HAVE SHAKY/WOBBLY MOUSE MOVEMENTS? Slant has a fix for you!

Look no further! You have just bought a brand spanking new 120$ 10k dpi gaming mouse to frag down all your clan in cf but, lo and behold, when you plug it in and start playing, the aim is all wobbly and shaky and you cannot shoot to save your life?

Well, slant has a solution for you!


To fix this problem: simply set your usb port polling rate lower! Some of the newer gaming mice have the polling rate set at 1000hz or 500hz default. For some reason (which to my understanding mostly relates to crossfire being a wonky game), the high polling rates will make your aim shake! The lower you set your rate at, the least jittering you will experience!

Now before you go crazy and set your rate at 32hz, you must know two things about lowering your polling rate:

1. The lower the polling rate, the higher the response time! Here are the exact stats I stole from gotfrag:
125hz = 8ms (default)
250hz = 4ms
500hz = 2ms
1000hz = 1ms
and so on.

2. On some mice, notably older ones which have low malfunction speed (wmo, ime 1.1a, ime 3.0, mx300, mx500, etc), the lowering of the polling rate will also lower your "perfect control" speed. For example, on the ime 3.0 and 1.1a clocked at 125hz, the mouse will lose perfect control at around 1 m/s, a speed which you will often hit if you game at low sensitivity. When you clock it at 1000hz, however, the "perfect control" speed zone will upgrade to 1.6 m/s, which is rather acceptable to low sensitivity gamers.

The trick with these mice is finding the balance between jittering and responsiveness/malfunction speed
A wise man told me 250hz is a happy compromise, and that is the polling rate i recommend for most mice, as it offers very slight jittering and still delivers good responsiveness at a higher malfunction speed.

Make note that most newer gaming-grade mice have very high malfunction speed, even at low polling rates, so you may not even have to worry about that!

Some newer mice also have polling rate changing options in their driver, so that makes it easy to modify and play around with. For the rest of you mortals, I will link to the programs I used to change my polling rate and verify it (Disclaimer: playing with your polling rate may lower the life expectancy of your hardware or fry your mouse or usb port, so I will not be held responsible for what you kids do to your computers!):

Hidusbf, used to modify your polling rate can be downloaded here.

Mouse rate checker, used to verify what polling rate your port is effectively functioning at, can be found here.

On a final note, I do believe this is known by some people, but it seems to me like most of the community is in the dark concerning this, as I was until very recently. It helped my aiming (especially long range) immensely and I do believe many would benefit from this.
I would also like to point out that crossfire possesses some VERY odd acceleration issues, which I think should be brought to the attention of the community so that we may unite to force the developers to fix the aggravatingly high positive and negative acceleration present in the game coding.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask away in here, and I will answer to the best of my (rather limited) faculties.

EDIT 6 years later: After having looked thoroughly, it seems there is no way to overclock your mouse polling rate using hidusb.exe or other third-party programs in windows 8+. You NEED to use your mouse drivers if you are using windows 8+.
EDIT 7 years later: It seems there is a new version of hidusbf available that will work with windows 8+. I have tested it with windows 8.1 and it IS working. I won't link the download but know that it IS out there. Good luck and good fragging!
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Comments

  • S0uL1S0uL1 Squire
    KillGod wrote: »

    Haha....msg2short sup killgod
  • 0xBoF0xBoF Marquis
    Haha....msg2short sup killgod
    lol, people need to use search button before they make somethin like that..
  • sLaNtsLaNt Apprentice
    KillGod wrote: »
    lol, people need to use search button before they make somethin like that..

    You're linking to a thread which has NO solution, only a confirmation of the problem. How is this old news? Find me one thread that is dedicated to this. Go.

    You're showing yourself to be an incontinent little ignoramus here. Stop trying to be witty.

    EDIT: After reading my post, I realized I did not express how much disgust you breed within me. You are what is wrong in this community. Your post suggests that you haven't read either my post or that in the thread you linked to, and STILL thought yourself fit enough to ridicule my post, which shows that you have NO rational mind.
  • Bruce1nRBruce1nR Royal Heir
    Request sticky.


    Rob's thread is about flashing firmware.


    This one is about lowering polling rate which is totally different.


    Ignore killgod, he hangs out with LadyShy. Nuff said.
  • MrSixxxMrSixxx Holy Knight
    Great job Slant.

    This is an example of what is good in a community.
  • ax0ax0 Knight-Errant
    Good job Slant, thanks for these tips, gonna be helpfull with my new mouse (gettin it tonight)

    :)

    pz
  • HAHA, he called that guy an ignoramus. In the context of this thread, it fits nicely. People shouldn't bash on others post that they took the time to write, especially if they haven't even read it...
  • doop51doop51 Royal Heir
    thought this was common knowledge about the cf engine...
  • DextremeDextreme Holy Knight
    Thanks slant. I found this info useful as I had this problem with a different FPS game. Just adjusting the mouse sensitivity wasn't working.
  • Stickied. Excellent work.
  • in windows xp atleast not sure about other windows , u can go to mouse settings in control panel
    hit the "pointer options" tab at the top then make sure you have
    " enhance pointer precision" turned on... this helps alot if u dont have it on and wont need to do firmware or polling..... this worked for me about 2 weeks ago
  • sLaNtsLaNt Apprentice
    doop51 wrote: »
    thought this was common knowledge about the cf engine...
    A lot of people don't know about this!
    in windows xp atleast not sure about other windows , u can go to mouse settings in control panel
    hit the "pointer options" tab at the top then make sure you have
    " enhance pointer precision" turned on... this helps alot if u dont have it on and wont need to do firmware or polling..... this worked for me about 2 weeks ago

    Maybe it does helps with jittery aim but it mostly "turns on" acceleration, which can be a bad thing for most people.
  • Good guide, but i prefer 125 hz with my wmo.
  • sLaNt wrote: »
    A lot of people don't know about this!


    Maybe it does helps with jittery aim but it mostly "turns on" acceleration, which can be a bad thing for most people.

    was just kinda saying try that option first if it helps aint gotta worrie with the hassle of doin yours
  • DDoTtDDoTt Count
    Great Guide, Very helpful :cool:
  • sLaNt wrote: »
    Look no further! You have just bought a brand spanking new 120$ 10k dpi gaming mouse to frag down all your clan in cf but, lo and behold, when you plug it in and start playing, the aim is all wobbly and shaky and you cannot shoot to save your life?

    Well, slant has a solution for you: for 4 easy payments of 4.99, the fix is yours!













    nah j/k. To fix this problem: simply set your usb port polling rate lower! Some of the newer gaming mice have the polling rate set a 1000hz or 500hz default. For some reason (which to my understanding mostly relate to crossfire being a sh*tty game), the high polling rates will make your aim shake! The lower you set your rate at, the least jittering you will experience!

    Now before you go crazy and set your rate at 32hz, you must know two things about lowering your polling rate:

    1. The lower the polling rate, the higher the response time! Here are the exact stats I stole from gotfrag:
    125hz = 8ms (default)
    250hz = 4ms
    500hz = 2ms
    1000hz = 1ms
    and so on.

    2. On some mice, notably older ones which have low malfunction speed (wmo, ime 1.1a, ime 3.0, mx300, mx500, etc), the lowering of the polling rate will also lower your "perfect control" speed. For example, on the ime 3.0 and 1.1a clocked at 125hz, the mouse will lose perfect control at around 1 m/s, a speed which you will often hit if you game at low sensitivity. When you clock it at 1000hz, however, the "perfect control" speed zone will upgrade to 1.6 m/s, which is rather acceptable to low sensitivity gamers.

    The trick with these mice is finding the balance between jittering and responsiveness/malfunction speed
    A wise man told me 250hz is a happy compromise, and that is the polling rate i recommend for most mice, as it offers very slight jittering and still delivers good responsiveness at a higher malfunction speed.

    Make note that most newer gaming-grade mice have very high malfunction speed, even at low polling rates, so you may not even have to worry about that!

    Some newer mice also have polling rate changing options in their driver, so that makes it easy to modify and play around with. For the rest of you mortals, I will link to the programs I used to change my polling rate and verify it (Disclaimer: playing with your polling rate may lower the life expectancy of your hardware or fry your mouse or usb port, so I will not be held responsible for what you kids do to your computers!):

    Hidusbf, used to modify your polling rate can be downloaded here.

    Mouse rate checker, used to verify what polling rate your port is effectively functioning at, can be found here.

    On a final note, I do believe this is known by some people, but it seems to me like most of the community is in the dark concerning this, as I was until very recently. It helped my aiming (especially long range) immensely and I do believe many would benefit from this.
    I would also like to point out that crossfire possesses some VERY odd acceleration issues, which I think should be brought to the attention of the community so that we may unite to force the developers to fix the aggravatingly high positive and negative acceleration present in the game coding.

    If you have any questions, feel free to ask away in here, and I will answer to the best of my (rather limited) faculties.



    Sup slant. Congrats on Sticky
  • JazziiJazzii Apprentice
    Although I do not have any problems with my mouse (I changed back to my really simple one and it's great), my friend is having major jittering issues. Funnily enough, I will probably forget about this cos I won't see him for a week (even though he's my neighbour D=)
  • SombodeeeeeeSombodeeeeee Holy Knight
    doop51 wrote: »
    thought this was common knowledge about the cf engine...

    same... I just thought he had some cheap version of windows =x oh well...
  • sLaNtsLaNt Apprentice
    Cypherrrr wrote: »
    same... I just thought he had some cheap version of windows =x oh well...

    Damn you cypher, is it not enough that I said you were a wise man? You gotta still make fun of me :P
  • SombodeeeeeeSombodeeeeee Holy Knight
    Fair enough, regardless its preference.

    Some players will have adapted to the "jittery" mouse, just like some players use mouse accel. simply because they are so used to it they would have to "relearn" if they were to turn it off.
  • thanks bro. :)
  • After fooling with this a bit I have confirmed this works/helps. It also explains why it only happens with higher end mice. This would be some good info to pass onto the devs as CF is the only gave I've seen do this.

    What puzzles me is that in other CF versions Razer is a sponsor. I would think this issue would be addressed.
  • cheap mouse ftw. the real problem is the player not the mouse.
  • Fixed and solved, thank you so much!

    I can now use my roccat Kone on crossfire ^_^
  • SombodeeeeeeSombodeeeeee Holy Knight

    What puzzles me is that in other CF versions Razer is a sponsor. I would think this issue would be addressed.

    One of the many reasons, I refuse to believe we have the same Cross Fire they have over seas.
  • Thank You for this useful thread! :)
  • h

    Well i changed mine stil jitterry 250 hz 500hz 100 etc all of them none of them works for me 31 does help allot but it still goes jittery while im shooting
  • jhf

    tried all of that my mouse still wobbly HELP
  • xepaaxepaa Beginner
    appreciate it
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