still practice together.
[12:03] DatMuffin.nimu: One match doesn't determine a skill gap.
[12:03] DatMuffin.nimu: They don't PRACTICE and get better in leagues.
[12:06] Polleus: Well, I think his main point is the fact that if we separate them too early, just like ESL did.... We end up with an unpredictable group of teams in our Main division. We don't want where every other game is a forfeit in the Main division. WOGL and ESL were the same way. There IS something to be said about banking on teams early.
[12:07] DatMuffin.nimu: That I understand, that is STABILITY. Not SKILL.
[12:07] DatMuffin.nimu: That's just a matter of not having a bunch of randy 2 week teams.
[12:08] Polleus: Yep. The skill gap is already there. However, in the interest of building stability, do we want to bank on teams into a Main division so early without having proved themselves stable enough of a Main division.... THAT is my concern.
We want to establish the Main division as a privilege to teams who have earned it, not just through beating the HUGE field of bad teams we have in CF.
[12:08] DatMuffin.nimu: I didn't say having a single division up first was a bad thing, I kinda like the idea. But the logic he used for it was flawed.
if scrims are the same as matches, how come echo 8 stars didn't go to wcg, win wogl/esl, or go to wem?
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