Z8games Give the UK a chance PETITION
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JoshBritish wrote: »No one cares, except the pubstars that are too bad for CF EU and have to stay here and try and form competition. UK players can't play EU and that's what this thread is about.
We'll i dont play EU servers but just reading the thread with some points of lack of competition for these servers gave me the idea to host one for you guys. Just let the top EU teams here dominate the game. Who knows. -
0Reflexion0 wrote: »Right, I think you should re-read the first post.
I never once said we are allowed to play EU, we are not.
I am reading from the first post to get caught up with the discussion. As soon as I return to my computer I could quote the selected parts from a more mrs cent post of yours on this thread. But it is of small significance.
This is certainly an interesting discussion. -
Yeah, I'll release all the info here; in the next hour or 2 it should be up.
It's nice of you to organise a tournament, but that is just not the point of this topic but to quote Josh:
"No one cares, except the pubstars that are too bad for CF EU and have to stay here and try and form competition. UK players can't play EU and that's what this thread is about. "
The UK servers are pointless, and competition here is pointless. I'm sorry but it's true. Sure it can be fun playing here from time to time, and the guys who run tournaments here do a good job. BUT it's fine for them, because if ever they felt they wanted to compete at a higher level they can just hop on over to CF EU. And players who are actually from the UK cannot, because as I stated many times before our country is pinned to these servers because of their name and nothing more. -
We'll i dont play EU servers but just reading the thread with some points of lack of competition for these servers gave me the idea to host one for you guys. Just let the top EU teams here dominate the game. Who knows.
There's no way it could work well, the UK players need to mix with the EU'S so they're able to:
#1 Get competitively good again
#2 Find teammates
#3 Be able to compete
#4 Bring older players back
#5 Bring in new players
Even if let's say, CF EU teams came to play on a UK server tournament there would need to be a cash prize.
If they did, we still wouldn't have a team or competitive experience (I do, but no one else here does and it's unfair that there's no way to start competing professionally along with being split up from the rest of Europe. I wouldn't even mind paying an entree fee. -
I'm just going to give some examples that explain my point in another way.
One person from England, played in CF NA with a team who also played and practiced in the NA servers because of the lack of competition in the UK servers, so they competed in tournaments for NA and scrims in NA. However, when they entered the qualifier for CFStars they found that even if they win it is pointless because only players from NA are allowed to compete for this version.
Then, another player from England also competes in a CF Stars qualifier, but this time in CF EU. He is told during the CF Stars Qualifier that if his team won he would have to be replaced because he is from the UK and it is against GameRage's rules to allow UK players because Z8Games owns the license.
So basically, british players are screwed over, no wonder there are so few british players still around in this game. -
0Reflexion0 wrote: »I'm just going to give some examples that explain my point in another way.
One person from England, played in CF NA with a team who also played and practiced in the NA servers because of the lack of competition in the UK servers, so they competed in tournaments for NA and scrims in NA. However, when they entered the qualifier for CFStars they found that even if they win it is pointless because only players from NA are allowed to compete for this version.
Then, another player from England also competes in a CF Stars qualifier, but this time in CF EU. He is told during the CF Stars Qualifier that if his team won he would have to be replaced because he is from the UK and it is against GameRage's rules to allow UK players because Z8Games owns the license.
So basically, british players are screwed over, no wonder there are so few british players still around in this game.
Yeah, pretty much every UK player from back then quit when CF EU split the communities, taking 90% of the players and leaving just the UK players here. The UK is just one small place in Europe and we didn't have enough players. If another version bought the USA license (before Z8) then the Canadians would have bad or no competition. Anyway, all we can do is wait for a reply but be prepared for a disappointment, If I was you I'd either try and play some of the few NA tournaments that are available to us or quit (like everyone else did) and play CSGO or something else. -
0Reflexion0 wrote: »Well, here's an idea I've been given.
How about Z8Games allow only competitive british players to play on CF EU and take part in ESL.
It's a small step, but it's something.
How is that a small step? That's the only thing we need. They just need to get in contact with GameRage, explaining the UK/EU situation, saying that they don't mind for us to be playing another version and GameRage will be fine with it. Currently GameRage isn't allowed to let us play because of Z8. -
CyberNinja11 wrote: »Yeahh like host a lan in the uk
That's really not what we are asking for. Sure it would be cool to see that kind of support, but there's not enough british players to make a good LAN.
What we're asking for us to be unblocked from EU and to be able to participate in ESL. Since we are in Europe after all. -
ohhh Cool.0Reflexion0 wrote: »That's really not what we are asking for. Sure it would be cool to see that kind of support, but there's not enough british players to make a good LAN.
What we're asking for us to be unblocked from EU and to be able to participate in ESL. Since we are in Europe after all. -
What we are looking for is for this topic to be noticed, the points to be read and for a member of z8games staff to say something WILL be done about this.
We've provided some decent solutions, that benefit the UK players and have nothing but positive effects on z8games.
Because for it will show z8games do care about the crossfire community.
Our suggestions:
Saying to GameRage competitive players are allowed to play CF EU and compete in ESL.
Simply saying to GameRage players from the UK are allowed to play regardless of licenses. (I don't see why they can't)
Giving the license for the UK to GameRage. -
i hope you realize that z8games is a company, and their aim is to create revenue. to just 'give' the licensing to CF EU would be completely out of the question, for one reason and one reason alone.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I understand that, hence why I listed it 3rd.
But it's a possibility, maybe giving up the license doesn't mean a loss in income though? Since the license they currently own is for the UK, and the UK don't really play this game, it would probably be far more profitable to host the server elsewhere so that the majority of players on this server have better ping. -
Hi,
We're very busy here but I wanted to take the opportunity to acknowledge this well thought out post.
I have to keep it brief for now, but essentially the issue here is with licensing and contracts. Legal issues. It is impossible to arbitrarily flip a switch and remove the IP blocks from either of the games. So from that perspective we sort of have to end the idea. This may change in the future, and we would be glad to make plenty of announcements for whatever the change would be.
But for now the way the division is, it's beyond our control. It's a legal matter between 2-3 companies.
So now that we know we need to spend more time with the UK People we realize we can do this with tournaments and prize support for them.
The first ESG Winter series tournament has cash prizes which is an amazing thing to see in CrossFire, we're already scheduled for a second tournament with them for cash prizes. And if we're lucky even more.
The point here is that Cash prize tournaments will be a regular thing within CrossFire.
The second issue to that is the first one makes the cash prize only available to the people in NA. This is unfortunate for some, but we really want to stress that this is not how these prizes will end up after multiple tournaments.
We want to specifically have tournaments for players in the UK, and heck, even in Egypt because there are some great players looking for competition there. In addition to the classic NA players we already know compete in the game.
But this takes time, we want to get people signed up and playing in the ESG winter series first and see how this structure is going to go. Let the NA players be the guinea pigs on the setup. Then let us grow these tournaments with larger prizes and bring in players from many other countries.
In this aspect, we just ask for a little patience. We're taking steps here to ensure competition thrives, grows and becomes worth playing for the players that take it seriously. But we can't just throw the kitchen sink out the window on the first go around. Cash prizes for players outside the NA is definitely going to happen. It's only a matter of time.
While I am here, I also want to just recognize (for those who may not know) the problems with WCG and CFS as far as the UK goes. Both of those tournaments are run without our affiliation. They are paid for by people who are not G4Box.
The WCG tournament structure doesn't include the UK for whatever reason. I am not entirely sure why. But if there was some sort of support for the UK then I am sure there would be CF Support for it. WCG is not run in conjunction with G4Box, the tournament organizers for that are simply using our CrossFire servers because that is the country in which they are sending a team. We have nothing to do with the choices WCG makes.
That being said, when we do know they will be using our servers so we take an active interest and help promote players, support people, broadcasters, prizes and more where we can.
CFS is a similar situation we are told by Tencent, you can bring a team from NA. From this perspective I believe it's an organizational and cost thing. They have a certain structure and this is what they want to do. We don't have any say in it, but are certainly going to expend our energies looking for the best team.
So hopefully that gives a quick insight into some stuff. We have not forgotten about UK players at all. -
Are people still trying to understand about the licensing?
We're not trying to understand it, but we're asking z8games to do something out of character, as in something that's not just about money.
We're asking them to allow british players to no longer be tied to this version and to be able to play at CF EU, where we can take part in ESL. -
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Good Idea! The Name CrossFire North America / United Kingdom is today the best Joke from this game, look into the Lobby UK Server 1 or 4, 80 % from the Player are from Africa or middle east with names Ahmed1234, kokopop, mido66... sometimes i think i Play a game who is located in Saudi Arabia or Egypt! And they dont talk english, only arabic, so sad!
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If you want to participate in international events why don't you start with convincing WCG UK?
Another good shot would be to get exposure in the iseries.
Then again I doubt a subpar community like the UK comp scene could do either one of those, instead they make petitions and complaint threads on a message board over licensing about every other month. -
JoshBritish wrote: »No disrespect Spekk, but I've been around a lot longer than you, you didn't create the UK 3-8 scene, it was around from the very start with a completely different player base and I never saw you back then, please don't lie. The scene completely died and then recently the population has grown again (with pubstars)
You have´nt been here longer than me. And yes, everything I stated is true. In 2010, when your account were created, Me and my clan Simplicity did start it. You can ask any oldschool UK scene player like Iori, Suicide, Ramil, bigi etcetc. You dont need to go all hard over me cuz you got cut from my team you know. 1 year ago my computer broke down. I was gone for 6 months and came back with the servers being filled up with arabic people. This must have been the times you were talking about, ´´the pubstars´´. You should keep in mind that I was around scrimming on the servers before your account were even created, so take the drama down a notch romeo -
Spekkulert2 wrote: »You have´nt been here longer than me. And yes, everything I stated is true. In 2010, when your account were created, Me and my clan Simplicity did start it. You can ask any oldschool UK scene player like Iori, Suicide, Ramil, bigi etcetc. You dont need to go all hard over me cuz you got cut from my team you know. 1 year ago my computer broke down. I was gone for 6 months and came back with the servers being filled up with arabic people. This must have been the times you were talking about, ´´the pubstars´´. You should keep in mind that I was around scrimming on the servers before your account were even created, so take the drama down a notch romeo
And I won the first ever ESL EU cup.
big deal -
Spekkulert2 wrote: »You have´nt been here longer than me. And yes, everything I stated is true. In 2010, when your account were created, Me and my clan Simplicity did start it. You can ask any oldschool UK scene player like Iori, Suicide, Ramil, bigi etcetc. You dont need to go all hard over me cuz you got cut from my team you know. 1 year ago my computer broke down. I was gone for 6 months and came back with the servers being filled up with arabic people. This must have been the times you were talking about, ´´the pubstars´´. You should keep in mind that I was around scrimming on the servers before your account were even created, so take the drama down a notch romeo
Whoever started competition in UK Servers is besides the point.
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