AK47 Custom (clean version)
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BROOSEONERRR wrote: »In the same way they balanced the M4A1 Custom, Bruce.
The M4custom has the same power, just a different recoil pattern.
The point is, giving the most powerful rifle in the game a supressor just isn't right.
I don't know what to believe now, the majority of the M4-C users say that the damage was reduced :l -
How power is a PRO in all weapons regardless of how much damage they do? So the UZI's low damage is also considered a PRO? Sure thing...Yes, its still a pro. The power of the UZI STILL doesn't add HP. Thank goodness, you're not a bookkeeper, Spawn. You would book small profits as a loss.
We don't really care about the damage over time, it that was the case, all the guides about the M4 and AK series would be kinda useless, since they all state how much damage 1 bullet does when they hit certain part of the body.
Have you read a Micro Galil or even a UZI guide? Exactly...
You should go to the Guides Section of the forum, they are all there if you don't believe me.You don't care that an UZI does the same damage as an AK47 does in a second, because you are too focused on that 1 bullet. But that's how balancing guns work, Spawn. In 1 second an UZI does the same amount of damage as an AK47 does. Only the UZI uses 8 bullets in 1 second and the AK47 only 3.
You said that the pros and cons should cancel out, therefore making the gun balanced. Then I posted those factors and clearly the ak-47 custom had more PROs than CONs and yet you still say that the AK-47 custom is still balanced.No, you only mentioned a few pros and cons. They still lack a value by which they can be calculated.
You can still prove me wrong even if I believe I'm right, that's why debates/arguments exist, I just see that statement as an excuse to not post the so called proof that you have.
Me asking you to prove how this gun is balanced and your inability to do so (explaining how the balancing method works and adding 1 PRO and 1 CON to the weapons doesn't count) is not more than mere signs that you are not even sure of what you are trying to suggest.
Until you stop giving excuses and start posting proof that you are right, I will still have the same thought, that this gun is OP.No, Spawn. A debate is useless if there isn't a common understanding. You are either incapable or unwilling to speak my language, and thus you will not take my explanations as valid counter arguments. Thereby making this debate pointless.
BROOSEONERRR wrote: »In the same way they balanced the M4A1 Custom, Bruce.
The M4custom has the same power, just a different recoil pattern.
The point is, giving the most powerful rifle in the game a supressor just isn't right.But that's just it. You measure power by only looking at its Power stat. I measure power by looking at ALL of its stats. And this makes the AK47 just as powerful as the M4A1.
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Instead of trolling and crying about this idea you could atleast shut up and appreciate the effort Lolli put into making this thread.
I support this idea so bad . ;D the best ak probably.
off topic: i support an g36k adv !! lol
Nice job Lolli ^^ i appreciate ur work
NOW FLAME ME ! . -
*flamethrower* Kill it with fire.Instead of trolling and crying about this idea you could atleast shut up and appreciate the effort Lolli put into making this thread.
I support this idea so bad . ;D the best ak probably.
off topic: i support an g36k adv !! lol
Nice job Lolli ^^ i appreciate ur work
NOW FLAME ME ! . -
LolliRoger wrote: »the UZI uses 8 bullets in 1 second and the AK47 only 3.
In this game, the AK-47 fire 8.64 bullets per second. (I tested)
I didn't test the UZI, but in comparison, the M12s fire 12.69 bullets per second.
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Kilanomane wrote: »In this game, the AK-47 fire 8.64 bullets per second. (I tested)
I didn't test the UZI, but in comparison, the M12s fire 12.69 bullets per second.
I do support this suggestion!
sooo, the uzi has a RoF in real life at about 600 rpm(normal full size uzi), 17~20 damage per shot in-game, huh, it can kill in 1 second minimum without headshots, the ak-47, that fires up to 8 shots a second, can kill up to 2 people and badly hurt someone in 1 second burst, well, it surely does more damage, but if you look at the weight of both weapons you'll se the diference .-., that's why all the stats should be considered while judging a weapons, not just power, ammo and RoF >.> -
No that's not a pro, that's a con. For getting a weapon with fast RoF, reload and lightweight, you will have to deal with the low damage.LolliRoger wrote: »Yes, its still a pro. The power of the UZI STILL doesn't add HP. Thank goodness, you're not a bookkeeper, Spawn. You would book small profits as a loss.That's what I was asking for, those values, the ones that you never posted, and I'm the one not speaking your language.LolliRoger wrote: »You don't care that an UZI does the same damage as an AK47 does in a second, because you are too focused on that 1 bullet. But that's how balancing guns work, Spawn. In 1 second an UZI does the same amount of damage as an AK47 does. Only the UZI uses 8 bullets in 1 second and the AK47 only 3.
It takes more than one second to kill somebody with the UZI.LolliRoger wrote: »No, you only mentioned a few pros and cons. They still lack a value by which they can be calculated.
No, Spawn. A debate is useless if there isn't a common understanding. You are either incapable or unwilling to speak my language, and thus you will not take my explanations as valid counter arguments. Thereby making this debate pointless.LolliRoger wrote: »But that's just it. You measure power by only looking at its Power stat. I measure power by looking at ALL of its stats. And this makes the AK47 just as powerful as the M4A1.
In a CQC between an AK user and an M4 user who would be winner most of the times? Exactly...
May be that's why the Ak47 is called the CQC king?Instead of trolling and crying about this idea you could atleast shut up and appreciate the effort Lolli put into making this thread.
I support this idea so bad . ;D the best ak probably.
off topic: i support an g36k adv !! lol
Nice job Lolli ^^ i appreciate ur work
NOW FLAME ME ! .
Don't get me wrong, I love the weapon and how Lolli ellaborated the post.
She is one of the few forum members that actually post something of value nowadays.
However, this whole discussion started when I asked her "How is this gun not OP?"
OP = Over Powered
My posts might look like flaming, but I'm not, I never insulted her or the idea.
Before using those fingers, read the whole thread, unless you want someone to make you look like a fool. -
No that's not a pro, that's a con. For getting a weapon with fast RoF, reload and lightweight, you will have to deal with the low damage.My God, you are a frustrating thickheaded moron! Now listen for just once is your F'ing life. Don't look at the end result. Don't think highs or lows are pros or cons. Is the Power stat there to help you or hinder you? EXACTLY, GENIUS! Power is a stat there to help you. The higher it is, the more it helps. Therefore Power is a pro stat. It doesn't matter if it does 1 damage or 1,000, it does damage. Recoil is a stat that hinders you. The high stat is, the more it hinders. Thus recoil is a con stat.
It takes more than one second to kill somebody with the UZI.Nope, it doesn't. Go ask people like CookieUzi or -Feeed*.
That's what I was asking for, those values, the ones that you never posted, and I'm the one not speaking your language.Well some of those values are in my post. I'm not a developer for CrossFire, so I don't know how heavy they value the Scope, the Suppressor, and the Semi-Auto Fire mode.
In a CQC between an AK user and an M4 user who would be winner most of the times? Exactly...
May be that's why the Ak47 is called the CQC king?And at long range it's the M4A1's low recoil that wins. What's your point?
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FrenchyzSkillz wrote: »Im pretty sure they would have looked at it by now...They have.
Ewww I can't emagine them making an ak silenced in this game just couldn't ..And why is that? Are just here to improve your post count, or are you actually going to elaborate on this post of yours?
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Ewww I can't emagine them making an ak silenced in this game just couldn't ..LolliRoger wrote: »And why is that? Are just here to improve your post count, or are you actually going to elaborate on this post of yours?
Jesus Loll-i stop owning people lol. Also, I would love to see this gun in my eyes and giggle like a little baby
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SouthStyleRR wrote: »The difference between Lolli and trolls is that Lolli actually suceeds at what she's doing. Hail to the Troll Master.I'm not a troll, but a gremlin. Trolls are just mean and stupid, and likely to get infractions for their actions. Gremlins are worse. They know just how far they can go to avoid getting noticed.
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NEW Ak! (yeah!) Advanced. (omg sounds good!!..) +5 Bullets. (mmmh ok nothing new..but yeah!) Red dot scope (mmhh could be useful! maybe..) Silenced. (..wut?) Less RoF (what??) Less power. (WHATTT????) Heavier. (WDF?? omg)
sorry lolli but i'm an old school ak user..for me this is trash
but maybe ppl would like it so keep it on 
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LolliRoger wrote: »Due to continuous trolling leading to non-stop flaming, I had a moderator close the old thread (after 54 pages). I've made some minor alterations to my original idea, which might please some of the few opposing this idea.
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Power: Has been reduced from 96 to 95.
Accuracy: Has been increased from 95 to 98. (AK47 Scope, Silver and Gold are all 97)
Automatic: Has been reduced from 52 to 50.
Recoil: Has been kept the same, 76.
Weight: Has been increased 49 to 50
Also:
+5 Ammo bonus.
A red-dot scope similar to the M4A1 Custom.
Semi-automatic while scoped-in.
A suppressor, that lowers the sound level of the AK47 by 2/3.
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Okay, to stop this thread from being flooded by people saying "We already have an AK47 Scope", like the old thread, let me say that it's not. First of all, this weapon is as different from the AK47 Scope as the M4A1 Custom is from the M4A1 Advanced or Silver. Just because it has a scope doesn't mean it is an AK47 Scope. Second, this scope is completely different from the AK47 Scope. Not only is it a red-dot scope, like the M4A1 Custom scope, but zoomed in, its fire rate is also reduced to semi-automatic. Meaning it with fire as fast as the PSG-1 Red Dragon or the MSG90 while scoped in. So it's not full auto, as with the AK47 Scope.
And finally, what also makes it different from the AK47 Scope, is the obvious added suppressor and the skin.
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Now to tackle the "AK47 is suppose to be loud" and "The AK47 can't use a suppressor, because..." posts. First of all, the loudness of the AK47 is due to both its ammo size, as well as the design of the weapon. This is true. However, this does not mean that the AK47 MUST be loud to function properly. Thus the suppressor. Can an AK47 be custom fitted with a suppressor? Yes, it can. If sniper rifles with even larger bullets can be customized to carry suppressors, then so can the AK47.
When you look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQCAKGcUi0c
you can see both the AK47 and the AK47 suppressed being fired next to one and other. If you think that both sound the same, then you should listen for the echo of the shots when fired. That's where there is a noticeable difference.
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And now for the "But we already have tons of AK47's. Why not customize the <insert weapon of choice here> instead?" posts. Well, for one, the M4A1 and the AK47 are signature weapons for this game. So you can better get used to it, because in the coming years we are going to see a lot more copies of these weapons. That's why we might as well start off with this one. And two, I like this weapon to become a custom, like the M4A1.
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And finally, the "The AK47 Custom would be too overpowering." posts. First of all, let me break it down for you, using some basic algebra;
M4A1 = AK47
Both weapons are considered to be balanced. The M4A1 has low power, and low recoil. The AK47 has high power, and high recoil. Now the M4A1 has a Custom version, and its stats has been altered to be made balanced enough for this game. So;
M4A1 = M4A1 Custom
Since the added pros of the suppressor and scope are counteracted by added cons on the stats and spray pattern, customization itself is kept balanced. So;
Custom = 0
And if that is true for the M4A1 Custom, then the same would apply for the AK47 Custom;
AK47 = AK47 Custom
Also, the sound of the AK47 is not going to be reduced to the spitting sound the M4A1 Custom makes. Because the regular AK47 is noticeably louder than the M4A1, the AK47 Custom will also be noticeably louder than the M4A1 Custom.
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So, now that I've covered most of the common replies that oppose this concept, I'll ask you; If you have anything to add, that doesn't fall into the above 4 mentioned type of posts, please do so below.
dont support / too much versions from the ak and the m4 i want more other weapons upgrated -
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BecksIce92 wrote: »dont support / too much versions from the ak and the m4 i want more other weapons upgratedWhat Kilanomane above me is referring to, is this...LolliRoger wrote: »And now for the "But we already have tons of AK47's. Why not customize the <insert weapon of choice here> instead?" posts. Well, for one, the M4A1 and the AK47 are signature weapons for this game. So you can better get used to it, because in the coming years we are going to see a lot more copies of these weapons. That's why we might as well start off with this one. And two, I like this weapon to become a custom, like the M4A1....section of the first post you just quoted, and the request...LolliRoger wrote: »So, now that I've covered most of the common replies that oppose this concept, I'll ask you; If you have anything to add, that doesn't fall into the above 4 mentioned type of posts, please do so below....not to post such useless comments again.
*Sigh*
I guess stupidity can't be helped.
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