The Scar Light
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CookieMunzta wrote: »Agreed, I've given up debating with that kid, as he only takes his own points and opinions into account.
Who got banned? Purrps?![:\](https://forum.z8games.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
See sig~Opinionated wrote: »Thanks for responding to my responses to you, and being polite about it.
I've done nothing disrespectful in this entire thread, and all I've been getting is insults. I don't even know why I try to actually discuss thing with this community.
I never said anything insulting.
oops My first comment contradicts my second. oh well
this thread is just getting no where. should be closed. -
Opinionated wrote: »Thanks for responding to my responses to you, and being polite about it.
I've done nothing disrespectful in this entire thread, and all I've been getting is insults. I don't even know why I try to actually discuss thing with this community.
Actually, and to be honest, you were very disrespectful.
You went as far to stop replying to Capeman's opinions because they didn't exactly agree with your own opinion.
Good for you that you like the Skill Light that much to block out everyone elses opinion and replace them with your own. But please, stop telling people to go back and reread, that's whats in most of your posts in this thread anyway. -
Opinionated wrote: »Thanks for responding to my responses to you, and being polite about it.
I've done nothing disrespectful in this entire thread, and all I've been getting is insults. I don't even know why I try to actually discuss thing with this community.
It feel effort to reply to you, since you just don't wanna listen.
The reason people are insulting you (though I haven't seen anything I'd define as 'insult') is because it's impossible to take you seriously. -
CookieMunzta wrote: »It feel effort to reply to you, since you just don't wanna listen.
The reason people are insulting you (though I haven't seen anything I'd define as 'insult') is because it's impossible to take you seriously.
Agreed. and also I haven't seen a single person agree with him, he is being disagreed with left and right by everyone. so his argument is obviously not convincing at all. -
Max_Skillz wrote: »Agreed. and also I haven't seen a single person agree with him, he is being disagreed with left and right by everyone. so his argument is obviously not convincing at all.
I'm siding with him.
May not be enough, but I understand his point now after reading the whole thread twice. -
facts, opinions, and assumptions
Fact: Scar light used to have tremendous power which it still does, pinpoint accuracy on the first shot (it still does), little recoil in a predictable pattern (now nerfed to have a spread about 1.25 times its original size and a much more random pattern), and light weight, which it still does. By the way, to calculate the spread radius, I had an old ss of the old SL, and a new one, and I divided radii of spread, from center (i knew by the crosshair where the center was), and got 1.24867 as my result. (This was quite a run on sentence sorry.) Unfortunately, I can not post the SS for people to determine because they are printouts... and i don't have a scanner...
Opinion: SL is overpowered because its recoil is still low, its random spray makes it quite like an m16 where headshots come by luck while spraying, and it requires a "general area" aim to kill. The random spray is in a sense like an m60 where if you have groups of rushers clumped together, you can spray away and get some fresh bones before you have to cover. I now propose a scenario (by the way i stopped playing CF, so i may have some terminology wrong, but i played since early 2009 to early 2010, so I'm still quite credible.): Map: 4v4 BW. BL (terrorists) split, 2 down cat, 1 long a, 1 mid, to narrow chances of being flanked. GR go early rush to B. After about 15 seconds of camping out, they take to BL base, and through to long A. They are at about middle of long A, and heres the BL setup: 1 in window. 2 in cat hiding behind pillars. 1 behind the 3 boxes near train. All players have SL's on BL side. As GR reach platform A, BL come out of hiding and start prefiring in the general direction of footsteps. The guy behind train takes out the closest guy before he is killed by the other two who are slightly further back. The two guys in cat take out those two GRs, while suffering heavy damage from the nade tactics cat campers are so prone to. The last GR throws a nade and by luck kills both guys in cat. The guy in window has now dropped down under cat-bridge. The final GR is at stairs (higher ground on plat) and the BL kills him by a simple 4 shot- spray. GG GR.
Okay, that was a big paragraph. Time to explain. I gave the GR a few fresh bones, hypothesizing they had a higher degree of skill than the BL, and assuming the two BL players in cat were all the way near the stairs inside cat for cover. This made them prone to nades. Fast forward to the final battle. The GR has the higher ground, giving him more cover against bullets, and making it harder for the BL to shoot. However, the scar light's dynamics of random spray cause this general area luck, which allows the user to get off quick accurate 4 shot sprays, in very small spread. GG.
Assumption: The scar light is no longer the RnG gun it used to be, and now is a stationary, crouch shooter. The scar light is no longer as powerful, since in the past i have taken 4 chest shots, not 3, to kill. The players using the scar light have a decent degree of skill (reflexes are good, hearing is proper, sight is perceptive and distinctive.
Final words: It all boils down to the player. If people like to be well-rounded, Scar Light is for them. If they want a certain specialty, it is not. That is kind of an end-all-be-all statement, but players make these subtle "jack-of-all-trades OR capital specialty" decisions subconsciously, so it is very unnoticeable. As my final words: FIRING 4 SHOTS IN SUCCESSION IS NOT A BURST, THAT IS A BRIEF SPRAY. 3 SHOTS IS REALLY A BURST, AND 2 SHOTS IS A BRIEF BURST. Sprays have at least one inaccurate bullet. Bursts have all accurate bullets. I found out the hard way using an M4. 4-shotting with an M4 required me to crouch on the third shot to get all 4 shots accurate. -
I'm siding with him.
May not be enough, but I understand his point now after reading the whole thread twice.
Don't get me wrong, I understand his points and opinions, but they're just that, like my own are. The point is, if he wants a serious debate with people, he's going about it completely the wrong way. -
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The Scarlight was considered overpowered since the moment it came out, way before WOGL banned it from their league. It's just a commonly agreed fact among great players that this gun is TOO easy to use. The damage is good, the recoil is low, the spread is nice aswell. Heck, the only bad thing about it is that it sounds like sht. Some good people from the competitive side of CF become admins for WOGL and basically just shut that weapon out.
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The Scarlight was considered overpowered since the moment it came out, way before WOGL banned it from their league. It's just a commonly agreed fact among great players that this gun is TOO easy to use. The damage is good, the recoil is low, the spread is nice aswell. Heck, the only bad thing about it is that it sounds like sht. Some good people from the competitive side of CF become admins for WOGL and basically just shut that weapon out.
Your simply repeating whats already been said. please read the thread before posting. -
Sure let me read through 17 pages of walls of text.
Or I can state my idea and you don't need to read it if it's already been said.
Or you can read the first few pages to get an idea in your head, then state your idea with less stated things that have been said already. -
Sure let me read through 17 pages of walls of text.
Or I can state my idea and you don't need to read it if it's already been said.
I only see 5 pages ;P
And the guy originally starting the thread requested that you not post without reading. Which makes sense, there is no reason to spam the thread with the same stuff over and over again. if you don't want to read the whole thread, don't post. -
You keep going back to this whole concept of 'teamplay' and 'team game'. You can argue how much it is solo an how much is teamwork, but the fact is that the team is comprised of individuals.
If you want to compare it to anything, compare it to an RTS. Micro is the individual player and macro is the team. Calling a FPS game as only a team game is the equivalent of calling an RTS only macro. This isn't a game where there are set rules, a single player can take an entire team out with 1 hp. Therefore, you can't have guns that enable people to disregard things such as recoil, movement and aiming. Reaction and hand-eye coordination are a big part of the game, but they are not everything for a player.
Even in your post you put emphasis on THE INDIVIDUAL. You incorporated the individual into team play later, but if you actually read what you wrote you will see that you are contradicting yourself.
tl;dr - Stop using 'team play' as an excuse for an overpowered weapon. Its like saying, "If everyone wall hacked then it would be fair because you could focus more on playing with your team instead of having to actually be good."
Honestly, end this stupid thread. -
Actually, and to be honest, you were very disrespectful.
You went as far to stop replying to Capeman's opinions because they didn't exactly agree with your own opinion.
Good for you that you like the Skill Light that much to block out everyone elses opinion and replace them with your own. But please, stop telling people to go back and reread, that's whats in most of your posts in this thread anyway.
Why should I respond to someone who calls me a ****** and doesn't bother to actually answer my points?CookieMunzta wrote: »It feel effort to reply to you, since you just don't wanna listen.
The reason people are insulting you (though I haven't seen anything I'd define as 'insult') is because it's impossible to take you seriously.CookieMunzta wrote: »Don't get me wrong, I understand his points and opinions, but they're just that, like my own are. The point is, if he wants a serious debate with people, he's going about it completely the wrong way.
I responded to you. You didn't read it. FYI my response was in your quote in blue lettering, in case you didn't realize.You keep going back to this whole concept of 'teamplay' and 'team game'. You can argue how much it is solo an how much is teamwork, but the fact is that the team is comprised of individuals.
If you want to compare it to anything, compare it to an RTS. Micro is the individual player and macro is the team. Calling a FPS game as only a team game is the equivalent of calling an RTS only macro. This isn't a game where there are set rules, a single player can take an entire team out with 1 hp. Therefore, you can't have guns that enable people to disregard things such as recoil, movement and aiming. Reaction and hand-eye coordination are a big part of the game, but they are not everything for a player.
Even in your post you put emphasis on THE INDIVIDUAL. You incorporated the individual into team play later, but if you actually read what you wrote you will see that you are contradicting yourself.
tl;dr - Stop using 'team play' as an excuse for an overpowered weapon. Its like saying, "If everyone wall hacked then it would be fair because you could focus more on playing with your team instead of having to actually be good."
Honestly, end this stupid thread.
Honestly, the entire thing was to accurately gauge how the community would react to a specific situation. The guy who asked me to do this thinks it's enough, so I'll stop. IMO this isn't enough of the community to base a decision off of, but w/e, not my decision.
It was also a way for me to test the ability of the community to respond to and kind of controversial argument with raging, flaming, or any real offense. Apperantly they can't. But then again, as I stated before, it's not really enough to make an accurate judgment.
MODs, feel free to close this. If anyone wants to continue the mock debate, for what ever reason, then PM me. -
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Daggggggggggggg wrote: »OMFG you totally stole my arguement
Remember when we were talking about this, YOU STOLE ALL MY POINTS
You also completely abandoned your previous point of view.
nerd.
The entire thing was a mock discussion, read my previous post =\
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