CF Anti Hacking Measures - Z8Games Hates hackers too!
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PR0PAGANDA wrote: »found one today that I gotta report , hack newbie had a AK-Fury too , smh
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=246789
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SadYellowBoy wrote: »It's gotten so much better...
Not quite - a little yes... but there is still long road to 'much better'...
BTW. all cheaters - whom I report in last few days - already they lacked of HS ribbon.
So the question is, why they are not perm banned in first place?
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you know... i have *****ed and *****ed on here about the hacks... and yes as of now they are better.... (not as many wallers, fly, yada yada).... there are ALOT of aimers.... but i was just wondering.... i downloaded a game and got to wondering.... and started to try and see what all files were with the game and it wouldnt let me in to them.... i did delete it after i got bored with it... and i also had our I T guy check it out to make sure that it was gone....but it would not let me in to the files like this game does.... it was restricted.... so why cant this game do that?? you have "these files" and "these files"... why cant you say... hey.... you cant do anything with these files.... we have this # of them and no more no less.... does it not have to change or add files for you to hack... obviously im not a major computer guy but i have seen some programs do this... so why cant they do it here... and if all else fails.... give them their own server.... if you cant stop it in all of the game then let them hack it out with them selves... and in the rest have atleast one person in each other server roaming around room to room and checking for hacks.... im sure every one is going to say that, that is too much work.... well if making your creation the best that it can be is too much work then maybe you should give it up to someone else... i seen that you guys refered to this as a business.... well do you know what happens to a business when they have nothing but problems running them.... they get takin over by another business that can either fix it or take it out (the competition)..... like i said im not a big computer guy.... but if i have lets say 15000 files.... and i need all of them to run my program..... then i would set up something that says, OK... he has 15000 files.... this person is trying to run this with 15001... something is wrong.... BANNED..... or .... wait a second.... but this guy has 15000 files... and they all seem to be here... but wait.... this one doesnt match our records.... it has been changed.... BANNED.... and i know .... if it was that easy all games would have done it.... but another thing that bothers me is the fact that they say that it makes no sense for them to make and sell hacks... you may be able to fool the 9 yr olds with that but i can see where that would make you ALOT of money.... so dont say that it is a ludicrous notion when many many companies do that every day... look at anti virus..... HELLO....i love to play this game... just cant stand the hacks... all over and all ranks are now doing 1 shot 1 kill... body, head.... just not fun for those of us that "PLAY" the game and dont hack.... and now some of them are saying its cause they have the new guns.... no its not... i played someone in my clan that has one and while he was better with it than without.... it wasnt one shot one kill evey time from where ever.... after saying all of that ..... screw it.... make the game one big hack..... everyone even.... hackers... or sorry.... as some B1TCH and say ... CHEATERS...... wouldnt stand a chance and then mommy and daddy can spend all of that money on things their dumb ass needs.... and yes basically i am just talking out of my ass because i am getting ****ed when i know that i am better than these FU@K$ but they kill me any ways.... with their one shot every freaking time... i would like to have this game on a CD like other games... then i could just have my friends come over and we could all play each other on the home net... that i would pay money for... but that is just me ..... as far as i see it all HACKS AND/OR CHEATERS ARE PU,$$1ES...
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Hackers
I own an internet cafe, I have been in the computer industry since I was 19 and I have to say I agree with a lot of what you have said.
First, let me say, whatever system detect you have for 3rd party programs is great. I noticed that if my cafe players have played DOTA and use any 3rd party hotkeys program, if it is left running X trap catches there is a 3rd party program and does not load crossfire. the problem right now is it is finding programs that have nothing to do with crossfire and seems not to be finding the hacker programs.
One of the problems I saw in your post here, which was very good and informative, is you let the cat out of the bag by telling them what system/program is being used to help find and sort out hackers. On a note defending you, a hacker is just that, a hacker and he will eventually find it out and combat against it anyways. On a positive note of this, it may only serve to help because the faster they hack it the faster it no longer becomes a problem.
One question I have, how many people on your team of anti hackers are actually doing the easy stuff. I have heard all the same stories from many companies about hackers big and small, and thru my years of experience playing games I find that sometimes it is much more simple than people think.
If it werte me, I would set up some accounts emails and such. So you can set up game accounts, then go to youtube the hacker central, get a computer off the server network even not in the same building, go thru and download these programs they have all over youtube and facebook. that is the easiest thing and fastest way to find them. ADDED NOTE, I have not really checked you guys yet, but most gaming sites big and small simply file the form to have the videos removed from places like youtube. However I would think that by now you tube would stop things like that on their own, but since it is a google company who is partnered with the advertising sites who are hosting the videos, there lies that poblem. see the people hosting the videos are paid for the clicks they get, and deep in the hole of the bullcrap is google in the background whether it be google adsense or adwords, one way or another google is involved. If its online advertising and ways to make money they are the backer somewhere in the far abyss.
What most gamers do not understand is in order to stop a hack you must first find it, then reverse engineer it and then you can find ways to stop it. they also do not understand most gaming sites have a crew of anti hackers working the problem, well at the same time there are hundreds of hackers working to patch the games patches so they can continue to hack.
As far as game hacking goes, I dont see the point really, hackers are cowards and loosers if you ask me, you rank means nothing except to your friends who you can brag to, one shot kills so far away you cant even hear the gun, almost invincible armor where you can shoot them 20 times in the face point blank range and they do not die, it buang (crazy) if you ask mne. And they feel so proud of their accomplishments and to be honest they have accomplished nothing. your accomplishments are useless if the game is unfair, your rank and all your kills are not real. if the gaming industry could ever EVER find ways to abolish hackers in ghames all those kinds of stats would be very different. hackers hack to gain points get awards and free stuff in game because they could not do it without the cheats. that what it all comes down to, they just simply are not good at gaming so they have to cheat to compete."what all he said"
If I understood the main thread they cant do that because it will limit the amount of users they have. Pay to play games have many benefits. first they need not worry about income as you have already paid to have their games, with that kind of finances coming in you also have a diverse team of hackers and the ability to pay other gaming sites for information. gaming sites I am sure, will not freely give away coding info to stop hackers, because if you are a small competitor of their games they want you to close shop and get out of the industry, it makes itr better for them. that what really makes me mad about hackers, why hack the no pay to play sites and games when you have a bigger accomplishment hacking the big the games and company sites, oh yea because much like gaming where they have to cheat to compete, hacking a huge company of closed doors coding is very complicated to them, simply put they just cant do it because they lack the know how to do so. its much easier to hack an open code site than a closed code site.
Giving them their own seerver is useless, they hack because they have to cheat to compete, so giving them their own server just simply makes it impossible for them to get what they want kills, rank and free stuff from the competitions. You would only be making the game fair to play for them and that is what they are hacking against.
setting up the file check could be very problematic, what happens iof some people do not do an update, or fails to update correctly, then what they just get banned because they have less or more files because the update altered the number of files, and then every time there is an update the antihackers have to take time away from stopping the hacks to recode the hack catching system to know there are now 15008 files because of the update. and to be honest I am not sure all these hacks are in folder changes some of them are 3rd party trainer programs that are not found int he gaming folders. what about those guys?
We here at the cafe have taken a different approach to the problem than you have, we call it Operation CSD, Crossfire Search and Destroy, we pack the cafe with players and specifically search out a hacker in a room of FFA and we just abolish him holding his ability to rank down holding his kills down and making the game basically unplayable for him as he makes it for regular players. we hit him so hard he has not choice but to leave the room and then we search and destroy him again, flipping and flopping servers until we cna fin them again. once they see their hacks are useless against 20 to 30 players on him alone he will eventually stop hacking. if every time you step in a room all the players in the room attack you in a free for all, posting just outside spawn points so that no matter where you spawn no matter where you go as soon as you turn a corner BAAAM 3 to 5 people hit you, one thing nice is the hack program can not combat that yet. there are ways we as players can combat against hackers to. -
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Like i said.... im not a big computer guy.... but what you say does some how make sense to me...lol... i just hate that people have to hack... i played one kid the other day in a locked room.... he turned his hack off for me (had to talk him in to it)... and it took him about 2 full games... but then he started getting the hang of playing without the hack... he had a better time without the hack... and i think it feels better when you do things like that on your own.... but what do i know.... im not a 13 yr old that mommy and daddy would rather give me their credit card and use the computer as a sitter... i have heard parents say... atleast they are not out doing drugs and getting in to trouble... REALLY? and no thats not all of them but still... and yes i am older... i am 34 and was in the Army for 9 1/2 yrs... thats one reason i love these games... but i do like the way you go about your hackers... the first clan that i was in there was a guy that would go into a room and if there was a guy in there that hacked.... he would turn his on and gun for him the whole time... i dont know how he did it but his hack was always better... but as soon as the hacker would leave he would turn it off and carry on playing... and you said something about pay to play.... if that would make all of this better... that i would pay for... i just dont want to spend money just to have hacks one shot one kill me every time i spawn... that would be a waste if you ask me.... i have been trying to find good players that want to start a locked room every once in a while... ones that dont hack... so we could just play and dont have to worry about it... but thank you again for the info.... maybe sometime i will be in one of those rooms that you guys are in so that i can take part in the fun of killing the hacks till they leave.....
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I read all this and all that your saying is bs and what coming out of your mouth is more bs.We the people make this game successful and you work for us WE DON’T WORK FOR YOU WE PAY YOUR SALARY if someone lost their account you should investigated and see what happen to their account my Gmail Email got was close down by Gmail because of Goggle Transaction payments a few months ago I came to z8games. And explain to z8games my situation and they close I explain to them that my crossfire account. Was not hacked what happen my Gmail account. Was close .I had a next problem my next account I change the email account and I used a 10 min mail to change it and I forget my email account information. But I have all my crossfire information and they close my account [Gm] Barracuda this Game going to Die and when it start to die you will change your policy but it will be 2 late
Warface or Dirty Bomb or soliderfont one of these games going to kill this Game Crossfire will be like K.O.S. Secret Operations Game -
GM.Sardine
I read all this and all that your saying is bs and what coming out of your mouth is more bs.We the people make this game successful and you work for us WE DON’T WORK FOR YOU WE PAY YOUR SALARY if someone lost their account you should investigated and see what happen to their account my Gmail Email got was close down by Gmail because of Goggle Transaction payments a few months ago I came to z8games. And explain to z8games my situation and they close I explain to them that my crossfire account. Was not hacked what happen my Gmail account. Was close .I had a next problem my next account I change the email account and I used a 10 min mail to change it and I forget my email account information. But I have all my crossfire information and they close my account [Gm] Barracuda this Game going to Die and when it start to die you will change your policy but it will be 2 late[GM]Saidin wrote: »Hello CF Community!
Update - January 2013
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=237936
Updated - October 19th.We would like to make an announcement that we have introduced an update to our game and X-Trap that specifically attacks a type of hack that has been a major problem in all versions of CF for the last 3-6 weeks.Recently we have noticed a lot of threads on our Community Forums with regards to the hacking situation within Cross Fire. Once again we come here to commune with everyone and discuss the situation together!
This solution, like all anti hacking measures is a fluid process, but we are confident that it is doing it's job against this latest parasite and should help to improve the situation.
As always, we continue to work with the developers, and X-Trap on a daily basis to battle the situation in the game with hackers and also remove and ban as many hackers per day as possible.
We continue to say the same message to our users. That we are doing everything within our ability and power to remove as many hackers from the game as possible. But in this post we'll try to provide you with a little window into our operation and give you some idea on what exactly we do against hackers.
Please feel free to read all of this thread and discuss it here. Flames will be removed and ignored. And please realize that there is no conspiracy here. We do not make money from hacking, we do not distribute hacks, we are fully against hackers within our game. Hopefully after reading this you will be better informed of the situation.
The Situation
Hackers exist in our game. No one wants to admit it, but there it is. The main problem however is that no one knows for sure how many hackers there are. Not everyone with a positive kill/death ratio is going to be a hacker. And this is where the main problem with all of this lies.
We would love to remove 100% of the hackers from our game. But since that situation is very difficult the best we can do is strive towards that goal. To continue to do what we do to make the game better. But no matter how many hackers we remove we are trapped under the mentality of the community. The perceived notion that everyone good hacks is something we have a difficult time changing.
Hacking exists in ALL games however. Just because you didn't see someone who plays Call of Duty hacking, doesn't mean you can't find hacks for that game. Not to mention all the people downloading and playing that game illegally (ie not purchasing it), hacking and piracy in video games is something every company has to deal with.
However these larger games with massive development studios and huge companies and publishers and dollars back them up means they can work with the latest technologies for their games. It's a simple fact that Unreal or Crysis engines are harder to "hack" than the engines used in older games.
One of the reasons Cross Fire is so popular is because it is so accessible. The core gameplay (take a classic pro game of search and destroy) is simple and functional and fun to play. And the fact that the game is based on an older engine means it can reach a wider audience. Not everyone in the world is screaming on a quad core pc with dual 30 inch 3d monitors and HD surround sound. Cross Fire plays on those machines too, but it's designed to reach the maximum amount of people. This is how free to play games operate.
While we're talking about the general situation I will also add that it will always be better preventing hacking from coming in to the game than banning a hacker.
Regardless of the population or the people or the mentality, if we ban a hacker for 30 days and then we eliminate those hacks from coming back in and the user comes back and doesn't use hacks again then we've done a positive to the game. While this isn't always the case, it just reinforces the fact that we need to stop hacks from coming in to the game. As you'll soon find out we get overwhelmed with reports, so removing the user is not always the best solution.
And lastly, in general people make up numbers all the time. 9 out of 10 people make up statistics that 85% of the people believe. (see what I did there?) No one knows exact numbers for anything. The free to play industry is very competitive, we do not release exact numbers for a reason. When dealing with hackers however the last thing we want to do is release information that could be used against us. We understand this is frustrating and we ask for a leap of faith in this aspect. But try not to jump on the statistics bandwagon, because most of the time its completely fabricated.
So this means that the situation is this; We see hackers we eliminate hackers. We can't recode the game on some amazing "end all hacking" update, however this is not stopping us from working with our resources (including the developers) to remove as many hacks from coming in to the game.
What We're Doing
So this brings us to the section where we can discuss what we do against hackers on a daily basis.
Seek out and Find Hacks
We constantly search the internet for hacks. We have a huge list of all the very well known hack sites that we infiltrate and download and test as many hacks as possible. This is our primary way of removing hacks from the game. When a hack gets downloaded it gets tested and sent to the appropriate people. X-Trap and Smilegate. From there these guys code the appropriate blocks into the program to prevent them from entering in the game, or in other cases get them detected so the autoban system picks them up.
It should also be noted that we have our own resources and communications with others for these types of hacks too. The mods and known community gamers provide us with valuable information on where hacks come from, what kinds do what, what to look out for, emerging threats etc.
All in all it goes into a system of daily checks for the latest attempts to ruin your gaming experience. These efforts go directly to people like X-Trap and are directly involved in the recent major updates you've seen to X-Trap.
Working with X-Trap
X-Trap has recently had a major update which has changed the way the program works and has now managed to catch a vast majority of the hacks within the game. We have seen a significant reduction in the number of hacking reports, incidents, available hacks and hackers in game.
X-Trap currently detects well over 300 hack programs. Now obviously this includes outdated hack programs as there are definitely not 300 active hack programs available. However this works out to a new detection every couple of days over the course of the modern xtrap implementation. Just on this fact we can see that they are doing an impressive job to stop hacks from entering in to Cross Fire.
Also, from these hacks that we find they get broken down into a code level where we know exactly which hack you are using when you get detected. This is how we are 100% confident in our auto ban system. When xtrap was first implemented we were banning for hacking but the confidence level was not at its fullest because often times it was difficult to see the type of hack being used. This is no longer the case (and has been for a while). When the auto ban picks up a hack it knows exactly whats being used and issues the kick and the ban for using it.
It should also be said that hackers are not always the smartest people and that often time picking up one hack will pick up multiple ones because people redistribute and rename a specific hack, but the functions don't change and it still gets picked up.
Auto Banning Hackers
This brings us to the auto ban section. As discussed we pick up from a list of hundreds (and growing) hacks. Auto bans are treated as hackers 100% as the auto ban system doesn't make mistakes. However with the nature of the system it works better for us to increment the bans. Especially with the amount of people that fall to account scams, yes it is their responsibility, but some leniency must be given in this respect.
Before you start moaning about the auto ban system, take someone who actually hacks in the game 100% of the time.
The first detection they get banned for 3 days. Then they come back and hack again. Then they get banned for 7 days. Then they come back and they get detected again (this is getting funny now because they surely are using the same hack they got detected on! something we laugh at all the time), we're up to 30 days now and the next ban will become permanent.
After it's all said and done their total playing time for the game is something under 10 minutes of game time in 40 days (over a month!). So if the guy keeps hacking he's barely played the game and he's going to end up with the same result as if he was permanently banned!
The Autoban system picks up way more hackers and bans than purely watching reports do. While we can't give out the number exactly, the system picks up somewhere between 80-90% of the hackers in the game. It should be noted though that of the game population less than 5% actually hack. Even less now with the recent X-Trap update.
Reviewing reports
We get a lot of reports. Period. On a good day (low hacking) on a weekend we might get somewhere around 500 reports.
Sorting these reports out means we have to run filters on them. This is some of the stuff we do to get down to a legitimate report.
First check to see if the information in the report is accurate. Did they upload a replay, is there any additional information, did they get the character name correct (we realize this puts 'work' on your part but getting the name right with a bit of information goes a long way to getting the report done faster).
Then we do things like look to see how many times the user has been reported, the dates they were reported from, then we have to look here for abuse as a lot of clans feel that if one person sees a hacker then they must get all 100 people in the clan to submit the same replay of the same hacker. This is 100 reports we don't need.
Then we have to check to see if the account has been picked up by the auto ban system, and where along in the auto ban sequence they are (ie permanently banned or not etc).
Now we're getting to a point where we have a tangible report/replay to watch and it's the GMs turn to review the case.
Duplicate reports, wrong reports, reports not being actual hackers etc all adds up to one of the most tedious jobs our team does.
We take these reports seriously because we want the game to be legitimate, but we also want to take this professionally. We are not in the business of issuing a ban because so-and-so says so. When we ban a user we want to be confident that we've made the right decision so that if someone complains we can say; "No, we have reviewed this, you were hacking end of story."
Now having said all this, we are currently working on a backlog of bans and will be issuing some large scale bans on a lot of reports that we have been reviewing. We are investigating hacking trends and will be doing a large scale ban of a few thousand accounts this week. This kind of large scale anti-hacking movement doesn't happen often but in this case, coupled with the new X-Trap changes we are approaching a level within the game where hackers are a less of a problem and we've been able to look at some old reports to get them handled.
Lost Accounts
The next largest regular issue we deal with in Cross Fire is the issue of "hacked accounts". Accounts do not get hacked. It's a simple truth. If accounts get hacked in the traditional sense, my game account would have been hacked years ago since it has all the weapons and I'm sure a hacker would love to play on a GM account!
Think about that logically. No one can get my account security information because I haven't told anyone. People are not secure enough with the simple things on their account. Their Login ID, Security Answer, Registered Email are all things you need to keep to yourself. We go through hoops to make it as difficult as possible to change your information. However if you go a fake website and drop down all your info trying to get free ZP you are going to lose your account. Period.
No website will give you free weapons, free zp or anything else for free. If you try to sell your account, if you give your info to your brother, if you download a keylogged hack program. These are all things that can cause you to lose your account.
Those people are stealing your accounts to hack on them. They don't have any other reason to have it. And if the account gets hacked and detected then you're not gonna get the account back. THIS IS THE TRUTH. You are responsible for your account security, therefore when you lose your account and someone hacks on it we have to punish the account. We can't reach through the internet and slap the hacker and give you a pat on the back for admitting you fell for a scam. It's just not going to happen, the account hacked in our game and we issued a ban (auto or not). You're done. Don't fall for a scam. This is a serious problem and you have to take it seriously when you make a Z8Games account.
Every day we get hundreds of support requests for lost accounts. This is just how bad the problem is. You must be more secure with your information. The less time we have to spend proving who owns an account means we can spend more time banning the real hackers.
Misconceptions
At this point we would like to clear up a couple of misconceptions that some people seem to have.
"We do not sell or develop hacks." This makes no sense and is a completely ludicrous notion. It's also insulting to our GM team who spends their time each day banning hackers, finding hacks and doing everything described above.
"We do ban hackers." This is also another ludicrous notion that we don't ban hackers. We're very sorry it seems that the person you reported was caught hacking again in another game you were in. This could mean a few things:
1) They were picked up by the auto ban system and the ban expired and they are no longer hacking
2) They were never hacking in the first place
3) We haven't got to your report yet
There is no limitation to who we ban. We've banned everyone from high level players to high level spenders to level 0's who have only played for 5 minutes. Whether the person was picked up by the auto ban system or manually we've banned em all! And while the backlog of reports does pile up, we get to them and hackers can't escape.
We are confident in our GM team to review replays and issue appropriate bans. They all play the game on a daily basis and they know how to spot hackers and have no tolerance for them. The fact that some people believe we don't ban hackers is such an insulting false notion.
In the End
What does this boil down to? It boils down to our dedicated team of GMs and staff here that are constantly working in the interests of you and the game. We work with the developers, with XTrap and with the community to remove as many hackers as possible.
You may have noticed a reduction in hacking. Which is a direct result of the work we're doing, but that doesn't mean we're done. We're going to continue to review replays and remove hackers and continue to bolster our auto ban system to make sure it's working at the best efficiency.
Our goal is to get to the point where the community mentality changes. We need the good people of this community to recognize the efforts we do, and see them in game. They can help spread the word that we really are making the game a better place. The misconception that the game is filled with hackers when it really isn't needs to stop. But we need to continue to do our best to remove as many hackers as possible.
Stick with us, it's only going to get better!
Warface or Dirty Bomb or soliderfont one of these games going to kill this Game Crossfire will be like K.O.S. Secret Operations Game -
I never thought this community could get much worse but i've just been in a game that proved how utterly abhorrent these people are.
There's a kid running around with a M14 doing 360 spins headshotting everyone in my team, understandably we are pinned down in our spawn on Egypt. So, we ask repeatedly for a kick and we get 2 but people are instantly pressing f12 to keep him in the game.
So i take out AWM and start picking people off the best i can from the spawn and a Silver bar LT asked for me to be kicked for hardscoping them outside our spawn
then says he will only kick the cheat if i'm kicked It's kind of funny as you see snipers quickscoping all of the time in a warzone LMAO.
LMFAO what an utter moron he is, leaving a cheater in game cos i started getting a few kills, this dude was cheating way before i took AWM out. Some of this community are total morons, i cannot believe how some people think, it's totally baffling.
When will they get it through their idiotic heads that these kids are stealing their kills / ribbon kills and they let them do it. Saying they are incompetent morons is an insult to people who are incompetent morons.
Anyway, rant over
TL;DR - who cares.
Peace -
[GM]Saidin your [GM] Barracuda
I read all this and all that your saying is bs and what coming out of your mouth is more bs.We the people make this game successful and you work for us WE DON’T WORK FOR YOU WE PAY YOUR SALARY if someone lost their account you should investigated and see what happen to their account my Gmail Email got was close down by Gmail because of Goggle Transaction payments a few months ago I came to z8games. And explain to z8games my situation and they close I explain to them that my crossfire account. Was not hacked what happen my Gmail account. Was close .I had a next problem my next account I change the email account and I used a 10 min mail to change it and I forget my email account information. But I have all my crossfire information and they close my account [Gm] Barracuda this Game going to Die and when it start to die you will change your policy but it will be 2 late
Warface or Dirty Bomb or soliderfont one of these games going to kill this Game Crossfire will be like K.O.S. Secret Operations Game -
log in multiple times FAILED
how the hell I got a lot of error and massage saying my computer has a hacking tools ? that's why I can log in to my main account , I just bought zp and now I cant log in for stupid reason please tell me how to fix this bug
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