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Max_Skillz: Dang it, I should go back to the barracks...
The_Tazz: ?
Max_Skillz: I'm referring to the rapidly growing debate that's been going on.
The_Tazz: oh, well it's been going back and forth. Seems like many agree, while the few mods that posted are like eh, w/e.
Max_Skillz: How do you feel about it?
The_Tazz: I don't care about it either way.
Max_Skillz: Well, I pretty much agree with the few that said it's just a game. I mean seriously it's kind of out there making a big deal out of this. I couldn't understand why they would, from my point of view I could care less about such things because they don't affect me. And I don't see how it bothers them so much.
Maybe I missed a point and don't fully understand what there getting at but still, if it's been a "problem" this whole time. What changed recently to make it such a big deal?
The_Tazz: I think you should read through the thread the OP linked, you might understand more.
Max_Skillz: Eh, I read through some of it, and read ALL of the 100+ posts of the new one. I still don't get why he's making such a big deal about people breaking rules. The issues are being addressed to the best of z8's ability I'm sure. And none of the issues really affect him anyway. So why all the fuss?
People break rules, people get punished, some get away wit it, life goes on. And as much as I usually can understand how people feel, this thread perplexes me. It's almost as impossible as asking that the internet be pg13. It simply isn't possible to have enough people working for a company to maintain 100% of the rules with 100% of there customers 100% of the time. -
You daft *****s, Kelathe is an educated BR, he is having you all on... xD
"Now you may ask, isn't that discrimination as well? I don't think so, as it seems to be what everyone is doing, so its equal"
You said you don't think it's discrimination but say that everyone is doing it anyway; So you do it too? That's kinda contradictory, as it still is a form of discrimination.
BRs could use the same thing against you - There really is a large amount of discrimination towards them, they return it to you, it's a never ending cycle... -
We should all remember that this is an English version of CrossFire and that should be preserved first and foremost.
While I am in full agreement with Kelathe, I do not believe that Z8Games has the will nor manpower to carry out the suggested changes. I cannot imagine them banning such a large portion of their ZP-buyers, even if they 1) devalue what is commonly referred to as the "CF community". 2) hack. 3) clearly and consistently harass people that cannot even understand what they are saying [(Z8 would most likely base their defense upon the 3rd point) however - it's called a language filter, just block some basic offensive statements in other languages]
I understand quite a bit of Spanish, that said, I also understand some Portuguese. In a room where the resident language is either Spanish or Portuguese, players that do not speak either language are kicked, but this works the opposite way in a room resident to English speaking players. The promoted changes to their ToS and/or efficiency to enforce them will cause Z8Games to make a simple choice between English and non-English speaking players and their selective-given rights in this "community".
Should any of these changes take effect, I expect that the "community" will immediately regret supporting any action taken by Z8Games. But, it's also my opinion that these changes could improve the long-term quality of this portal and it's games.
Regardless to all the above, Z8Games will probably do nothing more, if anything at all, than impose a multi-language filter, further action would cause them to lose profit. -
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For the rest of you that can't be bothered to read this but agree anyway don't waste your breath or time typing. Just leave the page now.
You guys don't seem to get it, I know where he is coming from, and its not about being too old or too young.
It doesn't matter what age you are, you should still know your rights for everything, being it a game or not.
And a "Win in the forums" isn't going to solve anything. Being from Ontario myself and also a consumer I know what he means. its just not right. They are favouring one group over another. Which is discrimination. Granted they are consumers too. This game has Canadian roots and most servers are here in Ontario.
It seems to me that Z8 has favoured one group over another, being this way more for the money which is EXTREMELY wrong on their part instead of doing what they should be doing.
Now there have been rumors of putting ping caps on and such, but that's just what it is, rumors, nothing has been done, nor has anything been said by the Z8 corporation which I find outlandish seeing as how there are thousands of players all saying the same thing. this man just had the courage we all couldn't find to take the routes appropriate.
Yeah I might get banned for this or what ever, But I am completely siding with Kelathe. We get insulted all the time in a different language or kicked form games because of our ping in REGULAR SERVERS because we aren't one of them, but as soon as we do it, its a big fuss, that's just not right. Yeah Z8, we understand you care more about the money they are giving you than what the game actually is. What you don't seem to understand is that the longer this goes on, the more NA players you're going to lose. Which is where this game is based in, and eventually you're just going to lose it. Do you really want to go down that road?
Like I said, I might get banned for this, but it would be for a good reason. and if they ban me, you know I've got a copy of this already saved and ready to go.
This is discrimination towards us. Not them. Now im not a racist in anyway. I'm seeing both sides of this coin and too me, it looks like the other side has been shined up way more than it needs to be.
Kelathe let me know if you need anything, I'm right beside you with this.
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I agree that many foreigners have annoying ways with the "natives" of this game. Their behaviours and such should not be tolerated.
However, sometimes I feel that Americans do get rather touchy with their game and their place in it. A player with 200 ping will have a harder time playing. I've been in the situation where I've put in my effort, seen at least 20 instances of blood on some <50 pinger, for him/her to spin on me and pull of some beautiful reg.
Now, I'm already angry. I really do deserve that damage, regardless of my ping. I saw the target and I hit it - who cares if there's delays? If the same picture was rendered on my screen 0.2ms before, chances are I would have simply hit you 0.2ms before.
So, the last thing I need is for the player who fragged on me or a friend/clanmate of his to start calling me out. Don't shout "fail". I put in more effort and I wasn't awarded with the result...
I've seen before on the forums players boasting that they kick anyone above 100 ping or so. There's also generally a lot of hate towards high pingers - "lagger" is an acceptable excuse for dieing. That's also discrimination in my book, and while the game was made for Americans and you may have local laws going for you, we're still all human, and I'm simply stating there should be equality in some situations.
Think about the whole "tanking" scenario in CrossFire. Noone really gets it. Majority of Americans I meet will call out "lagger" if they get fragged on by some high pinger, and many will complain about receiving no damage. They never see the other side of the coin - the lagger disadvantages himself with not much reg on his side either, and having the higher ping generally disadvantages you because the models drawn on your screen are more inaccurate. They also turn down any accusations of "tanking", with retorts such as "try aiming" or "look at your ping". Of course, the flip-side is again not seen - when they don't get damage, boy do they get ****ed.
Just my opinion. Arguably all these actions are justified by those classified under the "Brazilian" category - speaking a foreign language, using cheats and cheap weapons, and kicking those who are better or with lower ping. But I'm an Australian, and as I've stated, I occasionally get "fail" shot towards me when it shouldn't. -
I agree that many foreigners have annoying ways with the "natives" of this game. Their behaviours and such should not be tolerated.
However, sometimes I feel that Americans do get rather touchy with their game and their place in it. A player with 200 ping will have a harder time playing. I've been in the situation where I've put in my effort, seen at least 20 instances of blood on some <50 pinger, for him/her to spin on me and pull of some beautiful reg.
Now, I'm already angry. I really do deserve that damage, regardless of my ping. I saw the target and I hit it - who cares if there's delays? If the same picture was rendered on my screen 0.2ms before, chances are I would have simply hit you 0.2ms before.
So, the last thing I need is for the player who fragged on me or a friend/clanmate of his to start calling me out. Don't shout "fail". I put in more effort and I wasn't awarded with the result...
I've seen before on the forums players boasting that they kick anyone above 100 ping or so. There's also generally a lot of hate towards high pingers - "lagger" is an acceptable excuse for dieing. That's also discrimination in my book, and while the game was made for Americans and you may have local laws going for you, we're still all human, and I'm simply stating there should be equality in some situations.
Think about the whole "tanking" scenario in CrossFire. Noone really gets it. Majority of Americans I meet will call out "lagger" if they get fragged on by some high pinger, and many will complain about receiving no damage. They never see the other side of the coin - the lagger disadvantages himself with not much reg on his side either, and having the higher ping generally disadvantages you because the models drawn on your screen are more inaccurate. They also turn down any accusations of "tanking", with retorts such as "try aiming" or "look at your ping". Of course, the flip-side is again not seen - when they don't get damage, boy do they get ****ed.
Just my opinion. Arguably all these actions are justified by those classified under the "Brazilian" category - speaking a foreign language, using cheats and cheap weapons, and kicking those who are better or with lower ping. But I'm an Australian, and as I've stated, I occasionally get "fail" shot towards me when it shouldn't.
I find this extremely funny seeing as how, Me being a CANADIAN with low ping, get called out for being a "lagger" all the time. so what you're saying is null and void. I can tell you're one of the "high pingers" from the game just by what you're saying. And I've been kicked for having "low ping" and called a "hacker" for the same reasons. which is completely BS so please look at both sides before you post.
I don't mean for this to come off rude, but you have to keep in mind our side not just yours. Because we (the north Americans) do get discriminated on for our "ping" even being in regular servers because we happened to join a room with a bunch of "high pingers" that is just not right. -
This thread is ridiculous. I'm going with REX: why do you care so much about a game?
"lol dey be infrigan my rights and no do nothing!11"
You make it seem like you are the victim, when in reality, this stuff is in every single FPS game to date. You came to play for this, and just because you pointed out a few lines of text won't make much of a difference. I know, however, that half of the community is going to stand on your side and try to twist words like a tornado of bull****.
I am so glad I barely get myself involved in the community, mainly because we have stuff like this that manages to get onto the forums and noticed.
i am pretty sure there is no hackin on ps3 and xbox360 on FPS games..... -
winWin .This is what i call rolled roflstomped geegee ness win
winCuteNFluffyOoO wrote: »Win.
win[MOD]BlindRob wrote: »A lawyer would never even give a case about this consideration.
=/ lol
yes they woulddidnt he date a girl online and now he's talking about how its just "internet"
WIN.
REX you are a kid. you dont even understand what hes on about and you contradict.
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I'm a kid? a girl 10 miles away, who I can visit any day, is a kid move? Love isn't about kissing and sex kiddo.
you just proved my point, you horrible child you.
i was saying that you have totally misinterpreted what he was saying, and then you start contradicting badlly, "its just a game"...dude.. you wanna act grown up and mature then either stay out of it since you clearly don't understand, or try to read it again and if you still dont't get it RQ leave it for the Bigs.
and yes, a girl 10 miles away who you //can\\ vissit any day is a dumb move not necesarilly a kid move (mouth too far). and if love was all about sex and kissing it would be weird for people that loved their parents innit?
but having a SPOUSE in my opinion is ALL about poon and slobering. should i mention this has nothing to do with the thread or why i called you a kid? you MUST have figuered it out by now... -
Before this thread dies I will address a few things.
3.0 - 3.3
6.0
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10.0 - 10.4
Are all being re-examined. I should add that recently (within the last 2 months) the first part of the ToS involving account related issues was updated and made MUCH more clear than previous. Unfortunately for you, it's impossible to keep everyone aware of all the things going on internally. You're definitely not the first person (from the community, or internally within the company) to point out that the ToS needs to be updated for the size of our game.
But there is a lot of assumptions and highly unintelligent things hiding behind a lot of big words and official sounding writing.
For example.That means anything I find too vague or unclear, I will force into my favour.
You are not the first person in the world, on the internet or playing video games who has set (or tried to set) this precedent before.
ToS's are created to give companies OUTS. There needs to be policy and reason for when we issue a ban or removal of someone from our product. If you have taken law in university (doubtful) you would realize that all law is vague. Most of the time on purpose.On top of that, I will also be utilizing the apparent 'advantages' the foreigners get that normally would be against the ToS and also do them until this change in policy is more clear.
I'm curious as to why you think a "foreigner" (relative because you could be a foreigner to someone in the UK) gets advantages over you?Now before you even think about banning me, a specific individual for exerting their rights and simply return what has been a commonplace for not only me but dozens of other individuals. Keep one word in mind that would greatly be your downfall in such an instance. Discrimination. Which if I remember correctly is against the policy of most companies themselves and can be quite the big problem. So until the policy is changed correctly and ENFORCED properly, I will do what these foreigners have since nearly the beginning:
Under our policy we have the right to remove anyone contributing negatively to the game and the community in any way we see is appropriate punishment for that rule.
You think that we ban a few forum accounts of some trolls around here to be discrimination. You have absolutely no idea how many real bans we issue to people from all parts of the world. We ban forum accounts here because excessive trolling is useless and doesn't contribute ANYTHING to the community. Not to mention the forum population here, English or otherwise makes up a fraction of the games population. A highly vocal minority at best.if you refuse to allow me to interpret the ToS as i wish due to vague wording and improper structure you will also be violating my right as a consumer.
I hate to break it to you, but again, you aren't the first person on the internet to quote this law, try to use it for your advantage, or take it in to a game and abuse it. As I said before, vocal minority, and we have the right to remove close or ban anything we see as acting in a negative way to our community. You think if you posted some sort of vague interpretation of a rule on the WoW ToS that it wouldn't be removed from the Blizzard forums? People do it all the time.
A couple of highly FALSE quotes from this thread and why threads like this get removed (because they just create false assumptions from the public).Z8 does close to nothing about the BR hacker situation. The rules are worthless and this game is almost unplayable anymore.
False. And stop assuming every hacker comes from Brazil. Yesterday I banned tons of hackers from Canada. And they were real obvious speed hackers too.I Lol when they run out of things to say and go "It's just a game" to cover there asses lol.
This seems to imply the Moderators are official word? Rex was simply stating his opinion. Moderators have never been an official source of information. Using the word "They" (as implying that Rex is an employee of the company) just shows ignorance for the structure of the community. And a lack of knowledge of how ANY official game company brings on mods to help run their forums/community.As stated in my post linked, the lack of people to enforce these rules is not OUR fault, but the companies. Its their responsibility to maintain their property and consumers after all. I did not say 'all' of it was ignored, just a good bundle I find should be looked into a bit more.
This is a highly twisted view of what our "responsibility is". If you go to a grocery store it is their responsibility to keep the shelves stocked. But they don't have to. They do it because if they didn't stock the shelves with a certain product then someone looking for that may not come back. We have to maintain a site and a game and servers. What we do for the community, ESPECIALLY the forums, is above and beyond what our "responsibility" is.Personally I thank you for your time expressing your opinions, and in some cases facts. But it has to start somewhere eh? All I'm asking for is clarity and equality right?
There are right and wrong ways to go about this. So far from reading all the threads on this subject you have made about clarity and equality its been about: "I don't like Brazillians and I want to stop them from playing Cross Fire. How can I do that within the limits of the ToS so that I don't get banned."
Further notes can be taken up with me via PM. A thread like this is never going to stay on topic and is just creating too many false assumptions and as Denxi pointed out "hive-mind" like actions.
This discussion has been closed.
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