Quick scoping vs regular sniping
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Or maybe the sniper for using a 1-hit weapon
not this again... Why would you think that a 1 hit sniper is overpowered? Almost every game has a 1 hit sniper, Counter Strike, Half Life, Rainbow Six, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Golden Eye, Saints Row and I am sure there are more I missed. It was always like this so why change it? -
A good combination between hardscoping and quickscoping works the best for me. The average time I stay zoomed in is about 1sec, and 70% of the time i dragscope.
Of course it can come in handy if you know how to qs, but you shouldn't do that all the time. -
counter strike got servers where the 1-hit kill sniper isnt allowed.BadMonkey666 wrote: »not this again... Why would you think that a 1 hit sniper is overpowered? Almost every game has a 1 hit sniper, Counter Strike, Half Life, Rainbow Six, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Golden Eye, Saints Row and I am sure there are more I missed. It was always like this so why change it?
COD is not the same kinda game like crossfire in COD you get a few shots your dead.
rainbow six you die of like 2 shots when its a rife.
so if you know a game that got no servers that banned the 1-hit kill sniper and is like crossfire then tell it.
but lets not get on that topic again we both know it would end up in a long endless posting. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »not this again... Why would you think that a 1 hit sniper is overpowered? Almost every game has a 1 hit sniper, Counter Strike, Half Life, Rainbow Six, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Golden Eye, Saints Row and I am sure there are more I missed. It was always like this so why change it?To each their own opinion, BadMonkey. Learn to respect other people's opinions. Just because you don't think it is a noob weapon, and other games have 1-hit kill snipers as well, doesn't mean your opinion is right and other people's different opinions are wrong.
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to be honest I simply don't care what anybody thinks. For example according to a lot of players m12s is nub star/spop is nub etc etc. If it really was unfair somehow i bet cf would not endorse it.
tl;dr I hardscope and qs when i feel like,kick or no kick. -
Talonblaze wrote: »One gets you called a camper or 'hard-scoper', despite being the more realistic and traditional way to use a sniper, limiting your field of vision making you have to rely on your other senses and notifiers of enemies.
Others usually involve a dot on your screen and the skill-less abuse of a 1-hit kill rifle's perfect accuracy for less than a second. The traditional COD killing way of using a sniper. Considered 'pro'.
You decide.[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »Quick scoping isn't considered sniping, let alone pro sniping. Quick scoping is merely bypassing the inaccuracy of a sniper rifle out of scope by quickly scoping in and switch to a secondary weapon. The scope isn't used to aim in any way, and instead the "sniper" used the center of his screen to aim at his opponent and relying on the overwhelming power of his rifle to kill, even when merely grazing a opponent's arm.
Quick scopers are mobile cannons, and not snipers.
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If you want to hear my opinion:
Im in reallife elite soldier and sniper. I think
that Quickscope is a stupid invention.
It became popular in Call of Duty ...
And then it came to Crossfire. Well, the most teens think its "cool". It is a little bit.
But its not cool that you get called "dsr noob" or "hs noob" or "omg camper".
But thats the point. I set already for hours on mud and soil, thats a sniper.
You´re quietly in SnD until you see someone in your crosshair.
Of course its now popular to shoot almost without scope / trickshoot. If you like it: Do it.
But dont call other people who dont want to do the same as you do: Noob,
thats just noobish if a 16 years old kid call me so
Im not allowed to tell you sth like that.
Such a liar.
Snipers can lay waiting for kills for days by the way, kid. -
[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »To each their own opinion, BadMonkey. Learn to respect other people's opinions. Just because you don't think it is a noob weapon, and other games have 1-hit kill snipers as well, doesn't mean your opinion is right and other people's different opinions are wrong.
Uhh... what was wrong about my post?
This was the post
not this again... Why would you think that a 1 hit sniper is overpowered? Almost every game has a 1 hit sniper, Counter Strike, Half Life, Rainbow Six, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Golden Eye, Saints Row and I am sure there are more I missed. It was always like this so why change it?
Did I attack him or insult him? Did I call him a noob for not agreeing with me? I don't have to respect other peoples opinion, I don't even have to like that, that's up to me. You don't have to respect my opinion too.
Really there is nothing wrong about my posts, this is a normal conversation. He said that he thinks the awm is overpowered and I said that I think it is not overpowered. There was nothing wrong about my post, this is how a forum works. One person says something and others discuss it.
Anyway, let's go back to topic.L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »counter strike got servers where the 1-hit kill sniper isnt allowed.
As I said in the other thread, show me some servers that block the awm. You don't have to own Counter Strike to see the servers.
There are over thousands of servers and I know only a few servers that block the awm, maybe like 4 or 3 and those servers are almost empty anyway.
But beside that, the servers in counter strike source and 1.6 are not official, they are made by the gamers and they can make whatever rules they want. There are even some servers that don't allow you to kill other people, but this doesn't means that it is noobish to kill other players.
There are a few servers in counter strike that make a awm restriction, like only 5 people in each team can use a awm. They do this because in counter strike you play 32 player matches, this means 16vs16. Now if every team has 10 snipers it is impossible to move because there is a sniper everywhere and you can't move anymore. And that's why it is good to make rules like "only 5 awms in each team". With that mode you can't even pick up a awm when you have already 5 in your team, you have to wait for one of them to die or drop the weapon. I think this is really cool and was not easy to code.L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »COD is not the same kinda game like crossfire in COD you get a few shots your dead.
Well not really. You need more shots to kill an enemy. By the way, I am talking about MW3 now. Have you ever played CoD? The health is editable but in a normal match you need more shots to kill an enemy. On the pro servers it is enough to hit them two or three times.L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »rainbow six you die of like 2 shots when its a rife.
Now there are many rainbow six games, which one do you mean? In both vegas 2 and 1 you can edit the health too and you need definitely more then two shots to kill an enemy, you need even more when your enemy has heavy armor. I play usually with mid-low armor and people still need more shots to kill me. Have you even played those games?L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »so if you know a game that got no servers that banned the 1-hit kill sniper and is like crossfire then tell it.
Well, all the good games have dedicated servers and on dedicated servers you can make your own rules, this means every game could possibly ban the awm.L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »but lets not get on that topic again we both know it would end up in a long endless posting.
This doesn't has to be long and if you guys would just read what I say and replay to it. I have to repeat everything all over again and again because you guys never read my posts.
Now here are my points on why the awm is not overpowered.
The awm has a lot of weak points like:- Slow firing rate. You can only make one shot and other players get a lot of time to kill you when you miss him. You can't just spray with the awm and hope to hit him. Because when you miss him he knows where you are and has time to shot you.
- slow and limited moves. The awm is really bad in close range and this is why the sniper has to move slow and always stay close to a box or something else to hide. A sniper can't just walk around like a guy with a m4 can do.
- view is limited. You have to zoom in to make an accurate shot, no scope and quick scope shots miss most of the times.
- It's loud. One shot and everybody knows where you are and you are an easy target. They can throw grenades at you or just rush at you.
- They are always at the same spots. Every map has only a few good sniping spots and once you know that map you can easily find them.
- You can get one too. If a sniper really p*sses you of then get one too and take him down. He wont be seeing it coming and will be confused.
It is really not that hard to kill a sniper, every weapon has its pros and cons.
NOW respect my opinion and read it, I respected your's too. If you didn't read it then don't even reply to me.
If you think I am wrong then please tell me why you think so and if you agree then feel free to say so. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »Uhh... what was wrong about my post?What is wrong with it is that you are trying to shut someone up for giving HIS opinion on 1-hit sniper rifles by telling him not to start "this" again, and then continue by telling him that his opinion is wrong because every FPSer you could think of has a 1-hit sniper.
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[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »What is wrong with it is that you are trying to shut someone up for giving HIS opinion on 1-hit sniper rifles by telling him not to start "this" again,
I said to not start this again because it ended up in a pointless flame war, if he or anyone else is up for a good conversation he can do so. You can go back and read the original thread, I said many times to go back on topic.[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »and then continue by telling him that his opinion is wrong because every FPSer you could think of has a 1-hit sniper.
What is wrong about that? If you disagree with someone you say it. God damn it, this is how a forum works. What do you think this all is about? He said his opinion and I told him my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that, this is how a forum works. He can come up and say that my opinion is wrong too.
When I disagree with someone I don't try to shut him up, I discuss with him.
Ohh and I hope you do realize that you lead this to an off topic discussion again. Your posts didn't add anything to the topic, it is just meant to attack me. Don't blame it on me again. -
They're both good methods of sniping, both with pro's and con's. Although quick scoping may take some time to master (the legit way :P) it will definitely be worth it. However I find that regular sniping is much more powerful, that is IF YOU HIT YOUR SHOT.
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efwegfegerwg wrote: »I don't think there are many forumers that even know who the #$@*!! you are. Just saying.
You have 80 posts, been here for probably less than a month, compared to Frecklez who has 6000 posts and has been here for 3 years according to her.
I'm pretty damn sure they know her, unless they're new, in which case they know no one.
OT: I really don't mind either, so I wouldn't consider one to be "proer" or "noobier". I use both, simply because QSing at long range is impractical, and so is "hardscoping" in CQC. Just use whichever fits your situation best. -
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I shot my awm in a scrim and killed people
Boop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwh0XMgXnC0
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BadMonkey666 wrote: »
Now here are my points on why the awm is not overpowered.
The awm has a lot of weak points like:- Slow firing rate. You can only make one shot and other players get a lot of time to kill you when you miss him. You can't just spray with the awm and hope to hit him. Because when you miss him he knows where you are and has time to shot you.
- slow and limited moves. The awm is really bad in close range and this is why the sniper has to move slow and always stay close to a box or something else to hide. A sniper can't just walk around like a guy with a m4 can do.
- view is limited. You have to zoom in to make an accurate shot, no scope and quick scope shots miss most of the times.
- It's loud. One shot and everybody knows where you are and you are an easy target. They can throw grenades at you or just rush at you.
- They are always at the same spots. Every map has only a few good sniping spots and once you know that map you can easily find them.
- You can get one too. If a sniper really p*sses you of then get one too and take him down. He wont be seeing it coming and will be confused.
If you think I am wrong then please tell me why you think so and if you agree then feel free to say so.
I think you are missing the point.
The OP discussion re AWM was targeted at usage characteristics that enable the gun to be used as something OTHER than a sniper rifle.... a "mobile cannon" as Frecklez so aptly put it.
Your list is describing situational sniper gameplay - it misses the point where the sniper jumps out, wings someone on the arm with a QS move (probably based on screen dots) that kills them with a single bullet.
This aspect of the weapons usage was extensively discussed in the OP thread as the 'context' for the discussion.
You are simply describing sniper engagement - it doesn't add anything if you continually ignore what are some unique and serious engineering flaws in the AWMs actual in game usage. -
This is just a game and it doesn't hast to be that realistic.
If you want a game with real sniping then play Battlefield. In Battlefield Bad Company 2 it is almost impossible to quick scope and the game has also bullet drop, which means you have to aim a little bit higher to hit your enemy. The zoom in is slower then in crossfire or Call of Duty.
But crossfire and counter strike are fast games and in this games you are supposed to quick scope. And QSing is not that easy at all, it needs a lot of practicing. The good thing about the awm is that it kills with one shot, but your ak kills with one shot too when you hit the head.
I already said it in the other thread, if you think the awm is overpowered then play in a match with a awm only and post the results. If the awm is really overpowered and a noob weapon then you should easily get a nice 15-0 score.
I think that the awm is not overpowered at all.
Do you know which weapon is overpowered? The knife. In counter strike source the right click attack makes like 55 dmg and the slash makes like no damage at all. in Crossfire you can kill enemies with one hit. One hit melee weapons are general considered noobish. this is what many people hate about Call of duty, you can simply kill enemies with your knife. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »
Do you know which weapon is overpowered? The knife.
"I already said it in the other thread, if you think the knife is overpowered then play in a match with a knife only and post the results. If the knife is really overpowered and a noob weapon then you should easily get a nice 15-0 score." -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »I already said it in the other thread, if you think the awm is overpowered then play in a match with a awm only and post the results. If the awm is really overpowered and a noob weapon then you should easily get a nice 15-0 score.
how many you want?
i posted like 3 maybe 4 and you still say the same...... look another one.
or do you gonna say its not UK4? or they are noobs?
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L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »how many you want?
i posted like 3 maybe 4 and you still say the same...... look another one.
or do you gonna say its not UK4? or they are noobs?
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Not even worth arguing with badmonkey
He's absolutely clueless as of who's good and who's not, so he pretends uk-4 is any different from alpha or uk-3 -
Not even worth arguing with badmonkey
He's absolutely clueless as of who's good and who's not, so he pretends uk-4 is any different from alpha or uk-3
yes but i show him those pic and then he say they are noobs or its not UK4.
also if im ace with the awm and i show hi and he cant say something else then 'they are noob or its not UK4' then he dont say anything. thats what he allways do. i just think he cant snipe so he dont call it OP so he could snipe sometimes and still be good.
but like i said to hes first post 'lets not get on this topic it would end up in endless posting' but yeah he still do. if he would wanted it to stop then he shouldnt post back.
also kinda each post i make or anyone make well he sees most as a 'attack' to him. -
L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »yes but i show him those pic and then he say they are noobs or its not UK4.
also if im ace with the awm and i show hi and he cant say something else then 'they are noob or its not UK4' then he dont say anything. thats what he allways do. i just think he cant snipe so he dont call it OP so he could snipe sometimes and still be good.
but like i said to hes first post 'lets not get on this topic it would end up in endless posting' but yeah he still do. if he would wanted it to stop then he shouldnt post back.
I posted ss's of e8 scrimming and he said "scrims aren't competitive, pubs in uk-4 are" -
"I already said it in the other thread, if you think the knife is overpowered then play in a match with a knife only and post the results. If the knife is really overpowered and a noob weapon then you should easily get a nice 15-0 score."
What I mean is the axe, and I don't have a axe so I can't do it. But beside that, it is not overpowered compared to the rifles, it is just overpowered compared to other knifes.
All of your pictures were just bull****, either you play ghost mode, against people who have nothing but a knife and then you post pictures of you playing against laggers and other noobs.
But those pictures prove nothing, I don't know which weapon you used the whole match and I also don't see how good the other players are.
Now do one more prove in which you play on a UK4 server, if you think they are all the same then it shouldn't be a problem to switch to it. Uk4 SnD you will use only snipers and others can use whatever they want.
Save to replay.
Also the scrim pictures doesn't count because they are old.
If you guys really say that the awm is overpowered then you are not good. That's it, there is nothing else to talk about. The whole gaming industries agrees with that and you guys here who say that it is overpowered are just a bunch of little kids, your opinions are worthless. You guys are either new and young and don't know anything about gaming history or your just have no skills. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »But those pictures prove nothing, I don't know which weapon you used the whole match and I also don't see how good the other players are.
WHATEVER.... its allways something.... you are freaking stupid.
first its not good because its not in UK4 then its not good because its GM.
then its not good because they had bad K/Ds. then its not good because you dont know if i which weapon i use the whole match. then its those pic dont prove anything.
your wrong and you know you are but you just dont wanna say it.
i just posted 2 pics when im ACE with a awm and the others dont have a bad K/D and now you say pics dont prove anything....
you think people could upload a whole replay just to prove your wrong?
just to prove a sniper can be ACE in a all guns match?
your the kid arond here that cant accept it that hes wrong.
ps dont matter if scrims are old or not its a match and thats what you want. a match where someone is ACE with a awm. (what i posted befor) -
L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »first its not good because its not in UK4 then its not good because its GM.
Yes because only total noobs play in uk1-3, uk4 has more pro players. GM doesn't counts because the enemies have only knifes.L_OVER_BO_Y wrote: »just to prove a sniper can be ACE in a all guns match?
this is not our topic, we talk about the awm being overpowered, not if it's possible to be ace with it. -
its not because you play in UK4 that only the pros play there...BadMonkey666 wrote: »Yes because only total noobs play in uk1-3, uk4 has more pro players. GM doesn't counts because the enemies have only knifes.
each UK server is the same UK4 is not a special server its a normal UK server.BadMonkey666 wrote: »this is not our topic, we talk about the awm being overpowered, not if it's possible to be ace with it.
yes it was a part of it.... you said to me someone with a awm cant be ACE in a all guns match. if you dont believe it then go look it up at the other thread where i had to show screenshots to prove it.
ps why is it allways when you do something that there are more pros there or its better?
also i prove your wrong with the 'someone with a awm cant be ACE in a all guns match' and now you say 'this is not our topic' so again you cant accept it that your wrong.....
also i understand people dont like you here on the forum.
you keep insulting people,you even insulted yourself....
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