My idea of anti-hack/cheat solution - known cheater/hacker-free rooms or server.
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Annomader1 wrote: »When the X-trap will work proberly there will be no need for that option,
then everyone will be happy - and BTW we are all stuck in hack wars, we all sufering in them
since they were 'happy' by ruin gameplay to others.
Why not? Many of drug-users have label DRUG-USER but they are able to change.
Because they are given a second chance maybe? -
You call cheating a hard work? silly...When you label someone with the hacking honour, they can't change because you've forced them out of all the rooms. Make a new account you say? Well isn't that already what all hackers do after they get banned by support? What's the point in adding this when hackers will simply make a new account, but people who want to change can't without losing their hard work?
They are labeled anyways - no matter do they use or not the second chance...FrozenSyther wrote: »Because they are given a second chance maybe?
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Anyway compare cheating to drug-addicts is not good... the better could be fax-fraud.
If You are a tax-fraud You could earn some money - if You get cought You have to pay for
Your crime, and You had to give all stealed cash and have court case...ect.
Here those fraud-players lost only their honour (with they do not care anyways)but still are able to steal and do
not lost even 1 point from their EXP, GP, Kills, Raito - they are still high raking players
they are still could lie 'I'm PRO look at my raito' they still could buy items form stolen cash. -
I'm talking about people who got temp banned for hacking by xTrap then decided to stop hacking. People like those deserve a second chance, but your suggestion forces them to play against hackers.Annomader1 wrote: »You call cheating a hard work? silly...
Now you're just modifying your suggestion to make a point. If you're going to label them, then they can't join any more rooms. THERE IS NOT SECOND CHANCE IN YOUR SOLUTION.Annomader1 wrote: »They are labeled anyways - no matter do they use or not the second chance...
Anyway compare cheating to drug-addicts is not good... the better could be fax-fraud.
And comparing hacking to drug abuse is perfectly fine. Both are wrongdoings that result in poor consequences. -
Oh I'm sorry - but why I had to play among them - why I had to sufer when they areI'm talking about people who got temp banned for hacking by xTrap then decided to stop hacking. People like those deserve a second chance, but your suggestion forces them to play against hackers.
untouchable and earn thousands EXP, GP, ZP ect...
Stop trying show them as the victims, since those are to blame.
Of course I do - since it was not my idea compare them to drug-useresNow you're just modifying your suggestion to make a point. If you're going to label them, then they can't join any more rooms. THERE IS NOT SECOND CHANCE IN YOUR SOLUTION.
And comparing hacking to drug abuse is perfectly fine. Both are wrongdoings that result in poor consequences.
- and those (drug-users) in the end are wrecks (if they do not stop).
Here those cheaters are doing fine - have many kills, EXP, GP - and cant play like it never happens...
what is not fair, they cheat, steal fun from others...
Just like tax-fraud who do not get caught at all... -
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It could be some system that allow to recover 'normal' Honour afterVincentsBro wrote: »I think this is a REALLY good idea. But, suppose a cheater realizes that cheating isn't necassary. Then there should be a way for the player to regain his Honor. Mabey a challenge mission or something with a Regained Honor award. Just a thought.
year or two without any report. -
Annomader1 wrote: »Do You belive in second chance? I do not - cheater is a cheater -
do not cheat if You do not want to be treat like cheater. It's simple.
Also - public mark could be an additional punishment.
I've used hacks before, does this make me the worst person on the planet? No, so deal win the fact that I never hack anymore. "Cheater is a cheater, its your fault," get out, you annoy me. -
Worst on planet - NO, but a cheater - YES - deal with it, You are a cheater,I've used hacks before, does this make me the worst person on the planet? No, so deal win the fact that I never hack anymore. "Cheater is a cheater, its your fault," get out, you annoy me.
fraud who dare call himself a fair player.
What was Your punishment? loss HS and few days off?
Oh tell me how it change Your life... or Your statistics? -
KryxisAlpha wrote: »What if with the label of cheater, that we put when they last hacked and what kind of hak was it?
Then, if the hak was more than let's say 7 months ago, it would be removed.
So for 7 months they'd have to play in rooms full of hacks?
Yeah no thanks. -
there is no need to put an info what kind of cheat it was... speed, wall or glitch - doesn't matter.KryxisAlpha wrote: »What if with the label of cheater, that we put when they last hacked and what kind of hak was it?
Then, if the hak was more than let's say 7 months ago, it would be removed.
About time - 7 months is not enough...Annomader1 wrote: »It could be some system that allow to recover 'normal' Honour after
year or two without any report.
they could play with their friends, clanmates...So for 7 months they'd have to play in rooms full of hacks?
Yeah no thanks. -
Annomader1 wrote: »Worst on planet - NO, but a cheater - YES - deal with it, You are a cheater,
fraud who dare call himself a fair player.
What was Your punishment? loss HS and few days off?
Oh tell me how it change Your life... or Your statistics?
I lost $600 worth of purchases, a 2nd LT account which I legitametly levelled up 90% of it by playing since 2010, and 38 days in total of being banned. It is now permanently banned.
Some people deserve a second chance. I haven't hacked on this account, and I don't plan on it because I've once again put money into it. People learn their lessons after a certain mark in time, and I learned mine. You're immature for thinking that people can't change.Annomader1 wrote: »they could play with their friends, clanmates...
Lets see you play with your "friends/clanmates" for 7 months. I'm sure they will get sick and tired of you. This suggestion is just dumb. -
Hacker instant messaging
How about a automatic message that your account is under review and investigation will be conducted due to Hacking. Please contact Z8games before your accout will be delited and terminated. Can this be done and added to Conduct of Infliction penalties? -
Should I feel sorry for your loss? Sorry I'm not. It was all Your fault.I lost $600 worth of purchases, a 2nd LT account which I legitametly levelled up 90% of it by playing since 2010, and 38 days in total of being banned. It is now permanently banned.
Some people deserve a second chance. I haven't hacked on this account, and I don't plan on it because I've once again put money into it. People learn their lessons after a certain mark in time, and I learned mine. You're immature for thinking that people can't change.
As far I understand You were hack and that account was blocked,
then create a new one and You were not hack them - in that case only first acc could
get an cheater mark - second one not.
Poor You - but it's not my fault that You do not have enought friends,Lets see you play with your "friends/clanmates" for 7 months. I'm sure they will get sick and tired of you. This suggestion is just dumb.
play-mates or clan-mates. -
Annomader1 wrote: »read what I write then post...
I did indeed read what you wrote, and from what I got out of your horrible grammar, all you said was anyone without the HS ribbon would be excluded from those rooms. No where in your post did you say they would come up with a system that would differentiate the bans from hacks and the bans for other reasons not related to cheating. I DO still stand by what I said. Horrible system, horrible idea. -
I'm sorry mr perfect - but tell me where I write that it will be based on HS ribbon?I did indeed read what you wrote, and from what I got out of your horrible grammar, all you said was anyone without the HS ribbon would be excluded from those rooms. No where in your post did you say they would come up with a system that would differentiate the bans from hacks and the bans for other reasons not related to cheating. I DO still stand by what I said. Horrible system, horrible idea.Annomader1 wrote: »q: Is that will hit the players who lost their HS becouse of chargebacks?
a: NO, that is the point of my idea - it should 'hit' only the cheating ones (current and the old ones)Annomader1 wrote: »I belive that Support have an history of the records - and have a list of banned players with
an info for what ban was set, so it should be easy to find only those who were cheat. -
Just gonna throw this out there: Not a SINGLE person here has agreed with your system, and I don't either. People on here have found multiple flaws with it, and you haven't been able to come up with any sort of counter-argument that has made sense. Your lack of knowledge of the English language is obviously posing to be an issue here. You're not understanding what most people are saying, and are completely missing the point of their posts.
As for the topic: Why is it that people who have hacked can't have a second chance? You need to put yourself in their position. Is it completely crazy and out of the realm of possibility that a person can have a change of heart? Who are you to decide whether or not people can change their attitude towards the game? Who are you to decide whether or not people are allowed to enjoy the game legitimately despite past conflicts? And lastly, who are you to tell people how to play the game? Sometimes you just need to think about things before you say them, and sometimes you need to realize that people may have a different perspective/idea on a subject than you do. Albeit that seems crazy, it still happens. That's life. Live with it. -
Annomader1 wrote: »I'm sorry mr perfect - but tell me where I write that it will be based on HS ribbon?
Again, it's your English. I have no idea what idea you're trying to convey here. I simply can't understand what you're writing, because of the fact that it doesn't make any sense. Get it through your head. -
That's life. Live with it.
That last line could also be used for the counter argument. You hacked in a game where you're not MEANT to hack, but you did, and now you're not allowed to play it. That's life, live with it. There's no use complaining that the system's unfair, when you broke the rules, when you risked everything.
Hacking in a game is paramount to murdering someone or ****** someone in real life. It's the worst possible thing you can do in a situation. Therefore, you're not allowed to play the game any more. It's simple enough a concept, yet so many people just fall under the delusion that people are hacking when in reality, they're just good or got lucky. Then they think that hacking is okay, they hack, then they get banned, then they QQ a lot saying they didn't hack. If you don't have a strict enough penalty, you will not be able to make people follow rules.
That's Life. Live with it, and don't hack in another game again. -
There are some people who agree with me - so You were wrong that 'not single person' had agreed.
About puting in their position - why I should? I despise all cheaters, I never hack or cheat
in any of mutiplayer game - and each who does in my eyes is just an pathetic n00b,
looser who choose the easy way.
I do not decide how peole should play the game - but IMHO all cheaters should just GTFO,
and stop ruin the beauty of gameplay.
And I really realise that people may have diferent perspective - that is why I create that topic.
But as far all what I read is some QQ that 'poor' cheraters will be unfairly treaten.
So hack and glitch is fair - but punish them is not? They could get benefits from their cheats
and then just get away with that - just like never happens?
IMHO that is not how things should be done.
Second chances - ok have some, but in new account, in with You do not hack or cheat,
show everyone that You can play an earn that much exp by plaing fair. -
KryxisAlpha wrote: »That last line could also be used for the counter argument. You hacked in a game where you're not MEANT to hack, but you did, and now you're not allowed to play it. That's life, live with it. There's no use complaining that the system's unfair, when you broke the rules, when you risked everything.
Hacking in a game is paramount to murdering someone or ****** someone in real life. It's the worst possible thing you can do in a situation. Therefore, you're not allowed to play the game any more. It's simple enough a concept, yet so many people just fall under the delusion that people are hacking when in reality, they're just good or got lucky. Then they think that hacking is okay, they hack, then they get banned, then they QQ a lot saying they didn't hack. If you don't have a strict enough penalty, you will not be able to make people follow rules.
That's Life. Live with it, and don't hack in another game again.
The severity of the punishment is not the only factor to preventing the rule breaking, you also need the certainty they will be caught. (If there is a 100% chance of being caught in a day, many would be far less willing to break the rule.) -
The severity of the punishment is not the only factor to preventing the rule breaking, you also need the certainty they will be caught. (If there is a 100% chance of being caught in a day, many would be far less willing to break the rule.)
Yes, but that chance of being caught in a day is really low and it's unlikely to increase dramatically. However, if the account was sealed off and shut completely every single time, it's unlikely hackers find joy in creating a new account, registering, etc. -
KryxisAlpha wrote: »Yes, but that chance of being caught in a day is really low and it's unlikely to increase dramatically. However, if the account was sealed off and shut completely every single time, it's unlikely hackers find joy in creating a new account, registering, etc.
Yeah, that the thing about punishment. It needs 3 things to work effectively.
Certainty of being caught.
Cost them something they care about when they are caught.
Incentive to not break the rule in the future if they return.
Usually takes a few weeks for a hacker to get caught.
they are usually caught by X-trap, which just temp bans them in increasing intervals and removes the honor ribbon. And when they do get perm banned, they just make a new account. Only thing they lose is time invested. -
Annomader1 wrote: »There are some people who agree with me - so You were wrong that 'not single person' had agreed.
About puting in their position - why I should? I despise all cheaters, I never hack or cheat
in any of mutiplayer game - and each who does in my eyes is just an pathetic n00b,
looser who choose the easy way.
I do not decide how peole should play the game - but IMHO all cheaters should just GTFO,
and stop ruin the beauty of gameplay.
And I really realise that people may have diferent perspective - that is why I create that topic.
But as far all what I read is some QQ that 'poor' cheraters will be unfairly treaten.
So hack and glitch is fair - but punish them is not? They could get benefits from their cheats
and then just get away with that - just like never happens?
IMHO that is not how things should be done.
Second chances - ok have some, but in new account, in with You do not hack or cheat,
show everyone that You can play an earn that much exp by plaing fair.
If you're an American, I feel so sorry for you. How'd you pass 3rd grade English class? -
Annomader1 wrote: »
So hack and glitch is fair - but punish them is not? They could get benefits from their cheats
and then just get away with that - just like never happens?
IMHO that is not how things should be done.
Second chances - ok have some, but in new account, in with You do not hack or cheat,
show everyone that You can play an earn that much exp by plaing fair.
Getting permanently banned isn't a punishment? Honestly, I'd rather have hackers banned than have hackers isolated into their own server.
And hacking has little to do with EXP. Like I said, not giving someone a second chance is just idiotic, because all people have made mistakes, whether it be small or large.
EDIT: And please, please actually read the posts we make instead of typing some random crap that doesn't address anything that we've wrote.
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