Why the clan server is bad.

nnipple wrote: »

You said please so why not.

Not intentionally ofcourse. Until you get used to the idea of FF, you/we will still throw nades thinking it won't damage a team mate as much.
Or when you happen to spray at someone and a team mate crosses your path. Team kill.
There could be a lot of intentionally situations where it can make people rage, innit.

nnipple wrote: »

Also, someone above mentioned that it's more realistic if there was FF.
Well, it is not (I think). We are playing as highly trained special forces SAS, SPOP, OMOH, SWAT and a Black Guy. They would never manage to shoot their own team, however they can't help if a nade slips out which is what the game is currently implementing.

GRcapeman wrote: »

very nice essay! im sure Saladin and the Mods will be happy :rolleyes:

JudgeSim wrote: »

to me there seems to be many more hackers/glitchers in clan beta.

you have to sit there and get humiliated until 18 rounds are finished to get the replay.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

The most common method of two teams playing a formal match against each other is to go to the clan server. The clan server is good in a couple ways, but ultimately does more things wrong than right. This article is mostly my own opinion but I think its what the game needs.

First, the short list of what the clan server does right:

-Forces room name to be the name of the clan.
-Auto switches at half time.
-Forces even teams.


Things the clan server does wrong:
(Some of these might require changes to the game)

- Can't rejoin at halftime or during the game.

Things happen. Not everyone out there has the best equipment and the game itself is often buggy and crashes at random. By locking out a player for the rest of the game you've taken what might have been a good close 5v5 and made it a waste of time 5v4. No matter what the outcome is neither team is going to be happy. Also, sometimes people have off days, or they have to go due to something urgent in their life. I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed for a member from the same clan to join in at halftime.

tl;dr: If someone drops or has their game crash, let them rejoin during the half. If someone else from the clan wants to join, let them join at halftime.

- Spawns are fixed.

When you spawn on the first round of the half, thats where you'll spawn for the rest of the half. This means that if you're playing at B and you spawn far away from it, you'll always get there late. With the consistent spawning it puts teams at a disadvantage and its not something that you can plan for. If you're on offense and you have to most god awful spawn that puts you so far away from A site, how can you rush A? The defense will always beat you to those choke points. A random spawn system adds more strategic depth to the game and ensures competitive balance.

- Round times are too long

I've spoken to many competitive players about this and we've all come to the same conclusion. 2:30(:25, w/e) is far too much time for a single round. The game plays slow enough as it is, rarely do teams run out of time. At times its just boring to play, let alone spectate as the last remaining attacker walks all the way from long A to B site on Black Widow in order to plant. A shorter time would be much better, and perhaps 10 or so seconds of "freeze time" so that teams can coordinate on vent or type in team chat. I would suggest 1:45 of playing time and :10 seconds of freeze time at the start of the round. Its not a major change, just start the round with 1:55 instead of 2:30.

- No friendly fire

Does anyone go into the clan server intending to lose? Even awful games like Combat Arms have friendly fire enabled in their clan server. Other versions of CF allow a checkbox for pubs to have friendly fire. No reason why our version shouldn't have it enabled on the clan server. It forces players to pay more attention to the game instead of just spraying bullets at anything that moves. Full team damage should be enabled.

Besides, then we can make cool videos like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ_L24XMn-0

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All I can come up with right now. I understand that there may be internal company politics that prevent things from being changed but uh...yerp.


If you have any thing else to add, type it up nice and I'll edit it into my thread.


-Bruce[oL]

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

Long times in GM are fine as the ghosts have no choice but to play like nerds when GR gets control of the bomb. IMO GM isn't competitive the begin with.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

The point is that if you're playing a serious match on the clan server then you wouldn't be trying to kill each other to begin with. Its a non-issue.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

http://www.themovievault.net/video/lollipops


Pretty cool movie about teamkilling + other random stuff in 1.6 matches. Good watch for sure.


And Luck, stop jocking my topic and handle biz with me on IRC.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

What I wish they would do is just apply this ruleset to one channel out of the server.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

Interesting concept but that leaves too much room for debate. Something standard across all maps is best. At worst that means that some maps will have to be played a bit faster.

2:30 just allows way too much time.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

I imagine 3 grenades would do some damage as things are right now.



But still, friendly fire would just make the game feel more natural and competitive.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

"Yo man these kids slow play man watch ima go grab my coke from the fridge and they'll still be in spawn."

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

Mennnnnnnnnnnnn,


I want full damage pull no punches Friendly Fire.

How many huge rounds in games such as counter strike (And I hate to keep going back there I really do) have been changed by a stray bullet?

If your team keeps shooting you then scrim with FF off. I don't want it MANDATORY, I want it to be a checkbox option.


Everything else (timer, random spawns) should be mandatory.


Also I'd like to add that the removal of your opponents name popping up when you put your crosshair on them would allow for the effective use for flash and smoke grenades not to mention open up some more spots for people to play.

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

^lol


-Allow joining at half
Anyone from the clan or just the same player?

-Adjust Round timer
1:45 sound good? Do we want 10 seconds of "strat time" 1:55?

-Friendly fire
Full? Half?

-Random spawns
Enough said really.


-Remove names showing up when the crosshair is near the model.
Would allow smoke grenades and flashbangs to work as advertised. Also you wouldn't be able to spot people hiding at corners and stuff just by pointing your crosshair there.


Give me some more input on this stuff as I believe I've narrowed it down...

1nRRRRRRRRRR wrote: »

Also would get rid of http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=54050

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

There's some good stuff in here. Definitely worth considering and working towards getting in the game.

A couple things, the friendly fire should be an option to turn on or off. I like the idea and should be something easier to get in the game over reconnecting at halfway point. Which is also a good suggestion.

We'll also look into round times. Perhaps a survey here can be made to check to see what people think of different times for the rounds.


Please continue discussion here about ideas for the clan server. We'll keep monitoring this for other good ideas.

I want full damage pull no punches Friendly Fire.

How many huge rounds in games such as counter strike (And I hate to keep going back there I really do) have been changed by a stray bullet?