My idea of anti-hack/cheat solution - known cheater/hacker-free rooms or server.
Ok here is a thing - we have many cheaters here, many of them were reported
but they are still able to play - since their punishment ended in temp ban and HS ribbon removal.
They are still play and still harm gameplay - and many of them will not get perm ban
since they are ZP-buyers (ad least that looks like in my opinion).
Or just x-trap or any other anti-cheat system so far do not detected them.
I just came with an Idea - in game we have an Honour Tab, right now it's just an statistics,
info what says usually 'Good' 'Average' 'Bad' or 'Very Bad' what is calculated by your
desertions, team-kill ect...
But that tab could be used also to mark cheaters - You were reported and banned for cheating
(hack, glitch, ect.) and you were baned (not by perm ban) then the Honour tab will says: Cheater.
And now the main idea - support could add an option what allows during create a room
(or as default on some server) set an simple cheacker what will be verify does the entering player ever cheated before - if Yes then - block eg.
<if: 'Honour' = 'cheater' - then: 'entry not allowed' - otherwise: 'enter' >
What IMHO could make the rooms more hacker-free (even by 70%)
even if that will be just manually choosen option
(just like an no-flash, no-granates option - By default OFF - manually set to ON).
In the introduction some quick answers:
q: Is that will hit the players who lost their HS becouse of chargebacks?
a: NO, that is the point of my idea - it should 'hit' only the cheating ones (current and the old ones)
s: There ale still many players who will slip by that system by create new accounts.
a: I'm aware of that - but it will be highly suspicious to see a rookie who suddenly have eg 40/0
plus if there will be some cheater who slip - then we just report that one, and we will be no longer able
to play in such rooms (servers).
q: It's not fair - I do not use hack for long time - why I shouldn't able to enter?
a: It's Your fault that You use hack on first place - You wanted to harm the gameplay
- so You should face the consequences
Also You could still play among friends or clanmates - who belive that You do not cheat anymore.
q: Don't we should wait until the x-trap will be updated? It should fix the problem.
a: I wish to belive in that, but so far none of their updated do not fix the problem od cheaters.
But if that will do someday - then that option it will be not needed anymore - but so far it's really needed.
q: Why do You think it will helps?
a: As I said many of cheaters still are able to play, many of them still use their hack (just maybe more wisely)
and now they will not able to enter the room where it will be such option set.
Plus IMHO it's easier to implement to game - since there is already such tab in game - so that does not require
the creation of a new object/data in character profile. Just the simple < if - then > function.
What do You think?
but they are still able to play - since their punishment ended in temp ban and HS ribbon removal.
They are still play and still harm gameplay - and many of them will not get perm ban
since they are ZP-buyers (ad least that looks like in my opinion).
Or just x-trap or any other anti-cheat system so far do not detected them.
I just came with an Idea - in game we have an Honour Tab, right now it's just an statistics,
info what says usually 'Good' 'Average' 'Bad' or 'Very Bad' what is calculated by your
desertions, team-kill ect...
But that tab could be used also to mark cheaters - You were reported and banned for cheating
(hack, glitch, ect.) and you were baned (not by perm ban) then the Honour tab will says: Cheater.
And now the main idea - support could add an option what allows during create a room
(or as default on some server) set an simple cheacker what will be verify does the entering player ever cheated before - if Yes then - block eg.
<if: 'Honour' = 'cheater' - then: 'entry not allowed' - otherwise: 'enter' >
What IMHO could make the rooms more hacker-free (even by 70%)
even if that will be just manually choosen option
(just like an no-flash, no-granates option - By default OFF - manually set to ON).
In the introduction some quick answers:
q: Is that will hit the players who lost their HS becouse of chargebacks?
a: NO, that is the point of my idea - it should 'hit' only the cheating ones (current and the old ones)
s: There ale still many players who will slip by that system by create new accounts.
a: I'm aware of that - but it will be highly suspicious to see a rookie who suddenly have eg 40/0
plus if there will be some cheater who slip - then we just report that one, and we will be no longer able
to play in such rooms (servers).
q: It's not fair - I do not use hack for long time - why I shouldn't able to enter?
a: It's Your fault that You use hack on first place - You wanted to harm the gameplay
- so You should face the consequences
Also You could still play among friends or clanmates - who belive that You do not cheat anymore.
q: Don't we should wait until the x-trap will be updated? It should fix the problem.
a: I wish to belive in that, but so far none of their updated do not fix the problem od cheaters.
But if that will do someday - then that option it will be not needed anymore - but so far it's really needed.
q: Why do You think it will helps?
a: As I said many of cheaters still are able to play, many of them still use their hack (just maybe more wisely)
and now they will not able to enter the room where it will be such option set.
Plus IMHO it's easier to implement to game - since there is already such tab in game - so that does not require
the creation of a new object/data in character profile. Just the simple < if - then > function.
What do You think?
Comments
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Do You belive in second chance? I do not - cheater is a cheater -FrozenSyther wrote: »I remember once someone said that this would elminate second chances.
I don't this how this would help ban people, it would only lable them.
do not cheat if You do not want to be treat like cheater. It's simple.
Also - public mark could be an additional punishment. -
Well IMO if someone wants to ruin the game by using a hack, I have no problems with them being "labelled" as such. Although I don't think this would totally solve all the problems with hackers, it may make people think twice as it will forever be attached to their account.
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I'm aware of that will not enterly fix the problem of cheatersDrunkenWafle wrote: »Well IMO if someone wants to ruin the game by using a hack, I have no problems with them being "labelled" as such. Although I don't think this would totally solve all the problems with hackers, it may make people think twice as it will forever be attached to their account.
- but it could reduced it to a tolerable level. -
Annomader1 wrote: »Do You belive in second chance? I do not - cheater is a cheater -
do not cheat if You do not want to be treat like cheater. It's simple.
Also - public mark could be an additional punishment.
So if someone did drugs and wanted to stop, you would go tell them to go snort more and tell everyone he/she is an addict? -
Did I miss something? When I did write that I encourage the use of cheats?FrozenSyther wrote: »So if someone did drugs and wanted to stop, you would go tell them to go snort more?
But referring to Your example - I will mark a drug-user as 'DRUG USER'
so every who will meet him will know that he was or do drugs.
So those who do not want to deal with drug-users could avoid them.
In game You want fresh start? create new account and DO NOT CHEAT - simple. -
Annomader1 wrote: »Did I miss something? When I did write that I encourage the use of cheats?
But referring to Your example - I will mark a drug-user as 'DRUG USER'
so every who will meet him will know that he was or do drugs.
So those who do not want to deal with drug-users could avoid them.
I don't think you're getting his point.
He's comparing your suggestion to what he posted. If you're going to discriminate someone and not give them a second chance after they cheated, you might as well tell druggies to do some more drugs, then forever label them as a person who's done drugs. -
What if he was downloaded a kill mark from an unsafe site and the client picked it up as a hack? He gets banned and labeled without knowing what he did wrong and wouldn't be able to play even as a legit player.
When you lable someone for a long time they soon become that label. -
Annomader1 wrote: »Do You belive in second chance? I do not - cheater is a cheater -
do not cheat if You do not want to be treat like cheater. It's simple.
Also - public mark could be an additional punishment.
I believe in second chances. My account was temporarily banned for a chargeback. I lost HS ribbon, and there's no way of getting it back. The game has no way of specifying how I lost the ribbon either, so based on your system, I would be a "cheater" and not able to enter any of these rooms. So no, I think this is a horrible idea. -2 -
read what I write then post...I believe in second chances. My account was temporarily banned for a chargeback. I lost HS ribbon, and there's no way of getting it back. The game has no way of specifying how I lost the ribbon either, so based on your system, I would be a "cheater" and not able to enter any of these rooms. So no, I think this is a horrible idea. -2
I belive that Support have an history of the records - and have a list of banned players withAnnomader1 wrote: »q: Is that will hit the players who lost their HS becouse of chargebacks?
a: NO, that is the point of my idea - it should 'hit' only the cheating ones (current and the old ones)
an info for what ban was set, so it should be easy to find only those who were cheat. -
Oh and smething I wanted to add to my previous post, when you label someone as a hacker, he can no longer play legit. The moment he is better then someone he would get called hackers and kicked. This forces him to two choices: hack again or quit.
Drug users as well. If everyone labeled them and are across to talk to them it would only lead them to two choices; end their life or go back to their old life. -
ok, but they are not drug-users - they might have second chance - since drugsusing could be treated like disease, and it could be fixed.
Hovever cheaters are not sick - they are just n00bs who cannot play normal,
if they want fresh not cheated start - create new account and DO NOT CHEAT - simple.
Since why they should use of false benefits gained by fraud/cheats. -
I agree with what Bawbs and Frozen said.
This has already been suggested like a week ago - not sure in a seperate thread or just in a post..
Also, to clear some things up: If people get reported and the support looks into the report they will issue a permanent ban if they find someone cheating in any way.
If people just god their Honorable Soldier Ribbon removed and got a temporary ban, then they got caught by X-trap's auto-ban system, happens if you're using a detected hack. X-trap's auto-ban just issues temporary bans (first 3 days, then 7, then 14, then 30 and then perm [may have forgot about something here]). -
Your suggestion pretty much isolates hackers from everyone else. While yes, this means that we now have most hack-free rooms, it means that past hackers who want to change now cannot. They're simply forced to either:
A. Abandon their account that they've invested time and money into and start a new oneor
B. Be forced to play with hackers because no locked room will accept them, and possibly go back to hacking when they've had enough of getting hack-farmed. This really solves nothing, and instead may make the person get power-mad and start hacking on alts. -
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Your suggestion pretty much isolates hackers from everyone else. While yes, this means that we now have most hack-free rooms, it means that past hackers who want to change now cannot. They're simply forced to either:
A. Abandon their account that they've invested time and money into and start a new oneor
B. Be forced to play with hackers because no locked room will accept them, and possibly go back to hacking when they've had enough of getting hack-farmed. This really solves nothing, and instead may make the person get power-mad and start hacking on alts.
I will say it again - it was their own decision to hack in first place, if they will play with other hacks - then they will se how 'nice' is that, and also IMHO that is not fair for rest of Us that they are able to use benefits of their cheats.
But I'm wonder why You defend cheaters so much... -
Annomader1 wrote: »
But I'm wonder why You defend cheaters so much...
Because I believe that all people deserve second chances and that discriminating them after one mistake is not the solution.
Let's use Amanda Todd as an example. Do you feel like her suiside was justified and that she deserved it after she made one mistake? If you answer no, then you just disagreed with your own suggestion. -
I will say it again, people deserve a second chance. I'll fully explain my example to you since you can't seem to grasp the concept.
When you label a drug dealer you are pretty much telling him that he has two choices.
Because everyone wouldn't want to talk to him and would excuse him of ect, he would be left to continue doing drugs or end his life put of misery.
Hackers are the same way, you label then and everyone is afraid to play against them so he either has to keep hacking or quit forever.
I wonder why you don't listen.. -
Because I believe that all people deserve second chances and that discriminating them after one mistake is not the solution.
Let's use Amanda Todd as an example. Do you feel like her suiside was justified and that she deserved it? If you answer no, then you just disagreed with your own suggestion.
I do not belive that someone use their hack only once and get cought -
probably they are using that for days, months... and then when get finnally cought
they are now what? victims? How many kills they stole? how many GP/ZP they earn by their doing? And yet they are call themselves a 'pros' - who get a high rank not by
fair play but by hack. -
Annomader1 wrote: »I do not belive that someone use their hack only once and get cought -
probably they are using that for days, months... and then when get finnally cought
they are now what? victims? How many kills they stole? how many GP/ZP they earn by their doing? And yet they are call themselves a 'pros' - who get a high rank not by
fair play but by hack.
Answer my question first.
Do you think that Amanda Todd got what she deserved when she committed suiside? -
riight - You both just keep compare cheaters to drug-users...
the diference is - drug using is a disease and it's sometimes curable.
for them their punishment is wasted life - what IMHO is enought.
Since cheaters - are earn thousands GP, EXP, and get away with that,
and now act like victims, 'I want second chance' - for me, and many other fair players
is like slap in the face... -
Annomader1 wrote: »riight - You just keep compare cheaters to drug-users...
the diference is - drug using is a disease and it's sometimes curable.
for them their punishment is wasted life - what IMHO is enought.
Since cheaters - are earn thousands GP, EXP, and get away with that,
and now act like victims, 'I want second chance' - for me, and many other fair players
is like slap in the face...
Hacking is also curable. People want second chances, but can't do so because what you've done is discriminated them and locked them from every single room. Just because you hate hackers and think that once a hacker, always a hacker, doesn't mean that it's actually like that.
Look at it from an unbiased point of view, and you'll understand why this suggestion is never going to happen. -
Annomader1 wrote: »riight - You both just keep compare cheaters to drug-users...
the diference is - drug using is a disease and it's sometimes curable.
for them their punishment is wasted life - what IMHO is enought.
Since cheaters - are earn thousands GP, EXP, and get away with that,
and now act like victims, 'I want second chance' - for me, and many other fair players
is like slap in the face...
Drugs aren't a disease, it's an addiction.
How would you cure hackers if you don't give them a second chance? Common sense here.
Hackers punishment is wasted life as well. -
And that will clean the server form hackers like none of the x-trap updates,Hacking is also curable. People want second chances, but can't do so because what you've done is discriminated them from every single room. Just because you hate hackers and think that once a hacker, always a hacker, doesn't mean that it's actually like that.
Look at it from an unbiased point of view, and you'll understand why this suggestion is never going to happen.
they will keep cheating - they will be cought and then ban permament.
So if they really change - they will just like everyone else now does bite the bullet and wait untill all hack will be gone
also report each hack they meet.
See my point now? If they change - they will do not cheat at all - if not, they will be banned just like other hacks.
You know what hack does during mathes? They claim that their K/D raito is becouse of thei skill,FrozenSyther wrote: »Drugs aren't a disease, it's an addiction.
Hoe would you cure hackers if you don't give them a second chance? Common sense here.
Hackers punishment is wasted life as well.
they call themselves a Pros... many of them regret their hack only in face of consequences. -
Annomader1 wrote: »So if they really change - they will just like everyone else now does bite the bullet and wait untill all hack will be gone
also report each hack they meet.
See my point now? If they change - they will do not cheat at all - if not, they will be banned just like other hacks.
And IF they change, they can't do anything but start a new account. You've forced them out of any room that isn't honour-locked, and all you've done is discriminate them and force them back down the road to hacking, because they cannot show that they've changed, and instead are stuck in hack wars.
This too:FrozenSyther wrote: »That's the thing, THEY CAN'T CHANGE IF YOU PUT A LABEL ON THEM. Have you not been reading what we have posted for the pass 30 minutes?
If all you're going to do is ignore the posts we make, then you might as well not post a suggestion, because ignoring the flaws is not going to get this suggestion anywhere. -
When the X-trap will work proberly there will be no need for that option,And IF they change, they can't do anything but start a new account. You've forced them out of any room that isn't honour-locked, and all you've done is discriminate them and force them back down the road to hacking, because they cannot show that they've changed, and instead are stuck in hack wars.
then everyone will be happy - and BTW we are all stuck in hack wars, we all sufering in them
since they were 'happy' by ruin gameplay to others.
Why not? Many of drug-users have label DRUG-USER but they are able to change.FrozenSyther wrote: »That's the thing, THEY CAN'T CHANGE IF YOU PUT A LABEL ON THEM. Have you not been reading what we have posted for the pass 30 minutes? -
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When you label someone with the hacking honour, they can't change because you've forced them out of all the rooms. Make a new account you say? Well isn't that already what all hackers do after they get banned by support? What's the point in adding this when hackers will simply make a new account, but people who want to change can't without losing their hard work?
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