Ping VS. Ping
A very useful tip to consider in Crossfire is the inbalance between Ping, which in some cases can help you, and in others be your worst enemy, Say your in a 1v1 match, you have around 50-60 ping, where as the other guy is going to have around 150-200ping,
very useful tip on lets say "Search and Destroy" is if ur the guy with the lower ping u can actually hide behind something, and when u hear footsteps and JUMP OUT! you have that split second the "Lagger" cant see you when u jump out from your hiding spot. Seems a little confusing? well lets say your in the open and an enemy sees you and u try and hide, well our already dead before u can hide, but on your screen u were already hidden. basically what im trying to say is its a very easy way of catching wallers and also helping you aswell. its really common sense everyone shud now it, but im assuming alot of people when they look at other ppl's ping and see someome with a higher number than yours, u just go to yourself "owel hes just lagging whatever" but i guess im just tryng to give u the sense of mind that it can really benefit you in-game and give you the awareness to it.
very useful tip on lets say "Search and Destroy" is if ur the guy with the lower ping u can actually hide behind something, and when u hear footsteps and JUMP OUT! you have that split second the "Lagger" cant see you when u jump out from your hiding spot. Seems a little confusing? well lets say your in the open and an enemy sees you and u try and hide, well our already dead before u can hide, but on your screen u were already hidden. basically what im trying to say is its a very easy way of catching wallers and also helping you aswell. its really common sense everyone shud now it, but im assuming alot of people when they look at other ppl's ping and see someome with a higher number than yours, u just go to yourself "owel hes just lagging whatever" but i guess im just tryng to give u the sense of mind that it can really benefit you in-game and give you the awareness to it.
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Its not only ping but the coding of the game.
You don't have to be low ping, high ping or even same ping for it to give you both advantages/disadvantages.
Eg. Me and Bunz both 12-14 ping. I pop out and can shoot him before he even sees me on his screen. He can do the same thing to me.
I run behind a wall, he has the power of 'wanted' to curve bullets and shoot me even though i'm behind the wall on my screen. Ditto for him.
Its gay. -
Are you trying to provoke the high pingers?
I hope you are not, especially, there are some high pingers that can pwn your [***] before even you see them.
lol no disrespect to the good players,but to kill us b4 we can see em while lagging could mean teleport?-_- iv seen it happen,infact i saw some1 teleport with just a 150 ping -
You clearly know what your talking about, I shall not question your logic.saintNooby wrote: »0-100 Ping = Advantage
100-150 Disadvantage
150-200 Advantage
200+ Disadvantage (with some + )
Nuff said.
Dont Argue these are the facts.
Didnt read the thread btw, I just like raging about ping -
You clearly know what your talking about, I shall not question your logic.
I was hoping someone else would bring that up.
Would look kind of bad if I was the only one to rely heavily on this amazing player's logic.
Edit: LOL! YOUR A GHOST MODE PLAYER AND YOU THINK HIGH PINGERS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE? FOR REAL?
I hardly even touch that mode and I know that high pingers as ghosts are extremely hard to spot and kill. My god, the players on these forums are just the best. -
Are you trying to provoke the high pingers?
I hope you are not, especially, there are some high pingers that can pwn your [***] before even you see them.
ok tuff guy who completely misreads my thread, ill 1v1 anyone you put on the map.... ur not really understanding what im saying...shouldnt have to explain myself a thousand times.... read this post, if u dont like it go play runescape cuz thats just how this games goes.... dont matter whos better than who... im just explaining the advantages and disadvantages of ping.... idiot... -
I was hoping someone else would bring that up.
Would look kind of bad if I was the only one to rely heavily on this amazing player's logic.
Edit: LOL! YOUR A GHOST MODE PLAYER AND YOU THINK HIGH PINGERS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE? FOR REAL?
I hardly even touch that mode and I know that high pingers as ghosts are extremely hard to spot and kill. My god, the players on these forums are just the best.
Amazing player? stfu baddie, Just because i dont 'Pug' or scrim 'top clans' doesn't mean i'm bad. I dont pug and **** because of players like you talking trash all the time.
Erm yea. Well if a High ping ghost [120 ping] Hits a low pinger <100 80% of the time it wont register, They'll somehow move and then hs you in 1 shot. Tanking is worse than 'slightly' teleporting.. Even though me with 120 ping, Do not. You clearly know nothing, 100-150 Ping is disadvantage. End of. ........
I used to play with low ping [20], Was 10x easier than with UK's 120 ping. -
saintNooby wrote: »Amazing player? stfu baddie, Just because i dont 'Pug' or scrim 'top clans' doesn't mean i'm bad. I dont pug and **** because of players like you talking trash all the time.
Erm yea. Well if a High ping ghost [120 ping] Hits a low pinger <100 80% of the time it wont register, They'll somehow move and then hs you in 1 shot. Tanking is worse than 'slightly' teleporting.. Even though me with 120 ping, Do not. You clearly know nothing, 100-150 Ping is disadvantage. End of. ........
I used to play with low ping [20], Was 10x easier than with UK's 120 ping.
nicely put nooby
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saintNooby wrote: »0-100 Ping = Advantage
100-150 Disadvantage
150-200 Advantage
200+ Disadvantage (with some + )
Nuff said.
Dont Argue these are the facts.
Didnt read the thread btw, I just like raging about ping
Ok I'll argue...because these are not even close to facts!
Show me the proof!
I have 155 ping and You say I have advantage...Your smoking something.
1 ping is god. Anything above it is slower communication speed with the server....How is a slower communication to the server an advantage for the player with that slow communication?
Fast Communication.......Advantage
Medium Communication...Disadvantage
Slow Communication.......Advantage? (WTF) Dude really?
Slowest Communication...Disadvantage (What pluses?)
The server is the focus...How fast do you see what it sees.
The server makes the decision as it sees it. Thats why you can be half way down a hall way and die...The server never saw you like that. Only you did.
In a sense your actually playing the server. All information streams into the server. Regardless of what a players ping is its the server that matters. The faster you can see what the server sees the better your advantage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(video_gaming)
Psypher -
thats why every1 with a low ping can be decent were easilyTheGHENERAL wrote: »A very useful tip to consider in Crossfire is the inbalance between Ping, which in some cases can help you, and in others be your worst enemy, Say your in a 1v1 match, you have around 50-60 ping, where as the other guy is going to have around 150-200ping,
very useful tip on lets say "Search and Destroy" is if ur the guy with the lower ping u can actually hide behind something, and when u hear footsteps and JUMP OUT! you have that split second the "Lagger" cant see you when u jump out from your hiding spot. Seems a little confusing? well lets say your in the open and an enemy sees you and u try and hide, well our already dead before u can hide, but on your screen u were already hidden. basically what im trying to say is its a very easy way of catching wallers and also helping you aswell. its really common sense everyone shud now it, but im assuming alot of people when they look at other ppl's ping and see someome with a higher number than yours, u just go to yourself "owel hes just lagging whatever" but i guess im just tryng to give u the sense of mind that it can really benefit you in-game and give you the awareness to it. -
Ok I'll argue...because these are not even close to facts!
Show me the proof!
I have 155 ping and You say I have advantage...Your smoking something.
1 ping is god. Anything above it is slower communication speed with the server....How is a slower communication to the server an advantage for the player with that slow communication?
Fast Communication.......Advantage
Medium Communication...Disadvantage
Slow Communication.......Advantage? (WTF) Dude really?
Slowest Communication...Disadvantage (What pluses?)
The server is the focus...How fast do you see what it sees.
The server makes the decision as it sees it. Thats why you can be half way down a hall way and die...The server never saw you like that. Only you did.
In a sense your actually playing the server. All information streams into the server. Regardless of what a players ping is its the server that matters. The faster you can see what the server sees the better your advantage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(video_gaming)
Psypher
Those figures are realistic.
150+ Ping is where you get the 'laggers', People who teleport. etc..
Even for me with a 120 ping, I can see you guys lagging/tanking.
I remember when the servers were all crashing, so i played in West Coast server, Had average ping of about 180, I was a hell of a lot better than with my normal ping. Even though low pingers tank'd more.
200+ Ping do have advantages. A high pinger see's you before the you see them. For example when a high pinger jumps from behind a wall, He can see you , But you cant see him because his movement hasn't registered yet. Therefore he has that advantage. It's why many high pingers are falsely accused of wallhacks. -
Lets play games!
More or less what you are saying is the following:
0-100 ping gives players an advantage
100-150 ping gives players a disadvantage
150-200 ping gives players an advantage
200+ ping gives players a disadvantage with some benefits
First of all, in this game any player can teleport. Due to poor coding and rather poor character models its possible with any ping.
Example, WoTip was pushing into B Box, I was camping the corner and peaked in and killed him. On my screen I walked around the corner on WoTips and also others I ran through the wall and shot.
Also, as Kalhann already mentioned its easy to shoot someone without them even seeing you. The amount of times I have prefired peaked a corner and killed someone without allowing them the chance to see me is rather silly.
The biggest disadvantage high pingers have to low pingers is the rate at which recoil settles. In general single tapping with the AK 47 is slightly more difficult for players with high ping.
While it is true that players with high ping do tend to teleport or "lag strafe" the same can be true for players with low ping as well.
Also players with low ping will register shots in a similar manner to that of a player with high ping, that being said I do believe in most cases it will take a player with high ping 1 or 2 more shots. Although I have not had to chance to tinker with the idea of hit box registry in great length. Furthermore for reasons I do not understand certain guns seem to register more then others.
Note: Register as in you shoot someone you see blood and they take damage, rather then you shoot someone you see blood and it does no damage. -
TheGHENERAL wrote: »A very useful tip to consider in Crossfire is the inbalance between Ping, which in some cases can help you, and in others be your worst enemy, Say your in a 1v1 match, you have around 50-60 ping, where as the other guy is going to have around 150-200ping,
very useful tip on lets say "Search and Destroy" is if ur the guy with the lower ping u can actually hide behind something, and when u hear footsteps and JUMP OUT! you have that split second the "Lagger" cant see you when u jump out from your hiding spot. Seems a little confusing? well lets say your in the open and an enemy sees you and u try and hide, well our already dead before u can hide, but on your screen u were already hidden. basically what im trying to say is its a very easy way of catching wallers and also helping you aswell. its really common sense everyone shud now it, but im assuming alot of people when they look at other ppl's ping and see someome with a higher number than yours, u just go to yourself "owel hes just lagging whatever" but i guess im just tryng to give u the sense of mind that it can really benefit you in-game and give you the awareness to it.
Edited:if you have a problem with the fact that "high"-pingers existing,write a letter or e-mail to z8 they should put up the european server faster then now. -
saintNooby wrote: »0-100 Ping = Advantage
100-150 Disadvantage
150-200 Advantage
200+ Disadvantage (with some + )
Nuff said.
Dont Argue these are the facts.
Didnt read the thread btw, I just like raging about ping
Agree, it's especially important when you play snipers or knifes only. The reach of someone with below 100 ping is noticably higher to someone with 106-150 ping (me).
Also in sniper only, I always jump, scope in and shoot, but if I get killed by people with low ping I usually see them in mid air when they get the kill on me. -
saintNooby wrote: »0-100 Ping = Advantage
100-150 Disadvantage
150-200 Advantage
200+ Disadvantage (with some + )
Nuff said.
Dont Argue these are the facts.
Didnt read the thread btw, I just like raging about ping
"I don't play SND vs low pingers"----SaintNooby
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I have a stable ping of 190, play most of the time with AK or M4. I have read on the forum that u need 3 shots with AK to the chest to kill (with a low ping), I need 5-7 shots to kill s1. In every game someone complain if I kill them, couse of my ping and me lagging, calling me tanker. I see no advantage in a ping of 150-200, u CAN't play knife only, couse everybody, who has a lower ping will kill from a distance u could never reach them. If a lowpinger is moving the chance is really high I will hit them on my screen with 10-20 bullets in his back, he will turn around and kill me, without I took him some HP.
If u have a ping under 70-90 its all ok, ALL people above it have more or less a disadvantage. -
Edited:if you have a problem with the fact that "high"-pingers existing,write a letter or e-mail to z8 they should put up the european server faster then now.
when did i ever say i had a problem with high pingers? are you dumb or just dont understand ? theres really no arguing to this thread at all.... -
TheGHENERAL wrote: »you dont understand that even in S/D with high ping your at an advantage.... did u even read the thread or did u just stop like halfway and give up ....lol
Where is the advantage of a high pinger at a SD match? Is it couse he "teleporst", or die 5 meter behind a wall, or didn't even see who shoot him with AWM, or maybe couse he need to hit 2-3 times more than needed ? Explain it to me pls, couse I have played for over 6 month with my ping (~190) and there was not even a single moment I was in an advantage vs. a low pinger. -
RussianRtl wrote: »Where is the advantage of a high pinger at a SD match? Is it couse he "teleporst", or die 5 meter behind a wall, or didn't even see who shoot him with AWM, or maybe couse he need to hit 2-3 times more than needed ? Explain it to me pls, couse I have played for over 6 month with my ping (~190) and there was not even a single moment I was in an advantage vs. a low pinger.
another one not reading the thread...... say were playing "Downtown map" i can jump out and peak with an AWM in CF mart window, see your guy and shoot... if i miss i jump out of the way, when im hidden im usually dead moments later with the guy that shot me that i was aiming for... theres a plus for high ping? -
Lets play games!
More or less what you are saying is the following:
0-100 ping gives players an advantage
100-150 ping gives players a disadvantage
150-200 ping gives players an advantage
200+ ping gives players a disadvantage with some benefits
First of all, in this game any player can teleport. Due to poor coding and rather poor character models its possible with any ping.
Example, WoTip was pushing into B Box, I was camping the corner and peaked in and killed him. On my screen I walked around the corner on WoTips and also others I ran through the wall and shot.
Also, as Kalhann already mentioned its easy to shoot someone without them even seeing you. The amount of times I have prefired peaked a corner and killed someone without allowing them the chance to see me is rather silly.
The biggest disadvantage high pingers have to low pingers is the rate at which recoil settles. In general single tapping with the AK 47 is slightly more difficult for players with high ping.
While it is true that players with high ping do tend to teleport or "lag strafe" the same can be true for players with low ping as well.
Also players with low ping will register shots in a similar manner to that of a player with high ping, that being said I do believe in most cases it will take a player with high ping 1 or 2 more shots. Although I have not had to chance to tinker with the idea of hit box registry in great length. Furthermore for reasons I do not understand certain guns seem to register more then others.
Note: Register as in you shoot someone you see blood and they take damage, rather then you shoot someone you see blood and it does no damage.
2 Main reasons why High Ping (100-150) is a disadvantage. 1 is the tanking of low pingers. especially in GM. If the player you are shooting, Moves before your shot registers on them, Then it's a no reg, But you see blood on your screen. In another situation, If 2 Players, 1 with 10 ping, other with 130 ping have a shoot off. The low pinger will always win, because they're shots register alot quicker than the high pingers, so effectively it takes twice as much ammo to kill a low pinger than viceversa . The only people who ever tank are people with <100 ping or 180+. I can spray a round of ak/m4 into low pingers, they just shake it off and shovel me for example. I look on the damage sheet... 39 dmg. For about 15-20 hits. If you do not believe me , im willing to record some games to see how high ping effects us.
Lagging? I play with saintMalice, He has 8-12 ping, He has never seen me 'Teleport'.
I've seen you pros make Youtube videos and montages, and im amazed at the registry, I assure you if i had your ping i'd be a lot better known. I can aim, I have experience. Just next time you play with all the top players, take a look at their pings, Bet they're aren't many high pingers amongst you. And stop talking like you know what it's like.
I have played with both 20 ping, whilst i was in canada, 120 while im at home[england] , 180 in West Coast, and even 240+ on CFCN I know which 1 is easiest.
I think i've gone through everything, lol I know it's kinda tl;dr but meh. I can break it up into sentences if it's too complicated for you.
+ Low pingers will never admit to having advantage. But i'll keep QQing and trying until the EU server comes up. kthx
Nice to see you remembered my Quote, Im glad you find it so amusing -
TheGHENERAL wrote: »another one not reading the thread...... say were playing "Downtown map" i can jump out and peak with an AWM in CF mart window, see your guy and shoot... if i miss i jump out of the way, when im hidden im usually dead moments later with the guy that shot me that i was aiming for... theres a plus for high ping?
You are in an advantage: you see me first, you can shoot at me first and kill me without taking any damage even if I hit you or HS you. BUT if u miss me, but I HS u, you are expecting not to die? wtf r u talking about kid?
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