Evidence Compilation for Saidin (Will be updated as Sketcheyes produces more)
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Im still shocked that this was all happening when I was in the same room as David to stream the matches. If I found out, I would have flipped my ****.
Eh I'm not blaming david. Carbon probably pressured him. I mean yeah some could say David could've just said no but nothing would've happened if carbon didn't think about it and didn't agree on it. So in the end, seems like Carbon is at fault more than david. -
Eh I'm not blaming david. Carbon probably pressured him. I mean yeah some could say David could've just said no but nothing would've happened if carbon didn't think about it and didn't agree on it. So in the end, seems like Carbon is at fault more than david.
Im surprised that no one has attempted to ask me to ghost for them. -
Lustye, first off I despise that you are too much of a coward to argue as the person you are. Rather pathetic. Anyway, with that straw man out of the way, I do rather appreciate someone attempting to argue against the evidence. However, I am sorry to inform you that, much like Purvis, you are sadly mistaken.
You seem to misunderstand what "hearsay" is. Hearsay is quite different from testimony or accusations. If I hear from RandomBR92 that Doop said ____, that is very different than Doop telling me directly that ____. In other words,
the report of another person's words by a witness
So, if someone came forward saying "Doop told me they ghosted", that is Hearsay. Then, if Doop himself comes forward saying "We ghosted", that is testimony.
See the difference?
Edit: So, if Sketch comes forward saying, "We had this conversation", that is different than, say, ERICK coming forward and letting us know "Sketch said that they talked about this". In other words, up until Sketcheyes came out, you would have been right. Every moment after, however...
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There are several points here. Yes, I do emphasize that both videos show no substantial evidence. I agree with that wholly. However, I make no such judgement call. He-said she-said is when two people disagree, and you have no adequate way of verifying that.
That is when you turn to audio evidence, or other witnesses. And right now, the witnesses and audio evidence are overwhelming compared to Blitzed and Malte's "we would never even discuss ghosting".
Thirdly, you are right to say that you do not necessarily know that everything they say is false, just because they lie about one thing. However, it does invalidate their testimony. Notice I do not say, "This means that everything they've said is false!" Rather, I point out that it shows we cannot trust them, because they are shown to be willing to lie.
Testimony is not he-said she-said. I make no judgement call, I use him to highlight that the entire rest of the team disagrees with their early statements, and recants what they are saying, which leads into my "Nail in the coffin" depiction of Doop.
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I agree that Iceman is denying, and as I highlight above, he-said she-said only matters in a person-to-person basis. If you have one person witness a crime, and another say "No I didn't", anyone will turn to a third person to verify. If more than one person can verify it, i.e. "I saw it too", then it is substantiated and moves out of the realm of reasonable doubt (unless you can discredit the new witness somehow).
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DavidLive was involved in the ghosting. Sketcheyes was involved in the ghosting. He was not basing his accusation solely on the fact that Malte had "god comms", he was basing it on the fact that Malte and their entire team had already agreed to ghost.-different circumstances, davidlive admitted to it, then later bert and brando.
-iceman blitzed and malte all deny, so doop's admittance means nothing.
That is simply untrue. Blitzed and Malte, as I explain above, no longer should be considered valid witnesses, simply because they have already perjured themselves. They've shown that they are willing to lie. Sketch, doop, and CK have not. That's simple logic; you should trust testimony until you learn that the testimony is somehow impeded upon by outward conditions.- where is this coming from? I would like to see the bandis or whatever you are getting this info. from
- and still, it still remains circumstantial while playing in-game. and making calls.
Oh, they're on the way. And, I'm well aware that the replay evidence is circumstantial. I make note of that in the original post, which you so daringly edit out to try to get an even more emotionally charged post. -
I can only imagine this scenario completely enveloping the lives of every party involved in this fiasco much like a court battle over a murder trial. All this partial evidence, raised tone of voice, backstabbing and treachery must be nerve-wrecking. Maybe it will go down in history and our kids will be studying this transcript in 30 years of the "god like calling" Malte and his trusty steed Roth. With gut wrenching twists and turns and "nobody should speak of this" moments to be fell upon in the most unlikely circumstances.
Who will make millions off the book to be made? Suko? Doop? Maybe Z8 will change to the soap opera business. They already have loyal actors.
It's just a game, calm down. -
If you're going to keep redefining the eyewitness testimony to fit yourself, then I can't really argue against you, true.
All I'm going to do is leave you with a quote showing you how silly you are.having more witnesses doesn't mean anything -
Okay so why I posted what I did: (Me admitting to ghosting) http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=265831
I spoke with Mike from ESG about the situation and he had told me that ESG will be removing me as an admin. I didn't directly admit to anything to them nor did they have 100% proof of me ghosting. I've could of made a completely different post that defended Carbon and said it was bullsht but I didn't. Carbon didn't admit to anything until after the fact either.
I wasn't pressured nor was I trying to defend myself when I posted about what had happened. I was upset with myself and uncomfortable with the situation. In the video, I told Bert that it wasn't going to happen again because when I finished ghosting for Carbon, I told them I didn't want to do it again. I said yes and went through with it but it wasn't something that sat right with me after. I posted it because it was the right thing to do and I did have a guilty conscious. People made comparisons to how I want to pursue a career in law enforcement and how I would take a bribe as a cop etc... I know that I wouldn't but that did get to me. A lot of hateful comments but all justified due to my actions.
I didn't admit to the fact that I ghosted because I just wanted to leave it in my past and not make the same mistake. It was wrong and I knew it. I didn't need all of you to call me scumbags and talk sht to me to know that because that was the main reason why I didn't want to do it. I was deeply passionate and dedicated to this game as an admin and shoutcaster and I ruined it all by being a dumb ass and ghosting.
The least I could do with my leave from ESG and loss of career in shoutcasting was to provide the full truth. Not a bunch of assumptions and lies that people come up with. I didn't want ESG to be posting on my behalf on what happened either because in the end, I didn't want the blame to go towards ESG because it was not their fault. Carbon members were real life friends and in game friends. I met them through this game and getting comfortable and knowing them is the reason why I allowed myself to Ghost for them in the first place. The money was more of a motivation then anything.
This whole Carbon and LifeLine / Ace Gaming situation have similar circumstances and the difference between the two is we had Carbon members admit along with myself. Ace Gaming nor Iceman have not admitted to it. The big piece of evidence is that a member from the TEAM at the time admitted to ghosting.
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Purvis I think you're a great guy and everything but man when I see you posting **** on these forums, I get irritated the **** out of what you post. It just ****es me off sometimes and you were my motivation to clarify some ****. -
David00Live wrote: »This whole Carbon and LifeLine / Ace Gaming situation have similar circumstances and the difference between the two is we had Carbon members admit along with myself. Ace Gaming nor Iceman have not admitted to it. The big piece of evidence is that a member from the TEAM at the time admitted to ghosting.
Oh like sketcheyes! -
David00Live wrote: »This whole Carbon and LifeLine / Ace Gaming situation have similar circumstances and the difference between the two is we had Carbon members admit along with myself. Ace Gaming nor Iceman have not admitted to it. The big piece of evidence is that a member from the TEAM at the time admitted to ghosting.
You're about as smart as jpurv.
Two of us have directly admitted to ghosting. CK said, 'guize we jusst jokesss". -
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David00Live wrote: »guilty conscious.
I think you meant conscience
conscious =/= conscience
con·scious
ˈkänCHəs/
adjective
aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake.
con·science
ˈkänCHəns/
noun
an inner feeling or voice viewed as acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior.
Sorrrrrryyyyyy. -
black0uttttt wrote: »x0tek you take your video games wayyy to serious
it's actually kind of sad seeing the amount of effort he puts in his posts, i actually kind of feel bad, maybe because i feel sorry for him or because i can't feel so pastionate about something so retarded -
That match is a stretch, since you are also now including malice, req, and ayrin. It will be sad if its true though
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I know, it's a huge stretch.
But, the argument is this:
1. The first person Blitzed accused of telling people about ghosting is Shadow.
2. Shadow was not involved during the first ghosting event, and was only ever great friends with Ayrin and Malice.
3. Shadow would only know about ghosting from Ayrin or Malice.
4. Ergo, either Ayrin and Malice were aware of prior ghosting, or they ghosted themselves.
Which is sad. I don't know what to think, or whether or not to add it.
I'm just mindblown about the whole situation. I don't know what to do anymore, there's so much evidence, and so little care seeming to be given from the staff of these organizations (both G4box and ESG)...
I really don't know what to do, I'm at a (rare) loss for words. -
Ellustrial wrote: »
I'm just mindblown about the whole situation. I don't know what to do anymore, there's so much evidence, and so little care seeming to be given from the staff of these organizations (both G4box and ESG)...
I really don't know what to do, I'm at a (rare) loss for words.
Yeah, i was telling saidin earlier today how amazed i am that they are literally not even looking into it.
Saidin basically said it was too old of a match to matter and there was no point bringing up a "cold case". Really dissapointing to hear.... -
Can you post more direct or concrete evidence?Ellustrial wrote: »Updating with further circumstantial evidence.
Of course it would be a lot "harder" per say to get ahold of the "smoking gun".Ellustrial wrote: »...there's so much evidence, and so little care seeming to be given from the staff of these organizations (both G4box and ESG)...
So you want them to make their decision on a whole lot of "he-said, she-said" kind of evidence? Where, not only was this an alleged event (as I'm perceiving) that took place way a whole year ago, but that the people involved are not even on the same team anymore?
A question on this, is there any more information on HOW this ghosting happened?
Like was it walkie talkies? A cell phone? Hand signals? A smoke fire?
I can only see the macro-view here. Not a lot of description when it comes to the micro-view.
Nor is it really presentable in a clear-cut, well-defined manner that even a noob such as myself could understand with one reading. To me it looks like a wall of text that only the people who were there that SAW the match, probably streamed ofc, could understand.
Let us lowly little people know as well!! -
So you want them to make their decision on a whole lot of "he-said, she-said" kind of evidence? Where, not only was this an alleged event (as I'm perceiving) that took place way a whole year ago, but that the people involved are not even on the same team anymore?
A question on this, is there any more information on HOW this ghosting happened?
Like was it walkie talkies? A cell phone? Hand signals? A smoke fire?
I can only see the macro-view here. Not a lot of description when it comes to the micro-view.
Nor is it really presentable in a clear-cut, well-defined manner that even a noob such as myself could understand with one reading. To me it looks like a wall of text that only the people who were there that SAW the match, probably streamed ofc, could understand.
Let us lowly little people know as well!!
I mean, my argument has never been that the evidence is very strong. Simply that it's more than enough compared to the Carbon situation.
As for the "a whole year ago" spiel that several people are using...
Carbon had ghosted 7 months before their bust. Are those extra 4 months really that big of a deal? It could be in 2008 for all I care, and punishment would still be warranted.
Edit2: Let me get a little "concrete" for you, then.
1. There is a video link showing Pete and Roth discussing ghosting.
2. There are several involved parties coming forward saying that they did, in fact, ghost.
3. In the Carbon situation, there was a video link showing several members of Carbon discussing ghosting.
4. In the Carbon situation, there were several involved parties who came forward and said that they did, in fact, ghost.
5. In the LifeLine situation, it was roughly a year ago.
6. In the Carbon situation, it was roughly 7 months before the evidence came out.
7. Doop said that Pete would have most likely used a cell-phone. But you're right! Perhaps they used smoke signals. Using sarcasm to detract from arguments is fun!
Edit: As for the whole "wall of text" not coming from parties involved...
All this thread did was assimilate the current evidence into a single location, rather than spread through a dozen threads. I am still unsure as to yet include the match vs Socks, as it's more theory than evidence.
. Totally worth it lol **** english. 
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