Suggestion of kick voting issue
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Lowering the chance for HM/HMX/MM seems like a good idea, ince there aren't many hackers in those modes now, and if there is, EVERYONE will have a motive to f11, not just the opposite team.
And I really like this idea: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=197951&highlight=vote+kick Compensating for when you get kicked. It'll take a lot of the annoyance out. The argument that this benefits hackers is not valid, since hackers rarely get kicked anyway, and the point of kicking them is to remove them from the game so they don't interfere with legit players, not so they won't get stuff. -
Your circular reasoning is circular.
You aren't rebutting my points. You are denying their existence. Learn to debate properly if you want to continue. If not, then there is no reason for me to try and make you understand what I'm trying to tell you, for you are just going "La la la la, I believe I am right, and as long as I don't listen, that's how its going to stay."
No actually you're self projecting.
You have yet to debate any point with a logical argument and have failed to address any point, nor have you stuck to the standards which you set for a debate.
As a kick vote abuser yourself I understand your frustration at the suggestion of the threshold being higher or having rooms on CF which you cannot make your 'presence felt' by removing "hackers", even if it is optional and wouldn't affect you.
I think you'll find I addressed all your points then you just ramble on adding tidbits that have nothing to do with the issue to try and prove your right:) -
No actually you're self projecting.
You have yet to debate any point with a logical argument and have failed to address any point, nor have you stuck to the standards which you set for a debate.
As a kick vote abuser yourself I understand your frustration at the suggestion of the threshold being higher or having rooms on CF which you cannot make your 'presence felt' by removing "hackers", even if it is optional and wouldn't affect you.
I think you'll find I addressed all your points then you just ramble on adding tidbits that have nothing to do with the issue to try and prove your right:)You haven't addressed ANY of my points. You just deny them being valid. And now you are just assuming I'm part of the problem and assume that's why I don't agree with your view. That's a childish rebuttal.
I have pointed out that raising the threshold will not only make it harder for noobs to kick legit players, but also make it harder for legit players to kick hackers. Because these same noobs that are kicking legit players on suspicion of hacking are keeping hackers in the game on suspicion of being legit players. Not every hacker is being an obvious hacker. Not every hacker is going to play better than a legit player. And as long as noobs don't know what to look for to spot the difference, they will go by score only, and not look for the signs that exposes a hacker or clears a legit player.
So the solution is education on hacking, rather than changing the system to deal with hacking. You can't just claim to have a cure, if you don't even know what disease you are dealing with. And that's exactly what you are proposing to do here. Proposing a new cure for a disease 3/4 of the public doesn't know the symptoms of. So 3/4 will continue to do as it always has. Administer the cure every time someones score becomes too high in their opinion, rather than whenever the symptoms of hacking occur.
And I've already pointed out that optional means nothing when it is the only option available. As soon as you give the power to kick to 1 person, every noob is going to want to be that person. So every noob is going to make his own room with him in charge of the kick-vote. And like I said before, there are only so many rooms you can make on a server until the room limit is reached.
So lets say the room limit is 30 rooms per server, then you'll have 30 noobs making 30 rooms with them in charge of kicking, and you'll be forced to join 1 of their 30 rooms.
So again, how does that option not affect me? -
Chimpzz, a vast majority of us are not pros who can aim for the head at 100 meters in a matter of milliseconds every single time. I feel your pain of getting kicked but not to an extent to take extreme action. The current vote kicking system is not fine, but it is one of those things where not fine is better than burning in Hell. I agree with Frecklez on most points. The problem is not with the vote kick system, it is with 1.) The community and 2.) the consequences of getting kicked.
The current system definitely has room for improvement, we are still open to good ideas, but no huge reform is needed. -
Bu11ish brings up a good point. The consequences of getting kicked is one thing about the kick-vote system that DOES leave room for improvement. Right now, being kicked means losing everything, which is hurting the legit players more than it is demoralizing hackers.
Also, its pointless to take away a hacker's score if the main goal is to ban that hacker. So instead they should allow players to keep their score up to the moment they have been kicked. It will soften the blow for legit players being kicked by noobs, and since a hacker is to be reported and banned, he'll lose his good scores in the end anyway.
Another good thing about this idea is that you won't get noobs spamming their request to be kicked anymore when they are doing badly, because their bad score will still count after being kicked. Thus they might as well leave on their own without asking to be kicked. -
You haven't addressed ANY of my points. You just deny them being valid. And now you are just assuming I'm part of the problem and assume that's why I don't agree with your view. That's a childish rebuttal.
No I've been kicked by you before;)
Here is something you posted, I suggest you read it then tell me how higher the threshold is a "bad idea".
Because using that post as a standard - if hackers don't get kicked it's the "communities fault" I don't see how you fail to comprehend this fact, highering the threshold would also resolve most of the abuse since as you said noobs outnumber everyone else.I have pointed out that raising the threshold will not only make it harder for noobs to kick legit players, but also make it harder for legit players to kick hackers. Because these same noobs that are kicking legit players on suspicion of hacking are keeping hackers in the game on suspicion of being legit players.
Don't make me lol.
They kick high ranks players for hacking usually in one vote even when everything would tell you they are not hacking; Are they spawn killing everyone at round start - No, Knifing all the ghosts in GM - No, they simply kick because of score and although although much of it circumstantial, rank, zp items would lead one to conclude with the other things that they are not hacking.
Yet when a corporal with a m16 comes into a game spawn killing, or knifing all the ghosts it's difficult to get them out, you have to kick sometimes up to 6 times or more and normally everyone is saying "I'm limited".
There is no mistake quite often with kick vote, they do know who is hacking and who isn't it's just that they use it to win.
That is why I agree with your argument it's not the kick vote that is broke it's the community that why the threshold ought to be higher and that doesn't break the kick vote either it just improves it and saves educating a million noobs about why they shouldn't kick people for shooting people in a FPS.So the solution is education on hacking, rather than changing the system to deal with hacking. You can't just claim to have a cure, if you don't even know what disease you are dealing with. And that's exactly what you are proposing to do here. Proposing a new cure for a disease 3/4 of the public doesn't know the symptoms of. So 3/4 will continue to do as it always has. Administer the cure every time someones score becomes too high in their opinion, rather than whenever the symptoms of hacking occur.
Your not going to educate thousands of children about not being immature and raging.
The disease is noobs the cure is letting more of the children decide whether a player is removed, better democracy.And I've already pointed out that optional means nothing when it is the only option available. As soon as you give the power to kick to 1 person, every noob is going to want to be that person. So every noob is going to make his own room with him in charge of the kick-vote. And like I said before, there are only so many rooms you can make on a server until the room limit is reached.
So you really believe being a supposedly educated person that all the channels in all the rooms are going to be rooms with 1/16 waiting?So lets say the room limit is 30 rooms per server, then you'll have 30 noobs making 30 rooms with them in charge of kicking, and you'll be forced to join 1 of their 30 rooms.
Only if you include yourself? After-all "all the noobs will be making rooms".Also, its pointless to take away a hacker's score if the main goal is to ban that hacker. So instead they should allow players to keep their score up to the moment they have been kicked. It will soften the blow for legit players being kicked by noobs
That would be a good idea to be honest but I'm pretty sure that is an idea you trashed in the past by saying the hackers will benefit and it's hard to get them banned etc.
I would say though I really don't give a damn, what I give a damn about is playing through 17 rounds of MM to be kicked on the last round and if I get my dues then F them. -
Sure, Chimpzz, I have no doubt that is true. I usually kick people like you for behaving like an intolerable ass. And I don't continue debating an issue with an intolerable ass either, for it is futile. I have made my points very clear. Any confusion still left on your part is due to your own lack of power to comprehend.
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I don't see why you still fight over the kick vote system. The kick vote system won't be changed, and it's fine the way it works. Don't like being kick voted? Play with friends or clanmates.Chimpzz doesn't have friends. His online attitude alone is a reason why people like to kick him.
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Frecklez... do you ever stop acting like a total d*ck? You little **** just walk around and **** off other users so you can attack them. How comes I don't see a single positive post from you? All you do is to b*tch around and hope that the other members get mad so you can attack them.
I tried a lot to avoid you, I put you on my ignore list but it didn't stop you from following me.
Why don't you just stop to annoy other forumers? Here are some of your posts:
Read those posts and tell me that you are not trolling...Chimpzz doesn't have friends.
Do you know him? I'm sure that he has friends. But the amount of you friends says nothing about a person. People with a lot of friends are not automatically better then people that don't have a lot of friends. Maybe he is just a person that likes to be alone?His online attitude alone is a reason why people like to kick him.
What is wrong with his attitude? I don't think he is doing anything wrong.you are just assuming I'm part of the problem and assume that's why I don't agree with your view.
I think he is right with that. You said yourself that you abuse the kickvote and that's probably the reason why you don't want this new system to be added.
But I think you should learn how to use a forum before you argue with people with people who know how it works.
But there is no point in talking to you, and that's also the reason why I will ignore you now, once again, which wont stop you from stalking me again. You just make a the mistakes that you can do on a forum. You make Full quotes, full quotes are almost everywhere forbidden. You write in colors, writing in colors is almost everywhere forbidden too. You just ignore other peoples posts and don't answer to the direct part of the previous posts like Chimpzz did. You keep attacking the poster for no reason which is generally wrong. You think that crossfire is a good game, people who think that crossfire is a good can't be people who have experience in life or gaming. You have 5,821 posts, seriously get a life! Why would someone spend that much time on the internet unless they totally suck in real life?
You know what? I don't totally suck at real life and that's why I'm out of this crappy place. -
Kinda funny I managed to p*ss off 2 apes (Chimpzz and BadMonkey) by proving them both incapable of holding a mature debate without resorting to name-calling, circular reasoning, and wall-long quoting without actually reading the stuff they are quoting.
It kinda makes you wonder if these two are either joined at the hip or one and the same person. They sure share the same intolerable personality trades. -
No offense but LOL.Kinda funny I managed to p*ss off 2 apes (Chimpzz and BadMonkey).
Why would you charge people to do the right thing? Why would a store give you free stuff then give you money?Why don't we charge a certain amount of GP to press F11? Clicking F12 or not voting at all is free. -
Kinda funny I managed to p*ss off 2 apes (Chimpzz and BadMonkey) by proving them both incapable of holding a mature debate without resorting to name-calling, circular reasoning, and wall-long quoting without actually reading the stuff they are quoting.
It kinda makes you wonder if these two are either joined at the hip or one and the same person. They sure share the same intolerable personality trades.
I have to say, you're kind of harsh... You might want to change your attitude because afaIk nobody will like you when you keep going on like this... -
while she didnt do anything wrong they get mad and its only those 2 people.....I have to say, you're kind of harsh... You might want to change your attitude because afaIk nobody will like you when you keep going on like this...
besides those 2 people i didnt see anyone get mad at her.
like she said it 'you wonder if these two are either joined at the hip or one and the same person'. -
I have to say, you're kind of harsh... You might want to change your attitude because afaIk nobody will like you when you keep going on like this...I'm not here to be liked. I've been here being me for 3 years, hon. I have people that love me, people that hate me, people that worship me like a goddess, and people that curse my name. And to all of them I have this to say...
...Not a single
@#*!!
was given to either that day. -
most here on the forum liked/loved you because your a girl right? hahahha.I'm not here to be liked. I've been here being me for 3 years, hon. I have people that love me, people that hate me, people that worship me like a goddess, and people that curse my name. And to all of them I have this to say...
...Not a single
@#*!!
was given to either that day.
its funny to see that on the game if someone see there is a girl in the room they all kinda.
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most here on the forum liked/loved you because your a girl right? hahahha.
its funny to see that on the game if someone see there is a girl in the room they all kinda.
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GN: *LoverBoy*
clan: none
rank: captain 5
its white and sticky what are you thinking........
Really nice IGN there man. -
most here on the forum liked/loved you because your a girl right? hahahha.
its funny to see that on the game if someone see there is a girl in the room they all kinda.I would hope there's more to me that the part between my legs that motivates people. Personally I think its my wit. -
Bu11ish brings up a good point. The consequences of getting kicked is one thing about the kick-vote system that DOES leave room for improvement. Right now, being kicked means losing everything, which is hurting the legit players more than it is demoralizing hackers.
Also, its pointless to take away a hacker's score if the main goal is to ban that hacker. So instead they should allow players to keep their score up to the moment they have been kicked. It will soften the blow for legit players being kicked by noobs, and since a hacker is to be reported and banned, he'll lose his good scores in the end anyway.
Another good thing about this idea is that you won't get noobs spamming their request to be kicked anymore when they are doing badly, because their bad score will still count after being kicked. Thus they might as well leave on their own without asking to be kicked.
Adding on this some more, it'd also be easier to identify hackers if you kept your scores if you were kicked. They would have incredibly high KDR for a low rank, and it would be more obvious that he wasn't legit. People who get wrongly kicked would still at least keep their kills, and people wouldn't ask to get kicked for the sake of removing their awful score.
EDIT: Didn't realize Frecklez already pointed on the bad score thing. Aff. -
yeah i hope that to. i dont care what the person is so long they joke and have fun its all fine with me oh and ofcoure that they dont QQ about each death.I would hope there's more to me that the part between my legs that motivates people. Personally I think its my wit. -
I would hope there's more to me that the part between my legs that motivates people. Personally I think its my wit.
Do not over estimate guys. Especially the ones on the internet. I'm a dude and I know that the only thing that motivates us is that first thing you described. True story.
Back on topic, the keep score after getting kicked thing has been suggested before.
A negative point described before is that it would encourage hackers. I said encourage, we will ban them since that is the primary objective, but the motivation of getting stuff may be enticing to get hackers back in, meaning more hackers.
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