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Enough with the STEALTH NERFS on ZM weapons! WE PAID MONEY TO UPGRADE THEM!
DEAR Game Masters,
Why wasn't the M4A1-Laser Gold STEALTH NERF enough a few months ago, where you lowered its damage by a lot on Fatal Canyon (and perhaps other maps)? Why didn't you stop there? With the last patch you STEALTH NERFED AK-47 Buster Gold too, now the 10 grenades barely kill a group of zombies on Crater Dawn!!!
This is the final straw! Starting today, I will be joining the I-GOT-THE-MIDDLEFINGER-TOO-MANY-TIMES-SO-IM-NOT-BUYING-ZP-ANYMORE group until you REVERT these UNANNOUNCED nerfs. This is unacceptable! Some of us (the ones who didn't play with hackers) earned these jewels by hard work and others like me bought them with ZP (REAL MONEY that you received).
My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.
It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and tell us what happened really.
Why wasn't the M4A1-Laser Gold STEALTH NERF enough a few months ago, where you lowered its damage by a lot on Fatal Canyon (and perhaps other maps)? Why didn't you stop there? With the last patch you STEALTH NERFED AK-47 Buster Gold too, now the 10 grenades barely kill a group of zombies on Crater Dawn!!!
This is the final straw! Starting today, I will be joining the I-GOT-THE-MIDDLEFINGER-TOO-MANY-TIMES-SO-IM-NOT-BUYING-ZP-ANYMORE group until you REVERT these UNANNOUNCED nerfs. This is unacceptable! Some of us (the ones who didn't play with hackers) earned these jewels by hard work and others like me bought them with ZP (REAL MONEY that you received).
My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.
It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and tell us what happened really.
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Andrew1798 wrote: »DEAR Game Masters,
My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.
It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and telling us what happened really.
It would be even nicer to revert all these outrageous changes you have contributed to. Enough is enough! We have played A LOT and PAYD A LOT to upgrade these weapons that are not easy to get (Black Market winning rates) only to find they are worthless now. Can you imagine how much frustration you have generated by doing this?! Does anyone of us complained that these ZM weapons are too powerful?! NO! After you play hundreds of games on various maps, you get lvl 50 in ZM3 you would expect to be a ZM God on those maps if you got the Top of the Line weapons. It was a good feeling, a well deserved reward for us to be in that position...until you tamed the M4A1-Laser Gold and now the AK Buster. AK Buster's Grenades are now pretty much useless in Crater Dawn, not to mention how those grenades are now just a friendly pat on the shoulder for the Behemot in Battleship. Are you really knowing what you're doing?! If someone likes to be beaten all the time, that person could choose to play a Tesla or whatever subpar weapon you have populated this game with. Leave the good weapons to be good weapons as it should! Stop frustrating us with your against-player decisions! Stop transforming ZM game in a Z8 vs ZM Players game! It is clear for me that you do not have played and/or understand this mode not even a bit. And if you have played it, then is no hope for you, but let it unaltered by your reckless decisions for us the other players.
Also, the Gatling Gun- Wildshot is a shame! No one plays Titan Citadel with even the GOLD Gatling Gun Wildshot. Why?! Because it stinks. It doesn't do any damage. That Gun should have made a difference on Citadel, it should have been easily the best of the best for that map. It is hard to get, it is hard to get upgraded to Gold. And all efforts only to find that is USELESS. On ANY ZM Map! How is this possible?! There is only one explanation: a team with a defective vision and lack of respect for us the players decided they know better. Better that common sense?!
In the end, if you are honest opened mind people you must revert the awful changes you have made on M4A1 Laser (Gold) and AK Buster (Gold) and to put Gatling Gun Wildshot where should have been in the first place- an unstoppable ZM destroyer on Citadel map. Show respect for us, Z8 admins! -
It would be even nicer to revert all these outrageous changes you have contributed to. Enough is enough! We have played A LOT and PAYD A LOT to upgrade these weapons that are not easy to get (Black Market winning rates) only to find they are worthless now. Can you imagine how much frustration you have generated by doing this?! Does anyone of us complained that these ZM weapons are too powerful?! NO! After you play hundreds of games on various maps, you get lvl 50 in ZM3 you would expect to be a ZM God on those maps if you got the Top of the Line weapons. It was a good feeling, a well deserved reward for us to be in that position...until you tamed the M4A1-Laser Gold and now the AK Buster. AK Buster's Grenades are now pretty much useless in Crater Dawn, not to mention how those grenades are now just a friendly pat on the shoulder for the Behemot in Battleship. Are you really knowing what you're doing?! If someone likes to be beaten all the time, that person could choose to play a Tesla or whatever subpar weapon you have populated this game with. Leave the good weapons to be good weapons as it should! Stop frustrating us with your against-player decisions! Stop transforming ZM game of Z8 vs ZM Players! It is clear for me that you do not have played and/or understand this mode not even a bit. And if you have played it, then is no hope for you, but let it unaltered by your reckless decisions for us the other players.
Also, the Gatling Gun- Wildshot is a shame! No one plays Titan Citadel with even the GOLD Gatling Gun Wildshot. Why?! Because it stinks. It doesn't do any damage. That Gun should have made a difference on Citadel, it should have been easily the best of the best for that map. It is hard to get, it is hard to get upgraded to Gold. And all efforts only to find that is USELESS. On ANY ZM Map! How is this possible?! There is only one explanation: a team with a defective vision and lack of respect for us the players decided they know better. Better that common sense?!
In the end, if you are honest opened mind people you must revert the awful changes you have made on M4A1 Laser (Gold) and AK Buster (Gold) and to put Gatling Gun Wildshot where should have been in the first place- an unstoppable ZM destroyer on Citadel map. Show respect for us, Z8 admins!
I am with you, revert the nerfs. I didn't upgrade my AK to gold for it to become more and more useless to bosses.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:JackPain (Sweden) -
Painanator wrote: »
I am with you, revert the nerfs. I didn't upgrade my AK to gold for it to become more and more useless to bosses.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Does ak work with bosses in Crater now or as i mentioned -
IGN_Galaxy wrote: »
Does ak work with bosses in Crater now or as i mentioned
I used to be able to solo Crater Dawn but this time I didn't even try to go past Wave 6 because my AK-47 Buster Gold grenades did less damage to zombies than AA-12's special attack, so I didn't try them on boss but I think it's better this way, I would have been even more upset at Z8.
Revert the AK-47 Buster Gold and M4A1 Laser Gold nerfs and buff Gatling Gun Wildshot, Z8 !!! -
Andrew1798 wrote: »
I used to be able to solo Crater Dawn but this time I didn't even try to go past Wave 6 because my AK-47 Buster Gold grenades did less damage to zombies than AA-12's special attack, so I didn't try them on boss but I think it's better this way, I would have been even more upset at Z8.
Revert the AK-47 Buster Gold and M4A1 Laser Gold nerfs and buff Gatling Gun Wildshot, Z8 !!!
I think m4 + GG is zombie custom
As for the AK long ago I was seeing a strong influence in maps such as devasted / dinner / crater about Bosses & arena too -
IGN_Galaxy wrote: »
Does ak work with bosses in Crater now or as i mentioned
For AK Grenades
I have tested these
Crater Dawn - Stage 10 Boss (Works, but lower damage), Stage 15 Mini-bosses and Boss (Works but lower damage) Special-Stage (Works but low damage)
Unearth - (Works but lower damage)
Devastated City - LV30 Boss (No damage), Special Boss (Works, but lower damage)
Dinner Theater - (No Damage)
Elemental Temple - All Bosses (No Damage)
Titan Citadel - All Bosses (No Damage)
Shattered Station - No Bosses (But less damage to regular enemies, 2 grenades to kill one of the exploding fat monsters!!!)
Shipyard - Boss (No Damage) (less damage to regular monsters)
Battleship - All Bosses (No or Little damage). + The lightning rod does little damage to final boss.
Regular fire is still untouched so it still does good damage overall. But with the frequent lag problems, a lot of hit's doesn't give damage at all.
Even if there might be some bug involved, they have clearly lowered the damage of the AK-47 busters grenades, as no bug can change the damage so differently in the maps.
My guess is that they soon are going to begin selling something ZM related, (like jewels maybe?) in the ZP store, that they want people to invest in. So they make the older stuff less valuable, so players will buy whatever they are going to release.JackPain (Sweden) -
Painanator wrote: »
For AK Grenades
I have tested these
Crater Dawn - Stage 10 Boss (Works, but lower damage), Stage 15 Mini-bosses and Boss (Works but lower damage) Special-Stage (Works but low damage)
Unearth - (Works but lower damage)
Devastated City - LV30 Boss (No damage), Special Boss (Works, but lower damage)
Dinner Theater - (No Damage)
Elemental Temple - All Bosses (No Damage)
Titan Citadel - All Bosses (No Damage)
Shattered Station - No Bosses (But less damage to regular enemies, 2 grenades to kill one of the exploding fat monsters!!!)
Shipyard - Boss (No Damage) (less damage to regular monsters)
Battleship - All Bosses (No or Little damage). + The lightning rod does little damage to final boss.
Regular fire is still untouched so it still does good damage overall. But with the frequent lag problems, a lot of hit's doesn't give damage at all.
Even if there might be some bug involved, they have clearly lowered the damage of the AK-47 busters grenades, as no bug can change the damage so differently in the maps.
My guess is that they soon are going to begin selling something ZM related, (like jewels maybe?) in the ZP store, that they want people to invest in. So they make the older stuff less valuable, so players will buy whatever they are going to release.
Thank you for testing the AK on every map!
I was thinking the same about them releasing new ZM weapons and nerfing the old ones - but that's just not the way to do it if they have any respect left for the players! If they wanted to go on that greed route they could have kept releasing new weapons that do better damage (than old ones) ON the map they are released on.
Just like AK ruled on Crater Dawn but was worse on Elemental Temple compared to M4A1 Laser. They should have done the same with Gatling Gun on Titan Citadel, instead it sucks even on the map it was released on!!!!! That's unacceptable!
Now they are even nerfing the old weapons on the maps they were good on?!? -
Painanator wrote: »
For AK Grenades
I have tested these
Crater Dawn - Stage 10 Boss (Works, but lower damage), Stage 15 Mini-bosses and Boss (Works but lower damage) Special-Stage (Works but low damage)
Unearth - (Works but lower damage)
Devastated City - LV30 Boss (No damage), Special Boss (Works, but lower damage)
Dinner Theater - (No Damage)
Elemental Temple - All Bosses (No Damage)
Titan Citadel - All Bosses (No Damage)
Shattered Station - No Bosses (But less damage to regular enemies, 2 grenades to kill one of the exploding fat monsters!!!)
Shipyard - Boss (No Damage) (less damage to regular monsters)
Battleship - All Bosses (No or Little damage). + The lightning rod does little damage to final boss.
Regular fire is still untouched so it still does good damage overall. But with the frequent lag problems, a lot of hit's doesn't give damage at all.
Even if there might be some bug involved, they have clearly lowered the damage of the AK-47 busters grenades, as no bug can change the damage so differently in the maps.
My guess is that they soon are going to begin selling something ZM related, (like jewels maybe?) in the ZP store, that they want people to invest in. So they make the older stuff less valuable, so players will buy whatever they are going to release.
Thanks for this. I did wonder why my nades on the Buster Gold were less effective, didnt realize my weapon had been nerfed. I hope these changes get reversed. -
Andrew1798 wrote: »My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and tell us what happened really.
I have no idea if anything got nerfed, but i pretty much do the same op damage with my m4 laser on fatal canyon.
But I'm with you on them needing to state all of the nerfs and changes so we can know what to expect. -
I have no idea if anything got nerfed, but i pretty much do the same op damage with my m4 laser on fatal canyon.
But I'm with you on them needing to state all of the nerfs and changes so we can know what to expect.
It is still decent on Fatal Canyon but last year before the AA-12 VIP patch it used to be way better, it was 100% stealth nerfed there. -
[USER="26494729"]Painanator[/USER]
You are wrong in the battleship
The team must use the electric spear on the president to get to sleep like what happens in the dawn pit with the bomb and then
use the bombs you will see a stronger effect in boss battleship -
IGN_Galaxy wrote: »[USER="26494729"]Painanator[/USER]
You are wrong in the battleship
The team must use the electric spear on the president to get to sleep like what happens in the dawn pit with the bomb and then
use the bombs you will see a stronger effect in boss battleship
OK
But the Lightning-spear used to take away 10% of boss HP even if it wasn't at sleep-mode. Now it does maybe 2%. So they have done something, probably so people can't grind the map so easily. I also lose a lot more HP when playing the map and I see people die a lot more, than they did before. So I think they have made the enemies tougher overall in ZM2.JackPain (Sweden) -
I Find it funny how they Nerf ZM weapons - meanwhile TMP is still untouched... but wait, lets add some Scorpions for free to counter it.
Before somebody outrages over the "we spend zp for the jewels" Back when the "Trade Market" was a thing, u know, before ppl abused the hell out of the system, u were able to buy jewels.
I've never seen a True nerf to anything in this game (even tho its highly needed in some corners) so why start with zm? cuz its giving away Free things for ppl that invest alot of time in it? -
so u weren't around when they nerfed the m12s and the kriss super v was OP guns back in 2012 or so (they were like tmp and evo nowadays)
ive been around that time, but they never nerfed them lmao, 7days of free bp, and u hardly felt how "op" they were.
Them guns were never "crazy good" they just felt like that back in the day. ever seen anyone calling u a noob for using a scarlight or m14 nowadays?
Weapons only feel OP towards the stuff u compare them 2. when the Barrett came out ppl were on their knees crying, nowadays its one of the most common snipers
Back to Topic. -
Milfie_DOT wrote: »
ever seen anyone calling u a noob for using a scarlight or m14 nowadays?
yeah and most of them are m4 vip usersMilfie_DOT wrote: »
ive been around that time, but they never nerfed them lmao, 7days of free bp, and u hardly felt how "op" they were.
there was a thread talking about the kriss super v nerf it's an old one and alot of people agreed that it got nerfed and the were actually happy about it and asking for m12s nerf back then the bp weren't popular and hardly anyone had them
and regarding the Zm gun nerf I fell like the m4 lazer deal 0 damage against Zm2 bosses -
[USER="15146316"]Doubl3M[/USER] and [USER="11233167"]Milfie_DOT[/USER]
They had to have nerfed both the Kriss and the M12, people using those grinded through TDM like gods. They are still pretty good SMG's but not as devastating as back then. The TMP (which I always have considered a worthless gun outside of HMX), doesn't even come close.JackPain (Sweden) -
it's really a bad news for the game. I am not into ZM but there is a significant portion of players who only play ZM and they may leave the game just like most of the veterans did. This game is becoming more and more toxic. Rooms are filled with scorpion, tmps and kinetics. No one from Moderators and Game Managers is replying on forums these days.
Did someone raise this issue on discord? if no one did it yet then I will do it even though they ban me on discord all the time. -
it's really a bad news for the game. I am not into ZM but there is a significant portion of players who only play ZM and they may leave the game just like most of the veterans did. This game is becoming more and more toxic. Rooms are filled with scorpion, tmps and kinetics. No one from Moderators and Game Managers bother to reply on forum. They are busy with meaningless chats on discord.
Did someone raise this issue on discord? if no one did it yet then I will do it even though they ban me on discord all the time.
I don't know, I know I haven't, as I have never used discord even once. If you're feeling up to it, it would be good and tell us others here at the forum what they say about it.JackPain (Sweden) -
Did someone raise this issue on discord? if no one did it yet then I will do it even though they ban me on discord all the time.
That would be great, thank you very much! I don't enjoy using discord at all as I've noticed the channels which GMs are watching more often are locked behind a stupid rank system, but sadly they don't watch the forums that much.. IMO they should, at least a daily check of new post titles. -
Milfie_DOT wrote: »I Find it funny how they Nerf ZM weapons - meanwhile TMP is still untouched... but wait, lets add some Scorpions for free to counter it.
Before somebody outrages over the "we spend zp for the jewels" Back when the "Trade Market" was a thing, u know, before ppl abused the hell out of the system, u were able to buy jewels.
I've never seen a True nerf to anything in this game (even tho its highly needed in some corners) so why start with zm? cuz its giving away Free things for ppl that invest alot of time in it?
What are you talking about?!
Are you happy with this development? Trying to find reasonable explanations where there is hardly any makes your point of view rather singular than useful. -
What are you talking about?!
Are you happy with this development? Trying to find reasonable explanations where there is hardly any makes your point of view rather singular than useful.
Bruh u drunk ?
Let me Rephrase
1: Rather than nerfing stuff like ZM weapons, they should start where its needed (Tmp+etc)
2: ALOT of ppl bought jewels for a good amount of zp (2Jewels for 15k zp+ - i Think)
3: WHY NERF ZM GUNS=? Cuz zm rewards are for free?
^Like, read dude, im not happy -
Milfie_DOT wrote: »
Bruh u drunk ?
Let me Rephrase
1: Rather than nerfing stuff like ZM weapons, they should start where its needed (Tmp+etc)
2: ALOT of ppl bought jewels for a good amount of zp (2Jewels for 15k zp+ - i Think)
3: WHY NERF ZM GUNS=? Cuz zm rewards are for free?
^Like, read dude, im not happy
I must have missed out when was jewel purchasable with ZP and what was the price? -
I must have missed out when was jewel purchasable with ZP and what was the price?
It depended on the seller. I never paid more than 1200ZP for a 2-pack, preferably 1000ZP (The lowest they could sell for), but some idiots probably paid 10-15 K for a 2 pack, just because they couldn't wait 2-3 weeks until the price was down to 1-2 K.
So people:
Never buy anything when it is released anywhere (If you don't get a bonus or something). A friend of mine paid around 1000 Euros for a DVD player, back when they where a pretty new thing (It played nothing but regular DVDs and CD's not even a mp3 or Jpg). He worked 3 summer-jobs for it, barely sleeping for weeks, I remember him being so proud when he got his DVD-player. About half a year later Playstation 2 was released for a third of that price.JackPain (Sweden) -
Andrew1798 wrote: »DEAR Game Masters,
Why wasn't the M4A1-Laser Gold STEALTH NERF enough a few months ago, where you lowered its damage by a lot on Fatal Canyon (and perhaps other maps)? Why didn't you stop there? With the last patch you STEALTH NERFED AK-47 Buster Gold too, now the 10 grenades barely kill a group of zombies on Crater Dawn!!!
This is the final straw! Starting today, I will be joining the I-GOT-THE-MIDDLEFINGER-TOO-MANY-TIMES-SO-IM-NOT-BUYING-ZP-ANYMORE group until you REVERT these UNANNOUNCED nerfs. This is unacceptable! Some of us (the ones who didn't play with hackers) earned these jewels by hard work and others like me bought them with ZP (REAL MONEY that you received).
My guess is that you have no idea what the patches you buy from China contain, or at least that's what I like to think instead of calling you shameless for nerfing weapons without announcing.
It would be very nice if you could clear up this situation by replying to this post and tell us what happened really.
You spend money and wonder about progress?
For instance, if you had bought a Nokia phone 14 years, you could have been crying about release of iphone!
So stop crying pls, that you possibly wasted your money - it was your decision to buy. Accept it or go play another game! -
You spend money and wonder about progress?
For instance, if you had bought a Nokia phone 14 years, you could have been crying about release of iphone!
So stop crying pls, that you possibly wasted your money - it was your decision to buy. Accept it or go play another game!
Well your analogy does not work. It is more like buying a car or winning a car,only for someone to come and remove the engine a year later. That is just not right or fair. This nerfed weapon business is not a good situation and something needs to be done about it. -
You spend money and wonder about progress?
For instance, if you had bought a Nokia phone 14 years, you could have been crying about release of iphone!
So stop crying pls, that you possibly wasted your money - it was your decision to buy. Accept it or go play another game!
dude stop simping for good samaritan ribbon lul
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