Why the PUG scene is failing
Today, I pugged.
It was perhaps the single most unpleasant experience I've ever had with Cross Fire. At least on the Halloween patch night I had a bunch of cool people in vent staying up until 6am when the patch was supposed to be out like 9 hours earlier to talk with. But here in the pug vent, my problem was WITH the people on vent.
First off, when I come to pug, I don't come to screw around. In every game I played (And I played about 5+) there were people with p90s, people with m16s, and even people with restricted weapons such as gold m4s and gold deags playing.
Then, we had the people who were just playing stupid. A PUG is supposed to be a loose 5v5 competitive enviroment. I know its not a league match, its not an echo scrim, its not a clan server scrim, but come on. Every time we played sub base without fail there were people who would just rush and camp in the vents, or who would just flat out rush and get killed right away. Going 0 - 5 and then typing in team chat "Watching TV, don't care" isn't what I want to see when I go pug. If you want to play like a pub, then go play a 10 man pub. People grenading me and otherwise just being obnoxious is no good.
Then, we have the vent issues. First off, there is the crowd that won't say a word on vent. I could be the last person standing on my team and I don't have a clue where the other team is because nobody says a word. What the hell are we on vent for then?
On the other hand, I'm often stuck with the people who won't shut their mouth. Chatting about nothing at all or talking like a 15 year old halo player, its absurd the amount of crap these people can come up with. Not to mention that when I'm the last person alive, having 4 chatterboxes commentating on my every move is annoying to say the least. If I miss a shot I'm bad/awful/terrible, if I hit a shot its like they can't shut up about it. The f11 jokes were funny the first time I heard them, now its just another distraction. Worse off is the fact that every sentence from this group of players must end in "kid". You're only 15, you're hardly fit to be called a child.
So on top of all this, we then have the people go afk for an excessive amount of time or just flat out leave a game in progress. I can understand ducking out to change bags or whatever, but how shitty is it when both teams are playing a pretty close game only to have a person leave. It ruins the PUG and leaves everyone with a sour feeling.
PUGs are there so that when my team isn't on to scrim I can at least play with people who have a clue. Instead I'm finding pubs to be more fun, as I'm not getting killed from behind because I'm not expecting my teammates to cover the area they're in. I understand that baiting is something that won't go away, but when people make it so obvious it just makes me want to punch them in the face.
tl;dr PUGs just are not as good as they used to be back in the day. Share your experiences with PUGs in this thread.
It was perhaps the single most unpleasant experience I've ever had with Cross Fire. At least on the Halloween patch night I had a bunch of cool people in vent staying up until 6am when the patch was supposed to be out like 9 hours earlier to talk with. But here in the pug vent, my problem was WITH the people on vent.
First off, when I come to pug, I don't come to screw around. In every game I played (And I played about 5+) there were people with p90s, people with m16s, and even people with restricted weapons such as gold m4s and gold deags playing.
Then, we had the people who were just playing stupid. A PUG is supposed to be a loose 5v5 competitive enviroment. I know its not a league match, its not an echo scrim, its not a clan server scrim, but come on. Every time we played sub base without fail there were people who would just rush and camp in the vents, or who would just flat out rush and get killed right away. Going 0 - 5 and then typing in team chat "Watching TV, don't care" isn't what I want to see when I go pug. If you want to play like a pub, then go play a 10 man pub. People grenading me and otherwise just being obnoxious is no good.
Then, we have the vent issues. First off, there is the crowd that won't say a word on vent. I could be the last person standing on my team and I don't have a clue where the other team is because nobody says a word. What the hell are we on vent for then?
On the other hand, I'm often stuck with the people who won't shut their mouth. Chatting about nothing at all or talking like a 15 year old halo player, its absurd the amount of crap these people can come up with. Not to mention that when I'm the last person alive, having 4 chatterboxes commentating on my every move is annoying to say the least. If I miss a shot I'm bad/awful/terrible, if I hit a shot its like they can't shut up about it. The f11 jokes were funny the first time I heard them, now its just another distraction. Worse off is the fact that every sentence from this group of players must end in "kid". You're only 15, you're hardly fit to be called a child.
So on top of all this, we then have the people go afk for an excessive amount of time or just flat out leave a game in progress. I can understand ducking out to change bags or whatever, but how shitty is it when both teams are playing a pretty close game only to have a person leave. It ruins the PUG and leaves everyone with a sour feeling.
PUGs are there so that when my team isn't on to scrim I can at least play with people who have a clue. Instead I'm finding pubs to be more fun, as I'm not getting killed from behind because I'm not expecting my teammates to cover the area they're in. I understand that baiting is something that won't go away, but when people make it so obvious it just makes me want to punch them in the face.
tl;dr PUGs just are not as good as they used to be back in the day. Share your experiences with PUGs in this thread.
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Bruce it's the state of this community. It's what I've been saying all along. 90% of this community just flat-out "Doesn't care" about anything. They don't care about the well-being of anyone else but themselves. There is only a small group who actually care to better this community and the game for the right reasons. The fact that this game has a lot of issues is a contributing factor. "If the developers don't care about us, why should I care about anything pertaining to them?" seems to be a common thought.
tl;dr - It's the attitude of this community as a whole. 90% don't care about the well-being of it. Only a few actually want to better it and provide a better experience. -
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Completely agree with bruce, you get a kill, they scream "tryhard", people rushing sites hoping to get frags and go 0-9 than go "its a pug bro, no one cares".
It would be much more fun if people put a bit of more effort into it, it would result in being much more fun, also having a clueless captain on one side results in stacking, which happen alot. -
yea same :PI was on your team when you called me a "F**king blocker ass".
Which was honestly unintentional but whatever.
:P yea but you know people...CookieMunzta wrote: »Perhaps you could organize some sort of PUG-like match or two, via the forumers' games thread. People usually seem to stick to the rules in those.
:P ikr? wogl is still a rip off because only way to win is hack right? Theres no proof that you hack... if your good? Im guessing i dont say i hack but i know theres always a hack.er in wogl they just don't show it... A sense that they do..It's a bunch of 13 year old boys who run it and a bunch who play in it, that's why i don't pug anymore, the only one worth showing up to is wogl.
hehehe sameAlways liked Krzy's old PUGG vent best. -
Only read the first page.
I have tried out most, if not all, the PUG vents. Very few I went to more then once. KrzY's was ok but had a decline. The rest as far as I remember had admins who are friends with a certain crowd and/or lazy ego-driven s.o.b.'s. Apart from that IMO, WOGL is the only one worth returning to as of now. WOGL did it right (mostly) from the get-go.
To wrap this up, only way PUGs can work is if you have an admin team of unbiased person(s) running the whole deal and strictly enforcing the rules. -
during the gm pug, the other team had 4 players of the same clan, breaking the rule, not really that bad but w/e.
we had 1 afker, that did nothing the whole match, since it was hakencruz i knew we would do better in gr but after we lost in the bl side, evre1 rq, there where only me and gigletron left ( +1 for him for staying
) and we where actually doing pretty good for a 2v5, when you pug, take it seriously, if so the other team will take it seriously and that way it wont just be a random pub. i don't pug, only on rare occasions, but thats manly due that the only reason i go on cf is to scrim from time to time -
during the gm pug, the other team had 4 players of the same clan, breaking the rule, not really that bad but w/e.
we had 1 afker, that did nothing the whole match, since it was hakencruz i knew we would do better in gr but after we lost in the bl side, evre1 rq, there where only me and gigletron left ( +1 for him for staying) and we where actually doing pretty good for a 2v5, when you pug, take it seriously, if so the other team will take it seriously and that way it wont just be a random pub. i don't pug, only on rare occasions, but thats manly due that the only reason i go on cf is to scrim from time to time
GM Pugs still go on?
On Topic: never joined an SnD Pug before, but from what I hear of it, just seems like people play it like a regular pub - they just don't really care what happens. -
GM Pugs still go on?
On Topic: never joined an SnD Pug before, but from what I hear of it, just seems like people play it like a regular pub - they just don't really care what happens.
nah was more of an event then anything else, and ye peoples play it like a pub.
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