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Enough with the STEALTH NERFS on ZM weapons! WE PAID MONEY TO UPGRADE THEM!
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You spend money and wonder about progress?
For instance, if you had bought a Nokia phone 14 years, you could have been crying about release of iphone!
So stop crying pls, that you possibly wasted your money - it was your decision to buy. Accept it or go play another game!
I have to assume you weren't the smartest kid in your class. Just to make your example fit in this situation, I made some adjustments:
I bought a Nokia 1 year ago and today the Nokia CEO comes to my door and smashes my phone on the ground telling me that I can keep using it. (well, being a Nokia it wouldn't actually break, but I hope even the feeble-minded can understand the point) -
Andrew1798 wrote: »
I have to assume you weren't the smartest kid in your class. Just to make your example fit in this situation, I made some adjustments:
I bought a Nokia 1 year ago and today the Nokia CEO comes to my door and smashes my phone on the ground telling me that I can keep using it. (well, being a Nokia it wouldn't actually break, but I hope even the feeble-minded can understand the point)
a better example is when apple slowed the older iphones
and got sued for a 500 millions $ -
Andrew1798 wrote: »DEAR Game Masters,
Why wasn't the M4A1-Laser Gold STEALTH NERF enough a few months ago, where you lowered its damage by a lot on Fatal Canyon (and perhaps other maps)? Why didn't you stop there? With the last patch you STEALTH NERFED AK-47 Buster Gold too, now the 10 grenades barely kill a group of zombies on Crater Dawn!!!
This is the final straw! Starting today, I will be joining the I-GOT-THE-MIDDLEFINGER-TOO-MANY-TIMES-SO-IM-NOT-BUYING-ZP-ANYMORE group until you REVERT these UNANNOUNCED nerfs. This is unacceptable! Some of us (the ones who didn't play with hackers) earned these jewels by hard work and others like me bought them with ZP (REAL MONEY that you received).
My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.
It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and tell us what happened really.
oh btw, thank you for 48k zp - in total I received 70k zp from selling jewels! -
a better example is when apple slowed the older iphones
and got sued for a 500 millions $
That's a good comparison.
I wonder if the laws will evolve, so that digital only stuff (like game items), will fall under the same laws as physical ones in the future?
10 years ago, you couldn't get punished by the law, for cyber-bullying and stuff like that. Today it is a crime in many countries.
Before Napster was taken to court, there weren't really any laws about spreading copyrighted material without permission online. It might still have been Illegal, but no one did anything about it.JackPain (Sweden) -
oh btw, thank you for 48k zp - in total I received 70k zp from selling jewels!
You are just a troll, anything you say equals to zero since you never read & understood the meaning of this thread.
Hope you can buy your own ventilator with those 70k zp. Please stay safe during these harsh times, you would be greatly missed around here.
Everyone is looking forward to your next insightful comment! -
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IGN_Galaxy wrote: »I think they have reduced the damage of the current weapon because waiting for the weapons coming in the future may will be better
like Holy Shotgun
You Think? Okay so why buy ANY weapon at all if something that might come out in the future will be better? No sorry, that answer does not work here and does not even make any sense. -
You Think? Okay so why buy ANY weapon at all if something that might come out in the future will be better? No sorry, that answer does not work here and does not even make any sense.
It was just a belief
because I don't see them doing anything about the current weapons, it just gets worse -
We've a big problem about ak47 golden buster.Actually ak47 golden buster's normal attacks ( normal bullets ) weaker than AA-12 BUSTER but ak47's special bombs stronger than AA12-BUSTER's special attacks.
I'm a zombie player and just i'm joining to game for play ZOMBIE MODE at this point we have a problem.
AK-47 GOLDEN BUSTER's special attack (bombs) are not able to give damage to boss.I tried this damage bug in a lot of map and everytime i try i saw same status.
SPECIAL BOMBS ARE NOT ABLE TO GIVE DAMAGE TO BOSS. AA12 have not a problem about that.
I tried this problem in this maps : UNEARTH / DEADLY TOWER zm3 / CREATER DOWN / VENICE / DEVASTED CITY / CREATER
We can win this item from Creater Down but this weapon cant give special damage in Creater Down.
İts not look like a nerf because bombs are giving 0 damage to bosses.We spend a lot of JEWEL for uprgrade to golden.I think its not fair pls fix that bug.If this weapon can not give bombs damage to boss why did we spend a lot of jewel for uprgrade.
Thanks for read.Please fix this bug. -
I find it sad that no Crossfire staff responded to this thread. It has had 43 replies from interested parties. Why no reply from staff? Surely you see this? Can you give us answers? Or are we just to shut up,whilst you hope we just forget about it? Is it really too much to give us a reply? Please?
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I find it sad that no Crossfire staff responded to this thread. It has had 43 replies from interested parties. Why no reply from staff? Surely you see this? Can you give us answers? Or are we just to shut up,whilst you hope we just forget about it? Is it really too much to give us a reply? Please?
If you see no replies, nothing is going to get done about it. Silence speaks volumes.
They have nothing to gain from responding to you.
They either;
1) respond saying nothing is going to get done => community outrage
2) respond saying something is going to get done about it (absent hence nothing will be done)
3) in case the weapons truly weren't nerfed, they respond to you saying so => they still get the community outraged about them lying and stealth nerfing the guns.. -
Integrity. Just that one little thing is the very thing that I would like to see. An honest answer is all that is required here. Offering to help others in need and showing some respect for the players that fund this game.
Can we have that answer as to what has happened here please? Any GMs reading this? What can you tell us? -
Integrity. Just that one little thing is the very thing that I would like to see. An honest answer is all that is required here. Offering to help others in need and showing some respect for the players that fund this game.
Can we have that answer as to what has happened here please? Any GMs reading this? What can you tell us?
They still haven't fixed the ZM-ranked error for the EU-server either. I reported but GM K said they told him that it should work and does so for other people in game, so he sent me a list of things that could be wrong with my PC, which is not the case. Let's see if they do anything about the nerfs or the error after the June-Update, my guess is that they won't.
I am still very angry because of the stealth-nerfs and more than a little irritated that I basically got a pat on the head and told to move on, when I reported the ZM-error. I am not angry at GM K for this, I am angry at the the ones in tech-support who told him, that everything is working. But I know now, that I wont bother to report anything in the future, as it is meaningless.JackPain (Sweden) -
What's also kind of sad about it too is that it looks like they want people to try the Holy Shotgun. If I had to speculate, the nerf on the AK-Buster was to encourage people to try using a shotgun focused on crowd control. The M4A1-Laser might be more of a surgical tool, but the Shotgun is nowhere near effective as the AK47-Buster nor is it anywhere near effective on its own. Now that the AK47-Buster is nerfed, I wonder about how that affects the meta in the coming months. I bet the shotgun will turn out like the gatling and be useless.
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EisTeeLem0n wrote: »The M4-Gold seemed to be nerfed again. It used to do 80ish DMG on Elemental Temple, now it only does 50-60. The Laser is slowly becoming useless now.
Z8 policy = If a weapon is considered not worth using (Gatling & Shotgun), don't make them more useful by making them better. Just make every gun that people use instead worse.:(:mad:JackPain (Sweden) -
Its strange how this thread has over 2300 views and only 50 replies from about 30 different people. Nothing will be done about this because not enough players are complaining. If this thread had +500 replies we would have gotten a few responses from gms but that obviously wont happen.
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I can confirm that the M4-Laser seems to be nerfed as well. In Ranked ZM it is the most noticeable from my point of view. I used to have much higher damage output on the same stage with a rank about 15 and now, at rank 27 (with all attack cores unlocked and two special cores instead of one) on the same stage with the same team (the others from the team have also gotten much higher ranks), it takes more time to clear the entire map. Strange how these changes are never mentioned in the update notes. The lack of transparency from the provider's side tells a lot about how much they care about the community and let us not forget that we enable them to make a living out of this game, not the other way around.
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Its strange how this thread has over 2300 views and only 50 replies from about 30 different people. Nothing will be done about this because not enough players are complaining. If this thread had +500 replies we would have gotten a few responses from gms but that obviously wont happen.
Strange indeed if you consider that on 26.05 20 in crossfire barracks, tuziem asked for an opinion about crossfire HD's release date.
That was met with a response from Mod Abel on the very SAME day to say we're not allowed to talk about CF HD on any platform under smilegate west.
Also to put that into perspective with what you say here is this. That post had 1 reply ( mod Abel ) and only 99 views.
There is no consistency on the replies from the staff here.
We deserve a reply. The thread merits that and especially when you consider now that even the M4 laser is now being mentioned as being nerfed.
I ask again. Can we have a reply please? -
Andrew1798 wrote: »DEAR Game Masters,
Why wasn't the M4A1-Laser Gold STEALTH NERF enough a few months ago, where you lowered its damage by a lot on Fatal Canyon (and perhaps other maps)? Why didn't you stop there? With the last patch you STEALTH NERFED AK-47 Buster Gold too, now the 10 grenades barely kill a group of zombies on Crater Dawn!!!
This is the final straw! Starting today, I will be joining the I-GOT-THE-MIDDLEFINGER-TOO-MANY-TIMES-SO-IM-NOT-BUYING-ZP-ANYMORE group until you REVERT these UNANNOUNCED nerfs. This is unacceptable! Some of us (the ones who didn't play with hackers) earned these jewels by hard work and others like me bought them with ZP (REAL MONEY that you received).
My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.
It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and tell us what happened really.
its simple man. They nerf the weapons to become useless. In future they will add new weapons with higher dmg output and everything occur again -> circle of hamster. Thats how you keep the players into a game and make them addicted. But this phenomenon isnt new. Almost every game company - started from eg ea sports to z8games - is mocking their player base. -
Strange indeed if you consider that on 26.05 20 in crossfire barracks tuziem asked for an opinion about crossfire HD's release date.
That was met with a response from Mod Abel on the very SAME day to say we're not allowed to talk about CF HD on any platform under smilegate west.
Also to put that into perspective with what you say here is this. That post had 1 view ( mod Abel ) and only 99 views.
There is no consistency on the replies from the staff here.
We deserve a reply. The thread merits that and especially when you consider now that even the M4 laser is now being mentioned as being nerfed.
I ask again. Can we have a reply please?
Why does everyone always bring up Mods in terms of replies?
Mods are just players like you. We don't know what changes are made besides what's in the patch notes.
As for dealing with the other games thing, we have rules which we have to make sure are being followed.
We know for certain, for example, that swearing isn't allowed, so we can be 100% sure that we can remove it.
However, we do not know if a weapon has been nerfed. We cannot answer that any better than everyone here has done, especially Painanator.
Hats off to you for testing everything, that's dedication. -
Well. First. Thanks for the reply Bunni . It is good that finally we have been noticed.
You say that Mods do not know if a weapon has been nerfed . We are telling you that weapons Have been nerfed.
Stuff like this is not helping the game as it makes us not want to purchase ZP in the future.
As a Mod, do you at least have any contact with the Z8 Tech support to raise our concerns when we put them forward? You know? Like telling your employers that there is a problem that might need to be addressed. They need to be told. Who's job is that?
I have to say that I do not know the exact powers that a Mod might or might not have.
We have a forum to air our views. What else is there that we can do to make something happen when we see these issues occur?
How things look from our point of view, is that no one is interested in what we, the great unwashed player base might think.
I do know that in my line of work if one of my customers have an issue which is valid, then I would do my utmost to put things right to make that customer happy and keep them coming back for more..
Also yes. Hats off indeed to Painanator for the work that he has done, if any proof was needed, but will it be acted on? That is the question. -
Hey guys, a couple of things to note here since this was brought to my attention:
-As far as I keep being told, nerfs have not happened, despite what everyone keeps saying. I have seen no definitive video evidence between now and before (no evidence at all actually) that proves there has been a difference. If someone provides that evidence to me I can pressure a few places more, but without it I am sure you can understand the difficulty of the following conversation:
"Have ZM weapons been nerfed?"
"No."
-Moderators are volunteer players. They have no authority over the game staff, and only exist to forward issues to us and keep things clean here on the forums and on discord. They have the following powers: Infractions on forums, moving/deleting threads on forums, infractions and bans on discord. As a result, I would like you guys to stop putting pressure on them for things they cannot control. That pressure belongs on game staff (which usually falls on the GM's you see although its not our decision to make any changes, but such is our position to take that heat)
-On a note of personal annoyance, stop with the whole "money we payed YOU". Yes, you purchased ZP and received items with that ZP and as a company we are grateful for it. However, there seems to be a general consensus that the money you pay instantly goes in full into the pocket of the GM's, which is simply not the case. For example, the more realistic ideal to keep in mind is that I personally will never see a cent of the money that you have individually paid. It is more likely to go into server costs to keep the game upkeep, development costs, etc etc. And it certainly does not go from your paypal account into my bank. Anyone who has worked for any sort of public facing role would think the notion of this incredibly silly. So as a personal request please stop with that kind of point.
-For the person complaining that Abel would not let them talk about CFHD on barracks, that is because we have instructed the mods as such. This is not a Smilegate West game, and as a result has no place on our forums.
In conclusion, I generally want to see if anyone has footage or data from before these nerfs are alleged to happen, so that I can take that to the team and definitively say "Hey something is wrong." That way we can actually get this sort of thing checked into. With the amount of things that players often do allege that end up being completely wrong, I'm sure you can understand why I'm asking for evidence to back up the point. Im hoping you guys can assist in this.
Thanks guys!
-Kana -
[QUOTE=[GM]Kanadian;n6930711]Hey guys, a couple of things to note here since this was brought to my attention:
-As far as I keep being told, nerfs have not happened, despite what everyone keeps saying. I have seen no definitive video evidence between now and before (no evidence at all actually) that proves there has been a difference. If someone provides that evidence to me I can pressure a few places more, but without it I am sure you can understand the difficulty of the following conversation:
"Have ZM weapons been nerfed?"
"No."
In conclusion, I generally want to see if anyone has footage or data from before these nerfs are alleged to happen, so that I can take that to the team and definitively say "Hey something is wrong." That way we can actually get this sort of thing checked into. With the amount of things that players often do allege that end up being completely wrong, I'm sure you can understand why I'm asking for evidence to back up the point. Im hoping you guys can assist in this.
Thanks guys!
-Kana[/QUOTE]
Hello Boss.
As for the "I want to see evidence",well I didn't make any record from "before and after" of the m4 laser .but I felt the difference as well as everyone else on this thread and in game.I can personally assure you that at the first days of the m4 in game when I played in venice on waves 20 and 25 I was able to kill the mini bosses on those waves in less than a second with just a very slightly touch on them with the laser..and then like 2 months after it,it took me like 15 seconds to kill them.and I can list at least half of my friend list and half of my clan mates who felt the same about the m4 damage.
If you still insist for "evidence" for that things are getting nerfed in west,then I can post a links to a videos from CF China where people are solo crater down with simply one of the knives of elemental temple or titan citadel or with the ranging bull...while in our version we can't even complete one of the very first oldest maps of zm1 begin waves with those weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40V3xeRvu7U&t=9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF_z8CVa8eY&t=68s
Watch this - A DAMN KNIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMq85YFUHwk
Admit it - you just don't want the players to "farm" every future map that will be added. -
[QUOTE=[GM]Kanadian;n6930711]Hey guys, a couple of things to note here since this was brought to my attention:
-As far as I keep being told, nerfs have not happened, despite what everyone keeps saying. I have seen no definitive video evidence between now and before (no evidence at all actually) that proves there has been a difference. If someone provides that evidence to me I can pressure a few places more, but without it I am sure you can understand the difficulty of the following conversation:
"Have ZM weapons been nerfed?"
"No."
-Moderators are volunteer players. They have no authority over the game staff, and only exist to forward issues to us and keep things clean here on the forums and on discord. They have the following powers: Infractions on forums, moving/deleting threads on forums, infractions and bans on discord.
-Kana[/QUOTE]
"Have ZM weapons been nerfed?"
Yes."
Those are not the same weapons. Now these weapons do less damage, from the Ranked ZM patch.
I do not know what moderators you are talking about, but in Discord and forum only Abel and Bunni have been seen. "Moderators" sounds like a lot. List staff:[ MOD]Andrew, [MOD]Simrock, [MOD]Zzxq, [MOD]AznBankaii, [MOD]Moe, [MOD]Jessy*_*, [MOD]Abel, [MOD]Bunni, [MOD]Naruisa. Who is that last one. I don't even see a profile of her on the forum.
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