CFS Finals?
So just out of curiosity, why is a relatively unknown company (ESG), since they only have one game they do tournaments for, running CFS finals? While we have the ESL league who just finished hosting one of the biggest CSGO lans ever? To me at least, it makes no sense that a league that only has 1 game under their belt run a finals tournament, in comparison to ESL who has multiple games. At least to me, the better logic would to go to ESL over ESG.. Does this make sense to anyone else? Or am I just crazy.
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have you noticed how horrid the esl anticheat is in regards to crossfire? tons of bugs and people not being able to run the anticheat properly, not to mention the lack of admins for support. but esg is bad as well, running a broken league and tossing out "if you don't like it don't play" everytime someone tries to suggest better ideas.
tl;dr: ace gaming is going to win because favoritism from both leagues. -
PZEDDDDDDDDD wrote: »So just out of curiosity, why is a relatively unknown company (ESG), since they only have one game they do tournaments for, running CFS finals? While we have the ESL league who just finished hosting one of the biggest CSGO lans ever? To me at least, it makes no sense that a league that only has 1 game under their belt run a finals tournament, in comparison to ESL who has multiple games. At least to me, the better logic would to go to ESL over ESG.. Does this make sense to anyone else? Or am I just crazy.
How does csgo LAN = CFS online qualifiers? -
He's saying ESL is more reliable, and it's true.
wtf ESL is no where near as reliable as ESG. I have never had an issue with the administration or the ESG client. I can't say the same for ESL. Why would we use ESL, one admin to run a huge event line CFS Finals.
Sure... -
Maybe ESL Europe, but NESL is a child company of ESL Europe.
And if Ace gaming wins, it is because they are the best this version has to offer. Just because you can't beat them doesn't mean you get to trash them. Honestly in my opinion I think Carbon is the best team NA has, but they are not allowed to play. So the runner up gets a chance to play, and that's Ace gaming.
If people spent more time trying to play the game and practice to get better, instead of making forum threads, they might get a free trip to China.
But let Ace do the practicing, that way when they win you can all cry how we were somehow biased towards them. -
There is no international ban, only your esg banMaybe ESL Europe, but NESL is a child company of ESL Europe.
And if Ace gaming wins, it is because they are the best this version has to offer. Just because you can't beat them doesn't mean you get to trash them. Honestly in my opinion I think Carbon is the best team NA has, but they are not allowed to play. So the runner up gets a chance to play, and that's Ace gaming.
If people spent more time trying to play the game and practice to get better, instead of making forum threads, they might get a free trip to China.
But let Ace do the practicing, that way when they win you can all cry how we were somehow biased towards them. -
Speak_Truth wrote: »wtf ESL is no where near as reliable as ESG. I have never had an issue with the administration or the ESG client. I can't say the same for ESL. Why would we use ESL, one admin to run a huge event line CFS Finals.
Sure...
Because ESL has trustworthy admins, who's to say a third ESG admin won't try to ghost this cfs? -
Maybe ESL Europe, but NESL is a child company of ESL Europe.
And if Ace gaming wins, it is because they are the best this version has to offer. Just because you can't beat them doesn't mean you get to trash them. Honestly in my opinion I think Carbon is the best team NA has, but they are not allowed to play. So the runner up gets a chance to play, and that's Ace gaming.
If people spent more time trying to play the game and practice to get better, instead of making forum threads, they might get a free trip to China.
But let Ace do the practicing, that way when they win you can all cry how we were somehow biased towards them.
You have no insight on skill in this game between teams, keep your ****ing mouth shut and patrol the esg client for cheaters.
EDIT: Yes i'll take an ESG ban with that for disrespecting an admin. You can suck my **** for all I care.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Seriously? .....
Yes, seriously. 90% of the community thinks that Iceman ghosted, yet you guys make a rule stating you cannot deny an admin to spectate a game. The footage that was given from sketch was highly convincing that he ghosted for them, but you're going to risk it anyways and say **** it.
Yeah I understand that he has not been 100% busted yet, but hey lets just forget about it, act like it's not a possibility, and act like there's no risk at all! -
He hasn't been in any game spectating since the issue. So clearly there's no ground for acting as if it's a problem. I told him to stay out of spectating games for that very reason because people would be suspicious still even though it wasn't proven.
Using Iceman as an excuse for not trusting ESG is stupid because I've removed the supposed problem from the situation. I'm the only one who manages games or has access to manage the games/scores, so your "risk" isn't present. So what's the problem now? -
mateuszsweg wrote: »You have no insight on skill in this game between teams, keep your ****ing mouth shut and patrol the esg client for cheaters.
EDIT: Yes i'll take an ESG ban with that for disrespecting an admin. You can suck my **** for all I care.
Yes, seriously. 90% of the community thinks that Iceman ghosted, yet you guys make a rule stating you cannot deny an admin to spectate a game. The footage that was given from sketch was highly convincing that he ghosted for them, but you're going to risk it anyways and say **** it.
Yeah I understand that he has not been 100% busted yet, but hey lets just forget about it, act like it's not a possibility, and act like there's no risk at all!
Dam bro, chill -
lets not forget when the blacked out chat logs were released, instantly sketch, who was never on lifeline, was instantly alienated for being a snitch. this leads to the probability that there was more recent ghosting ie ACE Gaming ghosting and not lifeline.mateuszsweg wrote: »You have no insight on skill in this game between teams, keep your ****ing mouth shut and patrol the esg client for cheaters.
Yes, seriously. 90% of the community thinks that Iceman ghosted, yet you guys make a rule stating you cannot deny an admin to spectate a game. The footage that was given from sketch was highly convincing that he ghosted for them, but you're going to risk it anyways and say **** it.
Yeah I understand that he has not been 100% busted yet, but hey lets just forget about it, act like it's not a possibility, and act like there's no risk at all!
ultimately even if sketch uploaded his bandis, no one would get banned due to the parties involved. z8 just can't take that big of a hit. would have been 2 cfs ruined under doubts of corruption, they also can't bring to light possible corruption from a MOD/league partner that had absolute faith]
it doesn't really matter since as long as 2 people maintain their positions there can be nothing done since everything would be circumstantial at best, and even then this is a non issue. it isn't like any laws were broken
a video game scandal is nothing more than some nerds wanting to draw importance to themselves, corporate doesn't care and to be frank they shouldn't care -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »He hasn't been in any game spectating since the issue. So clearly there's no ground for acting as if it's a problem. I told him to stay out of spectating games for that very reason because people would be suspicious still even though it wasn't proven.
Using Iceman as an excuse for not trusting games is stupid because I've removed the problem from the situation. I'm the only one who manages games at this point, so your "risk" isn't present. So what's the problem?
I specifically remember not to long ago with I think logic? (correct me if i'm wrong), and he said he didn't want any ESG admins to spectate his game. Obviously it was because of the Iceman and lifeline members incident. You guys then made or posted a rule that said you cannot deny an admin to spectate an ESG match.
You never posted publicly before that you told him he was not allowed to spectate matches, so it's pretty easy to see where i'm coming from. -
hands up dont shoot[MOD]Polleus wrote: »He hasn't been in any game spectating since the issue. So clearly there's no ground for acting as if it's a problem. I told him to stay out of spectating games for that very reason because people would be suspicious still even though it wasn't proven.
Using Iceman as an excuse for not trusting ESG is stupid because I've removed the supposed problem from the situation. I'm the only one who manages games or has access to manage the games/scores, so your "risk" isn't present. So what's the problem now?
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mateuszsweg wrote: »I specifically remember not to long ago with I think logic? (correct me if i'm wrong), and he said he didn't want any ESG admins to spectate his game. Obviously it was because of the Iceman and lifeline members incident. You guys then made or posted a rule that said you cannot deny an admin to spectate an ESG match.
You never posted publicly before that you told him he was not allowed to spectate matches, so it's pretty easy to see where i'm coming from.
Why do I need post that publicly? I told him as a business partner that he should stay out of matches and he has. So no, it's not easy to see where you're coming from. You're being a rude for no reason and bashing a situation that isn't even a situation. He's been removed from the equation, he doesn't manage or spectate games. That rule was made before the Lifeline incident, so you're time line of events is off. Since then, no admin has been present in a spectator position in any game.
Again, no problem. So, what's the problem? -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Why do I need post that publicly? I told him as a business partner that he should stay out of matches and he has. So no, it's not easy to see where you're coming from. You're being a rude for no reason and bashing a situation that isn't even a situation. He's been removed from the equation, he doesn't manage or spectate games. That rule was made before the Lifeline incident, so you're time line of events is off. Since then, no admin has been present in a spectator position in any game.
Again, no problem. So, what's the problem?
Okay the problem WAS you posted the rule that said you cannot deny an admin to spectate a game.
You never told anyone else that he should stay out of matches. How were we supposed to know what you told him? Under our knowledge he could spectate games whenever he wanted. Now that we know that he's been "removed from the equation", there is no problem. So thanks?
I also said that the rule was made / posted after the accusations. I wasn't sure if it was made before or after that happened, that is why I included posted.
If you want to know why i'm being rude, it's because of Mike. -
Alright boys, it's time to get you all real..
Both admins are complete utter jokes, Zzxq as an admin? Hahahahahahahha..
Now we all know that iceMEAN ghosted for kanata, but no one really gives a fck because according to the "big guys" they're the only reason this game is still alive. Though, i'd honestly prefer having someone like Zzxq spectate the game than someone from ESG. But, why can't' the game just add like an spectator delay?
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Yes. There will be no Administrators who will spectate any sort of matches. Not now or during CFS or ever. The only people who will be in spectator slots would be a streamer/caster (if that even happens). With all the controversy with ghosting, it's hard to even pass that by people too.
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Yet there was an admin present for CFS in december.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »That rule was made before the Lifeline incident, so you're time line of events is off. Since then, no admin has been present in a spectator position in any game.
Again, no problem. So, what's the problem?
#ferguson
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[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Yes. There will be no Administrators who will spectate any sort of matches. Not now or during CFS or ever. The only people who will be in spectator slots would be a streamer/caster (if that even happens). With all the controversy with ghosting, it's hard to even pass that by people too.
It's harder with ESG when there's very suspicious footage against an admin. -
mateuszsweg wrote: »I specifically remember not to long ago with I think logic? (correct me if i'm wrong), and he said he didn't want any ESG admins to spectate his game. Obviously it was because of the Iceman and lifeline members incident. You guys then made or posted a rule that said you cannot deny an admin to spectate an ESG match.
You never posted publicly before that you told him he was not allowed to spectate matches, so it's pretty easy to see where i'm coming from.
I thought that was to let the match to be streamed? -
mateuszsweg wrote: »You have no insight on skill in this game between teams, keep your ****ing mouth shut and patrol the esg client for cheaters.
EDIT: Yes i'll take an ESG ban with that for disrespecting an admin. You can suck my **** for all I care.
Yes, seriously. 90% of the community thinks that Iceman ghosted, yet you guys make a rule stating you cannot deny an admin to spectate a game. The footage that was given from sketch was highly convincing that he ghosted for them, but you're going to risk it anyways and say **** it.
Yeah I understand that he has not been 100% busted yet, but hey lets just forget about it, act like it's not a possibility, and act like there's no risk at all!
I was not talking to you. Everytime I make a post you come and try to insult me and then ask for a ban. If you have something you wish to talk about, feel free to add me on xfire: myanticheat
Everyone knows the second I ban you, you'll make 100 posts on the forums saying how it was unfair and ESG is corrupt. -
Honestly I think CFS Should be a non-league ran event. It should be a combination of the 2 staff teams to ensure legitimacy on both sides. I think ESG has a client specifically for crossfire so its easier for them to directly handle AC issues where as some issue I cannot resolve without contacting people above me in the NESL staff.
So I think the best online qualifier option would be to have BOTH staff teams present and have influence since the event is composed of teams that qualified from both leagues.
Just my opinion. Doubt ESG will want to work with me since I am very critical of them in some of my posts, but who knows. Bridging the gap could be good for both leagues in my opinion. I am pretty transparent about what I do, so I don't see Ghosting / Cheating being an issue if both leagues work together on the event.
At the end of the day players need to realize Myself, and ESG do the best we can with the resources we have, and go above and beyond what most people would be willing to do for Crossfire NA. -
I was not talking to you. Everytime I make a post you come and try to insult me and then ask for a ban. If you have something you wish to talk about, feel free to add me on xfire: myanticheat
Everyone knows the second I ban you, you'll make 100 posts on the forums saying how it was unfair and ESG is corrupt.
Because every time someone has a question or a concern you reply to them in an immature, unprofessional, selfish, ignorant response. You deserved to be bashed, you're a worthless piece of ****.
Making assumptions, expected coming from you.
By all means, ban me and test your theory.
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