Professionalism in Competitive Cross Fire
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However polleus, I DONT agree on the sportsmanship thing. As many euro's probably know im the biggest priick in the world to play against. If its Wogl and you don't have your 5 players in the room in time for the match to begin, you're starting 4v5. Not my problem. If your players have hats on and I notice it, I won't say a thing. Its a teams own responsibility to make sure they have everything in conjunction with the rules. If my team got fcked over by a pumpkin hat or w/e, i'd go apeshit at whoever fcked up first [i ask my team to check storage twice] and then at myself for not looking at everyone when we spawn.
You have a good point there. The teams should be expected to make sure their own teams are prepared for the match. I guess that's just matter of opinion there, where I believe sportsmanship should be exercised as a professional courtesy. I wouldn't want to win on the count of the other team wearing a pumpkin hat. I would want to win knowing that we bested our opponent on the same field. Even if we won regardless, I believe professional courtesy should be present in that situation. Again, just a matter of opinion. -
What you said is a really big factor on why pointless trashtalking happens so often in CF. Because this game is clearly for online heroes - for now.People dont meet face to face, its online in Internet.They dont understand what its like. If we were to actually meeting face to face on LAN. Then things would change cause people would get knocked out.
That's what I love my favourite FPS for, there are LANs happening every month, so quite clearly if you don't have the guts to say the same thing you said online, but this time on LAN [face2face stuff] - you'll turn out to be a complete pussy. That's why you don't see many 12 y/os talking trash on the forums, and trashtalking happens only to spice things up. Usually before a LAN. If your balls didn't drop yet, you haven't been at least to one LAN and you start trashtalking, you'll get ignored OR "#shutdown" quite easily and quickly.
We, as league players, have to enforce leagues' rules. It isn't our responsibility to remind the OPPOSITE team to take off every single item banned from a league. They decided to use it in a pub or a scrim and didn't take it off - it's THEIR own problem. I don't understand how dumb or careless you have to be to not check your character in storage before the match is played.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Team A sees that a player on Team B is using a flash guard in the early rounds of the game. Team A decides not to notify the opposing team in order to be able to dispute the game in the event Team A loses. A lot you will say, that's part of the game and part of winning. I say, that's nonsense and you should have the decency and want to play on a fair ground. How can the sanctity of eSports be upheld when so many players fail to follow a simple set of ideals that uphold maturity and professionalism?
Call me a dick, but I like doing it. Not in CF tho because that would require leaving and switching bags.There's also giving respect in game. Like, if you're team is easily beating another you don't just rush straight mid with an mp5. Its so disrespectful to the other team. If your team wants to end the match quickly, go on and do a rush. But its just pathethic to be taunting a team without a word.
In my favourite FPS I previously mentioned I simply love doing what you just said. Disrespectful? Maybe, but after we get enough rounds to win the match overall, I like taking an MP5, M14, USP or Colt and get at least 2 kills with it. Why? Simply to put the opposite team's morale down, to mentally destroy them and tell them they're a waste of time to play against and what not. See how useful this is! I don't even need to say a word and they feel embarrassed. Humiliation at its sparkling best.
Ah, couldn't agree more. You and I are very alike on this matter.If your players have hats on and I notice it, I won't say a thing. Its a teams own responsibility to make sure they have everything in conjunction with the rules. If my team got fcked over by a pumpkin hat or w/e, i'd go apeshit at whoever fcked up first [i ask my team to check storage twice] and then at myself for not looking at everyone when we spawn. -
I think age does effect maturity level partly. However i know people in the community years older than me without 1% of the maturity and discipline level of me. But it's everyones ego; like when they die, they say- tryhard, or you're bad. Something along of the lines like that. In-game people can't just play without complaining and making excuses.
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There is a lack of 'Professionalism' in our community due to the BRs. It's that simple. They ruin the game. Providing terrible examples for others. Yet our ' community's ' leaders do nothing about it. Simple as that. No other discussion needed.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »So, I ask the question, why is there such a lack of Professionalism within our community of competition?
~Why did I put ' ' around Professionalism? Because Professionals get paid. We don't. Being 'pro' at an Internet Game does not benefit anyone. This is all speaking honestly.
~Why do I put ' ' around community? Because a community listens to the people who make up the community and use their opinions to improve the community. -
HellsAngel11 wrote: »There is a lack of 'Professionalism' in our community due to the BRs. It's that simple. They ruin the game. Providing terrible examples for others. Yet our ' community's ' leaders do nothing about it. Simple as that. No other discussion needed.
~Why did I put ' ' around Professionalism? Because Professionals get paid. We don't. Being 'pro' at an Internet Game does not benefit anyone. This is all speaking honestly.
~Why do I put ' ' around community? Because a community listens to the people who make up the community and use their opinions to improve the community.
Were talking about competetive, not pubbing -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »
- Example: Team A sees that a player on Team B is using a flash guard in the early rounds of the game. Team A decides not to notify the opposing team in order to be able to dispute the game in the event Team A loses. A lot you will say, that's part of the game and part of winning. I say, that's nonsense and you should have the decency and want to play on a fair ground. How can the sanctity of eSports be upheld when so many players fail to follow a simple set of ideals that uphold maturity and professionalism?
Ok polleus, I understand where you're coming from. But think about it realistically. If you're in the finals for a major league competing for thousands of dollars prize money + a chance to go to LAN and someone on the opposing team is using a spray, hat, or a bag for whatever reason, you aren't going to tell them. It is merely a backup in case you lose. Money and competition is what drives human nature in this century, and so it has throughout mankind, competition at least. Everyone wants to win or be the best. That is my take on it at least. -
ILikeAnaKip wrote: »Ok polleus, I understand where you're coming from. But think about it realistically. If you're in the finals for a major league competing for thousands of dollars prize money + a chance to go to LAN and someone on the opposing team is using a spray, hat, or a bag for whatever reason, you aren't going to tell them. It is merely a backup in case you lose. Money and competition is what drives human nature in this century, and so it has throughout mankind, competition at least. Everyone wants to win or be the best. That is my take on it at least.
I agree with this.
But what the community lacks in this is afterwards how the other team brags about how they DQed another team. (You know who you are) -
I say go with Iceman's Rule: Keep It Classy. It's humane to have respect. But Cross Fire doesn't seem to be to humane in my opinion. If people actually respected one another, maybe discouragement and negative publicity wouldn't affect as much teams as they do now.
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Cross Fire try hards have no respect for anyone, not even their team mates. You aren't big and bad because you can click a mouse at a good time. I've stayed away from anything competitive because there is to much drama and no one plays for fun anymore.
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I'll be sure to remind teams not to cheat against us. If I forget to tell them not to use hacks, it is my fault for forgetting. Even though it is in the rules, it is my responsibility to tell the other team to not use hacks.
Let's be real. Do you people even watch sports? -
I'll be sure to remind teams not to cheat against us. If I forget to tell them not to use hacks, it is my fault for forgetting. Even though it is in the rules, it is my responsibility to tell the other team to not use hacks.
Let's be real. Do you people even watch sports?
I don't really... o.o is that bad?
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On the topic of the actual question before this thread get's derailed,
I think that most people in the competitive community try to assume the other team or player is bad, or they cheat. It happens all the time. When they see someone who lets say wasnt on their top game in a pub and went 5-9 for 2 games and then left.
You see them the next day in a scrim and tell your team that he is a bad player and their whole team is bad, with no other proof or knowledge about the team or player in full detail.
They end up losing the scrim call cheats and troll them on the forums right after.
So people just need to look at every team as average and not assume because that's how teams die and you lose a match. -
i try and make sure my team (2team-) shows respect to teams that clearly are way better then us.. we wont really troll their team, but we will troll an individual for being ugly. ex: pimp in pCp.
i wish teams could respect some of the better teams in this game -
Two things are important in this matter:
Age and nationality.
Two examples:
Some months ago I played a game called Age of Empires 3. The player's average age is pretty high here and you really experience it in game. Not writing "gg" in the end means that you are an a***hole. Do it repeatedly and he won't fight you anymore. Insult your opponents repeatedly and a whole community won't fight you anymore.
My second is example is Wolfteam. Although most of its players are teens you won't see much harassment in game. Why? I would say because of nationality. It is something different if you play surrounded by foreigners or together with people with the same nationality and a similar attitude as you. It makes you think twice.
Crossfire is a disaster concerning its community. Players spread all over the world, a huge part does not understand what the opposite is saying and there is the age.
I don't think enforcing the rules will solve this problem. When you look closer it means that you try to teach them something their parents couldn't. The competitive scene would lose some players. Not more, not less. Maybe you could change something by restricting the age for participation. But in the end 10% of all players would be left. So there is nothing you can do about the situation. -
In my opinion talk is cheap. Why not define yourself rather than "psych" out your opponent? What's wrong with relying on nothing but yourself to accomplish your own goals?
A leader can lead by example, but it is really up to each individual to maintain a respectful demeanor. When you think of it, people won't always remember what you say or do, but they'll always remember how you make them feel. It is more applicable out of game than in game, but it is something people should of learned growing up from simple daily interactions. It could be argued that some professionals in sports talk trash, but it doesn't mean it is not frowned upon. Most sponsor's demand a certain image from players and teams in sports and e-sports alike. Are some trash talkers supported by big name sponsors? The answer is yes, but they have to add a lot of value considering their attitude and actions bring negativity to the reputation of the organization. There is a reason most sponsored athletes demonstrate maturity and professionalism. -
You missed the key. AoE3 is a RTS. GG has a different meaning in RTS games, due to the fact that the game is not actually over when it is said. In crossfire, the game is over when the formalities are exchanged.Two things are important in this matter:
Age and nationality.
Two examples:
Some months ago I played a game called Age of Empires 3. The player's average age is pretty high here and you really experience it in game. Not writing "gg" in the end means that you are an a***hole. Do it repeatedly and he won't fight you anymore. Insult your opponents repeatedly and a whole community won't fight you anymore.
You shouldn't be forced to say gg. If we beat a clan 18-1 or 18-2 in a match, and no one from their team says gg it is actually rude to say gg.
The reason why GG is said quite often in RTS games is it is a polite way to end the game. In RTS games there is a point you get to when you have no chance of winning. You say GG and leave. It is rude if the "winner" says GG before the player that is losing.
For the most part in RTS:
GG = polite way of ending game.
No GG = rude.
GG WP = compliment
I disagree with this though. Why should I say GG if somebody did an absurd all-in and bm while doing it.
If you really want to show respect say something other than GG. Compliment the team on something they did amazing.
Do you always tip 20% even when the service was atrocious and you aren't satisfied as a customer?
Remember not every game is a good game. -
You missed the key. AoE3 is a RTS. GG has a different meaning in RTS games, due to the fact that the game is not actually over when it is said. In crossfire, the game is over when the formalities are exchanged.
You shouldn't be forced to say gg. If we beat a clan 18-1 or 18-2 in a match, and no one from their team says gg it is actually rude to say gg.
The reason why GG is said quite often in RTS games is it is a polite way to end the game. In RTS games there is a point you get to when you have no chance of winning. You say GG and leave. It is rude if the "winner" says GG before the player that is losing.
For the most part in RTS:
GG = polite way of ending game.
No GG = rude.
GG WP = compliment
I disagree with this though. Why should I say GG if somebody did an absurd all-in and bm while doing it.
If you really want to show respect say something other than GG. Compliment the team on something they did amazing.
Do you always tip 20% even when the service was atrocious and you aren't satisfied as a customer?
Remember not every game is a good game.
when are we playing? -
vVvBLITZED wrote: »In my opinion talk is cheap. Why not define yourself rather than "psych" out your opponent? What's wrong with relying on nothing but yourself to accomplish your own goals?
A leader can lead by example, but it is really up to each individual to maintain a respectful demeanor. When you think of it, people won't always remember what you say or do, but they'll always remember how you make them feel. It is more applicable out of game than in game, but it is something people should of learned growing up from simple daily interactions. It could be argued that some professionals in sports talk trash, but it doesn't mean it is not frowned upon. Most sponsor's demand a certain image from players and teams in sports and e-sports alike. Are some trash talkers supported by big name sponsors? The answer is yes, but they have to add a lot of value considering their attitude and actions bring negativity to the reputation of the organization. There is a reason most sponsored athletes demonstrate maturity and professionalism.
I know you can attest to this. When you are playing sports you encounter trash talk. Some people ignore it, some people talk back, some get physical and some people play dirty. After the game however, you walk by and shake hands with the opponent. This is symbolic that everything that happened was on the field and it gets left on the field.
Don't get me wrong, during rivalry games it normally comes up at a later time, but it was still ended on the field.
The biggest issue is people aren't talking trash about a players game, they are insulting players directly. -
Personally,i dont care what the other team,or players think about me or my team. I'll just play and not even bother typing. No point in getting angry over something being typed hundreds of miles away,unless you seriously have anger issues. Am i the only one here that actually plays for the entertainment?
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