The Scar Light
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That doesn't change the fact the article is one of the most well-written posts on the subject. I've actually had the post bookmarked since it was written because it's a damn good post. Whether he's banned or not doesn't change anything.
Anyways, back on topic.
Scar-l isn't competitive because it's overpowered, as others have said. The first, what is it?, 4 bullets are on target when spraying? The gun has very little recoil, a decent rof, does a good deal of damage, and a fast reload. It's a gun that performs above-average or the best in every stat, with no disadvantage.
The gun simply isn't balanced with the rest of the guns. That alone makes it fairly uncompetitive.
Now, obviously, competition isn't based on who shoots the best. It isn't about who can use their gun better. The reason scar-l isn't competitive though is because it almost completely eliminates shooting skill from the equation because the gun is so simple and overpowered to use. Removing any element of skill reduces the competitiveness of the match. You're instantly giving that user an advantage by removing a skill element (controlling the gun, since it's recoil is so low and dps so high).
If you suck, you suck. The people you were playing probably had no gamesense what so ever. The people who tend to have scarl/spop/armor tend to be ones who depend on zp instead of skill.
Hehe...i said the same thing ^^. I've seen Majors with Scars. They even fail with it. Maybe im 2 gud? (lol show off) xD
I've never had a problem against the Scar. I agree it might be easier to use, that's why i sold it. Too easy--too boring. Everytime i fight against scar people, they tend to suck or im just too gud :PPPPPPPPPPPPP
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K2 has an extremely long reload and is one of the slowest ROF for rifles. That is what makes it accurate.
The Scar Light was changed and is still a spray gun. Even when not used for spraying its cool down gives it the ability to strafe and burst 4 bullets faster than any other gun without suffering from any recoil. Running and spraying with the gun is, as with any gun, more luck at longer range.
The xm8 should be taken out until its wallbang is fixed, along with any other gun that has full damage through boxes. This has been discussed before.
Also, you can spray like mad with the Scar Light, especially in "Competitive Play". Infact, that is what some players could do so well even at longer ranges which is why it was OP.
If you haven't seen any discussion on it, especially in the WOGL section, then you can't use the search function very well.
When the Kriss first came out, no one cared either. It took about a month before people finally understood that you could pretty much use the Kriss as a slightly weak rifle long range and beast spray gun short range. Also, I remember discussions about the Scar Light being to strong even in Suba forums.
You obviously can't understand what i'm talking about so let me help you out. In MW2, every single gun is point, click and hold. You don't even half to move down on your mouse, even at extremely long range. I personally don't like that style, but that is the way the game is made. Same goes for Halo, that is the style of the game. CrossFire, however, is not Halo nor is it MW2. A gun that allows you to essentially focus more on just flicking your mouse and holding down the tirgger, opposed to worrying more about recoil does not fit in this game.
Same reason the m12 and Kriss are deemed easy guns to use. Should you whine and complain about people using the gun in a pub or even Pug? No. Same way you shouldn't complain about Spop or Kriss either.
This argument is the same reta.rded crap I read the first day armor was introduced to the game. A bunch of players that don't know what they are talking about denying what people who know what they are talking about are saying.
End this stupid thread. The gun can't be nerfed or else it will be to bad, it needs another fundamental change that changes the way its used. (This will obviously never happen). Until that day comes, it will be a gun that is ridiculed for being to easy to use. Get over it.
Please link me to threads with valid discussion without obsession of the ability to aim that didn't degenerate into flame.
You're obsessing over the fact that the gun is easy to aim with.
And the moment the Kriss came out, everyone I knew, that being a big chunk of the competitive community, agreed it was stupid.
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Rank means nothing other than who nolifes the game more.
Yeah true. Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is that if people see others do really good with guns like the scar, they think it's over powered. Which is stupid. Just get better and you won't give a !!!! about it. -
Opinionated wrote: »Why is it bad? How does it degrade "competitive play?"
Post an actual argument please, I won't respond to idiocy =\Opinionated wrote: »Whether or not it is an easy gun is not the point of this thread. This discussion assumes that those responding realize that "skill" is barely made up of aim. Any argument for the gun being easy is invalid.
According to your first post how easy then gun is has everything to do with the thread. Because it's easy to use.Metal_Dragon wrote: »If the person sucks. He sucks. Scar light sucks if he sucks. I've never seen a Scar light user end a game with a kdr of 3.0. Ever.
Because most the players who are actually good don't use the scar l in light of everyone calling it a noob cannon. Like i said, I could care less myself.Metal_Dragon wrote: »
Banned. And hell.
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Except, the scar-l is overpowered, regardless of how good you are. It's unbalanced compared to the rest of the guns in cf. Stop acting that just because you think you're good, means none of the guns are OP.Metal_Dragon wrote: »Yeah true. Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is that if people see others do really good with guns like the scar, they think it's over powered. Which is stupid. Just get better and you won't give a !!!! about it. -
Except, the scar-l is overpowered, regardless of how good you are. It's unbalanced compared to the rest of the guns in cf. Stop acting that just because you think you're good, means none of the guns are OP.
Dude...i was joking...I'm just tired of people complaining about it. It's easy to use. Not over powered. -
Max_Skillz wrote: »According to your first post how easy then gun is has everything to do with the thread. Because it's easy to use.
Is it not possible that, by allowing a gun that will take the focus off of aiming, we will increase the level of competitive play?
Read the discussion I had with Malte on the Skill article, then post again if you still don't see what I'm getting at. -
Except, the scar-l is overpowered, regardless of how good you are. It's unbalanced compared to the rest of the guns in cf. Stop acting that just because you think you're good, means none of the guns are OP.
He's been presented opinions on the gun... -
Opinionated wrote: »Is it not possible that, by allowing a gun that will take the focus off of aiming, we will increase the level of competitive play?
Read the discussion I had with Malte on the Skill article, then post again if you still don't see what I'm getting at.
Thats so true...
If we didn't have guns that are so easy to use, where's the competitiveness of the game then? The fun!! Crossfire would be so boring without it. I don't know about you guys, but when i Bhop with my deagle to a Scar light user, i get adrenaline cause it's kinda hard to rush at them -
Metal_Dragon wrote: »Thats so true...
If we didn't have guns that are so easy to use, where's the competitiveness of the game then? The fun!! Crossfire would be so boring without it. I don't know about you guys, but when i Bhop with my deagle to a Scar light user, i get adrenaline cause it's kinda hard to rush at them
You've contradicted yourself a few times now.
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My take on the scarlight.
1) It is considered OP (over powered) because any random pub nub AND/OR skilled player can pick it up and do well with it. Same concept as m12s.
2) It has a high ROF unlike other guns such as k2 (which is a accepted gun by most the community)
3) It has a very fast reload unlike an aug (which is accepted by the community)
4)Low recoil, small spread unlike almost every gun that is accepted by the community.
Guns are unaccepted by the community because they have little to no disadvantages and can be picked up by any random person with any random ping 1-500 and get kills w/ almost no concern.
Go ahead pick it apart, I know you will.
edit: read the thread, my opinion's still stand. -
You clearly aren't reading my posts, since I already explained how it's OP.Metal_Dragon wrote: »Dude...i was joking...I'm just tired of people complaining about it. It's easy to use. Not over powered.
Stop posting in this thread, you're clearly not competent enough to argue in it.
No, because it turns everyone into Han Solo. Whoever shoots first wins. Aim is still a skill. Removing skill from a game doesn't make it more competitive.Opinionated wrote: »Is it not possible that, by allowing a gun that will take the focus off of aiming, we will increase the level of competitive play?
Hell, why don't we just give everyone an aimbot? That way, the only skill that will matter is facing in the right general direction of an opponent (within 60 degrees), and positioning. That will surely make it more competitive. -
Opinionated wrote: »I heard arguing with someone about a topic they aren't even talking about to raise your self esteem is cool.
Oh wait. . .
Sarcasm is hard to perceive.
Not raising my self esteem, thanks for the thought though.
Also, didn't mean to interject, continue with your thoughts on a blatantly easy gun. -
Opinionated wrote: »Is it not possible that, by allowing a gun that will take the focus off of aiming, we will increase the level of competitive play?
Read the discussion I had with Malte on the Skill article, then post again if you still don't see what I'm getting at.
I have read that thread, and posted in it. And the only way you would "increase" the level of skilled competitiveness. Once again points to making everyone use the same gun. -
No I'm not reading this whole damn thread.
Then I'm not reading your argument. I addressed people who aren't reading everything earlier.
No, because it turns everyone into Han Solo. Whoever shoots first wins. Aim is still a skill. Removing skill from a game doesn't make it more competitive.
Hell, why don't we just give everyone an aimbot? That way, the only skill that will matter is facing in the right general direction of an opponent (within 60 degrees), and positioning. That will surely make it more competitive.
A) Han Solo didn't shoot first =\
Adding the SL isn't removing aim. It's making it easier to do. Just because something is easy to do doesn't mean it's removed entirely. All it means is that more stress is placed on teamwork and positioning, as it changes the defining factors. -
Opinionated wrote: »Then I'm not reading your argument. I addressed people who aren't reading everything earlier.
A) Han Solo didn't shoot first =\ Adding the SL isn't removing aim. It's making it easier to do. Just because something is easy to do doesn't mean it's removed entirely. All it means is that more stress is placed on teamwork and positioning, as it changes the defining factors.
K I'll read the thread and edit what is needed. -
I'm not your personal army. Search for it yourself, there are plenty of threads there.
The rules aren't going to change seeing how most people enjoy the ban of the Scar Light. You obviously love your beloved gun, so go play in your pubs with it. When it comes to WOGL, then drop it and pick up another gun. If its as you say, and the Scar Light doesn't enable you to get kills you shouldn't have gotten, then enjoy being good.
Otherwise, gtfo. End this stupid thread. -
I'm not your personal army. Search for it yourself, there are plenty of threads there.
I already said I had looked, and not found any that weren't filled with flame and incomplete discussion.
The rules aren't going to change seeing how most people enjoy the ban of the Scar Light. You obviously love your beloved gun, so go play in your pubs with it. When it comes to WOGL, then drop it and pick up another gun. If its as you say, and the Scar Light doesn't enable you to get kills you shouldn't have gotten, then enjoy being good.
Otherwise, gtfo. End this stupid thread.
Thanks for responding without insults. I really enjoy it when people actually try to further discussion.
I'm going to bed, please keep posting everyone. Also, please read the thread before you do. I'll respond to every valid argument tomorrow :P -
Opinionated wrote: »A) Han Solo didn't shoot first =\ Adding the SL isn't removing aim. It's making it easier to do. Just because something is easy to do doesn't mean it's removed entirely. All it means is that more stress is placed on teamwork and positioning, as it changes the defining factors.
Han shot first.i dont mind the scar light, its the m12 and tommy i hate... you still have to AIM with the scar light... if u want the kill, u have to do the burst/spray and keep the spray down... i dont use it cuz of all the QQ, but its a gun, you mad?
The scarl doesnt require aim though. It requires you to point in the random general vicinity and hold down the trigger. If you crosshair moves over your opponent, you hit, plain and simple. The gun has little recoil and spread.
The tommy isn't competitive either, not going to explain that. The m12s sacrifices damage for speed, you have to hit more to do the same damage.
Making it easier to do anything isn't a part of being competitive. We shouldn't be trying to hold a player's hand just because they can't build up the skill otherwise to be competitive. -
falloutttt wrote: »i could say the same about the k2 or xm8, it's mostly because of wogl deemed it being a noob gun which convinced most people to think of it as a noob cannon, if that happened to the k2, it would be the same story.
people dont want to deal with being called a scrub lite noob so they use the next easiest gun, the K2, which i like to call scrub jr.
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