ATTN: CSN Scout Anti-Cheat is available for Cross Fire

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  • [MOD]dot wrote: »
    Oh I see.

    If you do cheat in the source leauge with source cheats though, you'll be banned..
    Is it the fact that they don't take the opportunity that you oppose?

    I don't see much wrong with it.. I assume a ban in any game means a ban from the whole network..

    If I am cheating in the source league and it doesn't detect my source cheats, but detects my crossfire cheats I don't get a ban. If I am cheating in the crossfire league and it doesn't detect my crossfire cheats, but it detects my source cheats I don't get a ban.
  • Obviously I'm overlooking something vital here, or my view on the problem differs.
    Wouldn't be comfortable banning someone from one game for having cheats for another game.

    If it detects your source cheats while playing the Crossfire league, it'll most likely detect your source cheats while playing the source league too.
    Of course it would be smoother just to ban straight up for having the cheats.. Problem is, the rosters would get very short very fast.

    Banning for running the cheats while running the game corresponding to the cheat is just the safest route.
  • All i see is a bunch of cheaters scared of getting caught. bloodyfire is right, ban them all.
  • This same BS literally drove me nuts in other leagues.

    Whatever, hope this league gets over ran like cevo did. Eventually they will learn a lesson.
  • [MOD]dot wrote: »
    Obviously I'm overlooking something vital here, or my view on the problem differs.
    Wouldn't be comfortable banning someone from one game for having cheats for another game.

    If it detects your source cheats while playing the Crossfire league, it'll most likely detect your source cheats while playing the source league too.
    Of course it would be smoother just to ban straight up for having the cheats.. Problem is, the rosters would get very short very fast.

    Banning for running the cheats while running the game corresponding to the cheat is just the safest route.

    Didn't know it is so hard to find players that don't cheat. Then again it is crossfire.
  • doop51 wrote: »
    Didn't know it is so hard to find players that don't cheat. Then again it is crossfire.
    Pretty sure you'll find cheats for some game on the PC of every avid gamer, even if its for solitaire.

    Which is why leagues with pretty slim margins (all of them?) need to ban for offenses, not possession.
  • Just straight up ban anyone with any type of cheats/injectors on the games you support, I was going to agree with the way it is, if your playing the league just for crossfire, focus it on JUST CROSSFIRE, anything off client for good teams doesn't matter. However seeing how the community responded, best thing to do is ban anyone with any cheats for games you support. <- not my personal opinion, but the community's point of view.

    my opinion: You're playing the league for crossfire, it should just look up your cf cheats, if you play it for source, it'll look up your source cheats. You're playing the league for CF, on client legit, it shouldn't interfere with your other games, you play on client for cf, you cheat in source and don't play on client, It's completely fine the way it is, my 2 cents.
  • This is the be all, end all exchange starter. Either respond to the post below, make a new thread because it's another subject entirely, or don't respond. I will refute responses given, guaranteed.

    NOTE: I'm questioning obvious questions for a reason. Just play along.

    Question: Why should someone be banned from the CF division for just possessing CS:S cheats? Please provide reasoning.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    This is the be all, end all exchange starter. Either respond to the post below, make a new thread because it's another subject entirely, or don't respond. I will refute responses given, guaranteed.

    NOTE: I'm questioning obvious questions for a reason. Just play along.

    Question: Why should someone be banned from the CF division for just possessing CS:S cheats? Please provide reasoning.

    because CSS > CF and if you cheat in css you are pretty much a failure and should be banned for all games in CSN
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    because CSS > CF and if you cheat in css you are pretty much a failure and should be banned for all games in CSN

    That's a question of ethics and personal bias. We're trying to keep as much bias out of the picture as possible. Meaning that we stick to specific rules for specific sections.

    So as long as we stick to rules, and not bias, their ethics have nothing to do with this.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    That's a question of ethics and personal bias. We're trying to keep as much bias out of the picture as possible. Meaning that we stick to specific rules for specific sections.

    So as long as we stick to rules, and not bias, their ethics have nothing to do with this.

    once a cheater always a cheater
  • Denxi wrote: »
    This is the be all, end all exchange starter. Either respond to the post below, make a new thread because it's another subject entirely, or don't respond. I will refute responses given, guaranteed.

    NOTE: I'm questioning obvious questions for a reason. Just play along.

    Question: Why should someone be banned from the CF division for just possessing CS:S cheats? Please provide reasoning.

    they shouldn't be banned for another game.
    My personal opinion is to ban them...because I don't like cheaters.
    But it's not fair to do that.
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    once a cheater always a cheater

    A) That's obviously not true to every case.

    B) That's a bias, so again, with trying to keep that out of and rulings, that's a policy that we aren't willing to support. It's not 100% accurate, an considering the huge amount of variables pertaining to it, it's best off left alone.
  • Why don't they make everyone download it before they play.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    A) That's obviously not true to every case.

    B) That's a bias, so again, with trying to keep that out of and rulings, that's a policy that we aren't willing to support. It's not 100% accurate, an considering the huge amount of variables pertaining to it, it's best off left alone.

    so you're saying you wouldn't like seeing some cf kids who play cf get caught cheating in source?
  • Why don't they make everyone download it before they play.

    Because Z8 has their own Anti-Cheat, and they have no official obligations to use ours, nor do they currently have any reason to WANT to use ours.
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    so you're saying you wouldn't like seeing some cf kids who play cf get caught cheating in source?

    What I want and what my personal bias is have nothing to do with this. I'm against all cheating, however that doesn't mean I believe that if you cheat in one specific environment, you'll cheat in them all.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    What I want and what my personal bias is have nothing to do with this. I'm against all cheating, however that doesn't mean I believe that if you cheat in one specific environment, you'll cheat in them all.

    well if you cheat in one game the AC supports and you play in another game the AC supports (Cheating or not) you should not be able too play.
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    well if you cheat in one game the AC supports and you play in another game the AC supports (Cheating or not) you should not be able too play.

    There's a difference in cheating in the game, and cheating UNDER A/C in said game.

    If you cheat under A/C in Source, you'll be banned from CSN entirely.

    If you have Source cheats on you computer, but play CF, then you aren't breaking the rules of the CSN event you are participating in.

    Cheating under CSN and cheating in Pubs are two completely different scenarios.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    There's a difference in cheating in the game, and cheating UNDER A/C in said game.

    If you cheat under A/C in Source, you'll be banned from CSN entirely.

    If you have Source cheats on you computer, but play CF, then you aren't breaking the rules of the CSN event you are participating in.

    Cheating under CSN and cheating in Pubs are two completely different scenarios.

    what im trying to get across is that it should scan for cheats for every single game it supports.
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    what im trying to get across is that it should scan for cheats for every single game it supports.

    Which it does.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    Which it does.

    But didn't they say you choose cf and it only looks for cf hacks?
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    But didn't they say you choose cf and it only looks for cf hacks?

    Nope, I don't believe that was said. Only that you'd be banned for CF hacks under CF.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    Nope, I don't believe that was said. Only that you'd be banned for CF hacks under CF.

    isn't that what i just said?
  • WolvesG wrote: »
    isn't that what i just said?

    Looking for and banning for are two different things.
  • Why are kids just arguing? their policy makes perfect sense, it might not be what you or I like...but it's fair.
  • Denxi wrote: »
    This is the be all, end all exchange starter. Either respond to the post below, make a new thread because it's another subject entirely, or don't respond. I will refute responses given, guaranteed.

    NOTE: I'm questioning obvious questions for a reason. Just play along.

    Question: Why should someone be banned from the CF division for just possessing CS:S cheats? Please provide reasoning.

    Leagues are here to promote competitive gaming. Hacks have no place in competitive gaming, not even for leisure. Any sort of tolerance towards hacking is laughable, in my opinion. If you want to attract a player base that hacks in multiplayer videogames, go right ahead. Just be sure to leave words like competitive and professional out of your league.
  • [MOD]dot wrote: »
    Pretty sure you'll find cheats for some game on the PC of every avid gamer, even if its for solitaire.

    Which is why leagues with pretty slim margins (all of them?) need to ban for offenses, not possession.

    There's a big difference between an advid gamer and a competitive gamer.
  • IMO i don't give a rats ass if you cheat in any other games. We're all playing in a CROSSFIRE league/tournament, so it should only matter if someone try to cheat in this game during a match. Don't know why people are bringing out cs and source into this matter. If this is how the AC works then I'm okay with it..as long as it works right?
  • doop51 wrote: »
    Leagues are here to promote competitive gaming. Hacks have no place in competitive gaming, not even for leisure. Any sort of tolerance towards hacking is laughable, in my opinion. If you want to attract a player base that hacks in multiplayer videogames, go right ahead.

    Obviously hacks have no place in competitive gaming. However a public/private game to screw around is not competitive gaming. Unless you can interview every single person with hacks found and flawlessly judge their character from that, then you need to have a policy that will still give everyone a chance, and only punish the people that deserve to be punished.
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