The Guide of Flawed Logic
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Very nice thread. Maybe 1 of the best ones I've read. Really. Some great logic here and experience. It be nice if we had more people like this.
Good mention about the camping and all. Camping is a tactic and can be easily shot back by checking spots.
Great Job on it. Respect.
StratZ-
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Again I stress, you keep saying consistently, while I have only said quite well. Here's a video of a WCG match between Hammertime and D0ngJia. They are arguably above average players. Watch the video, count the number of rifle hs and rifle not hs. Then tell me that's not headshotting quite well.
http://v.pptv.com/show/TTNT0TmfD03OZs4.html
I'm a noob and even I can headshot quite well. Your telling me I'm dumb because I believe in something I do every day. Please...
I never said it didn't.
2/5 times you get headshot you weren't aimingfor the head therefore that argument is flawed -
rifles can do everything m12s can do, but betterGodsGunman wrote: »I agree with about 85% of this guide.
The M12s and scar light are indeed overpowered.
The M12s for the reasons VATAV stated.
The scar light because it does more damage than an m4a1, has less recoil, and is still a 1 shot kill weapon.
Technically you're correct, and if you're God at this game you'll do better with a 1 shot headshot gun than an m12s, however nobody that I or you know is God at this game.
You mentioned this:
"Basically what i'm trying to say is, there has never been someone so good/amazing that when they put on SPOP noone else can kill them because their peak time is 0.0001s faster."
However the m12s situation is pretty much the same idea. The chances of someone actually doing better with for example an m4a1 over an m12s due to them being as good or better than humanly possible, is about the same chance of being able to kill someone because their peak time is 0.0001s faster.
Plain and simple, the M12s makes noobs able to get easy kills.
When people that have even a little bit of skill/decency die from an m12ser, it's annoying because without the m12s, they would have had a higher chance to beat them if the person that killed them was using a gun other than the m12s since it's so easy to use.
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You kinda said the peek time difference is of no use
I said that the time difference is of very very limited use. But he never said anything about peak time. He was talking about hitboxes.TTTR_StratZ wrote: »Very nice thread. Maybe 1 of the best ones I've read. Really. Some great logic here and experience. It be nice if we had more people like this.
Good mention about the camping and all. Camping is a tactic and can be easily shot back by checking spots.
Great Job on it. Respect.
StratZ-
(Founder of TripleThreatReviews)
Thanks, it's just basically the stuff that took me a while to figure out and learn, then again I'm still learning. I constantly hunt the forums and watch other players to see if i'm missing subtle tactics.2/5 times you get headshot you weren't aimingfor the head therefore that argument is flawed
Wow..... Someone talk sense into this guy please. He's just watched a video of players in a LAN tournament and thinks that Hammertime and Donjia players only hit the head by accident. Gawd.... -
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TTTR_StratZ wrote: »Yep man, np! Hit me up on youtube sometime. www.youtube.com/triplethreatreviews
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Great thread again
I like how every single post of his is advertisement of his *insert adjective here* youtube channel. -
I said that the time difference is of very very limited use. But he never said anything about peak time. He was talking about hitboxes.
Thanks, it's just basically the stuff that took me a while to figure out and learn, then again I'm still learning. I constantly hunt the forums and watch other players to see if i'm missing subtle tactics.
Wow..... Someone talk sense into this guy please. He's just watched a video of players in a LAN tournament and thinks that Hammertime and Donjia players only hit the head by accident. Gawd....
dude dd you se how Hammertimeis playing? people did not expect good of them , they played shyt , watch videos of cs wcg finals , or bette yet attend a lan youself and then you see what I am talking about. Top Players won't aim for the head 60% of the time -
dude dd you se how Hammertimeis playing? people did not expect good of them , they played shyt , watch videos of cs wcg finals , or bette yet attend a lan youself and then you see what I am talking about. Top Players won't aim for the head 60% of the time
So your saying that they don't aim for the head, it just magically hits them?Look again . I clearly talked bout peak time
Read again. As you can clearly see, I was talking about ImpaIed. Stop being such a ********* -
About the M12 one.
True that someone that is so skilled that they might as well be a aimbot would do better with a 1 hit headshot weapon, but only about 0.1% of players would ever reach that skill level.
M12 requires far less skill and practice to top frag with then most weapons due to having next to no recoil. You simple aim and shoot, nearly all the bullets will go to where your aiming at. Combined with the fast fire rate and moderate damage its a killer combo. Other weapons have recoil and spray patterns that force one to practice and adjust to, M12 does not and thus only requires one to have basic aiming skill to do well with.
Advantages of the M12:
Very Low recoil.
High accuracy.
Tight clustered spray pattern.
Fast firing rate.
Light weight.
Fast reload.
No damage drop off for long range.
High damage compared to the rest of the SMGs.
Edit: answering the question about why people look down when they defuse.
There are other FPS MMO's out there that force one to look at the bomb to defuse, most of the players from those games that moved here are still used to doing that instead.
I realized that when playing this game, I suck with m12. I can almost go negative with it, yet with m4 I go beast. Probably cuz i'm a distant shooter, rather then up close. -
dude dd you se how Hammertimeis playing? people did not expect good of them , they played shyt , watch videos of cs wcg finals , or bette yet attend a lan youself and then you see what I am talking about. Top Players won't aim for the head 60% of the time
you aim for the head with every gun... -
you aim for the head with every gun...So your saying that they don't aim for the head, it just magically hits them?
Read again. As you can clearly see, I was talking about ImpaIed. Stop being such a *********
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40UowuQIlLk&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_JSeHJq9Cw&feature=relmfu
headshots are the spot you should aim in the first place but if you miss just spray him down, OR some players just aim for the chest becouse it takes less time to frag the enemy (aim for the head N miss) again , pls dn't talk about competitive when you know nothing about it -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40UowuQIlLk&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_JSeHJq9Cw&feature=relmfu
headshots are the spot you should aim in the first place but if you miss just spray him down, OR some players just aim for the chest becouse it takes less time to frag the enemy (aim for the head N miss) again , pls dn't talk about competitive when you know nothing about it
Counter Strike has nothing to do with CF.
1) You said, it is impossible to headshot well
2) I show you PROOF in a video that shows people doing it for real AND I tell you THAT I DO IT EVERY DAY
3) You say that that is just luck and that because they are playing sh1t it doesn't matter. EVEN THOUGH THEY MANAGE TO DO THE HEADSHOTS FINE.
4) You then proceed to show me videos of CS which are totally irrelevant.
LET ME SUM UP.
I AIM FOR THE HEAD, I HIT IT, EVERY DAY. I'm Noob. THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD HIT THE HEAD EASILY. GIVE ME PROOF THAT I AM WRONG PLEASE. And No, Counter Strike videos do not count as proof.
If you still don't get it. I suggest you read up on this article.
The backfire Effect -
The fact that i has a smaller makes it an advantage , doesnt matter where you aimCounter Strike has nothing to do with CF.
1) You said, it is impossible to headshot well
2) I show you PROOF in a video that shows people doing it for real AND I tell you THAT I DO IT EVERY DAY
3) You say that that is just luck and that because they are playing sh1t it doesn't matter. EVEN THOUGH THEY MANAGE TO DO THE HEADSHOTS FINE.
4) You then proceed to show me videos of CS which are totally irrelevant.
LET ME SUM UP.
I AIM FOR THE HEAD, I HIT IT, EVERY DAY. I'm Noob. THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD HIT THE HEAD EASILY. GIVE ME PROOF THAT I AM WRONG PLEASE. And No, Counter Strike videos do not count as proof.
If you still don't get it. I suggest you read up on this article.
The backfire Effect -
The fact that i has a smaller makes it an advantage , doesnt matter where you aim
I am unsure as to what your talking about. As you can see, I am trying to convince ExodussPT that it is possible in this game to hit headshots quite well if you are an above average player.
What I believe is, if you are good you can hit around 75% of your rifle kills as headshots, if you have a 1 hit hs gun e.g. M4. I have given proof of this fact in myself (as I can do it) and in a video which is proof that it is possible.
What ExodussPT believes, it is impossible to hit consistent headshots. Completely ignores the proof that I give him, saying that the players are sh1t (Even though they still hit 75% hs), then says that 3/5 of headshots are just lucky, WITH NO PROOF. Then, he goes on to say how he aims (as if that matters) and shows me CS videos because I don't know anything and I am not 'competitive' enough.
Please tell me who is correct. --' -
I am unsure as to what your talking about. As you can see, I am trying to convince ExodussPT that it is possible in this game to hit headshots quite well if you are an above average player.
What I believe is, if you are good you can hit around 75% of your rifle kills as headshots, if you have a 1 hit hs gun e.g. M4. I have given proof of this fact in myself (as I can do it) and in a video which is proof that it is possible.
What ExodussPT believes, it is impossible to hit consistent headshots. Completely ignores the proof that I give him, saying that the players are sh1t (Even though they still hit 75% hs), then says that 3/5 of headshots are just lucky, WITH NO PROOF. Then, he goes on to say how he aims (as if that matters) and shows me CS videos because I don't know anything and I am not 'competitive' enough.
Please tell me who is correct. --'
I would clearly advice you how to read.
Playing on lan's is much much different then playing eagleye pubs like you do , becouse everyone can headshot there , but in a worldwide lan , with over 3000 people watching you will be nervous and your aim will fail you , and if you watch closefully or played at a lan you know that a 4 shot burst in the upper chest will pretty much land a headshot 3/5of the times.
Point being: spop is noob , m12 is op and please don't talk competitive -
Counter Strike has nothing to do with CF.
1) You said, it is impossible to headshot well
2) I show you PROOF in a video that shows people doing it for real AND I tell you THAT I DO IT EVERY DAY
3) You say that that is just luck and that because they are playing sh1t it doesn't matter. EVEN THOUGH THEY MANAGE TO DO THE HEADSHOTS FINE.
4) You then proceed to show me videos of CS which are totally irrelevant.
LET ME SUM UP.
I AIM FOR THE HEAD, I HIT IT, EVERY DAY. I'm Noob. THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD HIT THE HEAD EASILY. GIVE ME PROOF THAT I AM WRONG PLEASE. And No, Counter Strike videos do not count as proof.
If you still don't get it. I suggest you read up on this article.
The backfire Effect
1)I never said that , again LEARN TO READ becouse you say I also didn't talked bout peak time , wich I did (page1-3)
2)That is true
3)Even tough a player's aim is good , they prefere aiming for like a 10 times larger spot(chest) then tking the chance of aiming and missing (the proof is on several counter strike interview , heaton's guide , the first competitive fps playes in the world , lan players) ofc aiming for the head is always better and u should always aim a quick shot for the head first,
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I would clearly advice you how to read.
Playing on lan's is much much different then playing eagleye pubs like you do , becouse everyone can headshot there , but in a worldwide lan , with over 3000 people watching you will be nervous and your aim will fail you , and if you watch closefully or played at a lan you know that a 4 shot burst in the upper chest will pretty much land a headshot 3/5of the times.
Point being: spop is noob , m12 is op and please don't talk competitive
Surely the best players are the ones that can hold their nerve and still aim for the head easily? If they can't do that, why would they be the best players? How much experience do you have of Worldwide lans? How do you know for sure that people aim for the chest in CF? I've looked pretty closely and I totally believe they are aiming for the head, they aren't doing bursts at the chest.1)I never said that , again LEARN TO READ becouse you say I also didn't talked bout peak time , wich I did (page1-3)
2)That is true
3)Even tough a player's aim is good , they prefere aiming for like a 10 times larger spot(chest) then tking the chance of aiming and missing (the proof is on several counter strike interview , heaton's guide , the first competitive fps playes in the world , lan players) ofc aiming for the head is always better and u should always aim a quick shot for the head first,
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1) I will say this 1 last time. You learn to read, I was NOT talking about you, I was talking to impaled. Not you. I know YOU talk about peak time, Impaled did not.
3) I won't pretend to know anything about CS, but I'm pretty sure the mechanics of this game are different. What may be true in CS may not be true in CF. -
Surely the best players are the ones that can hold their nerve and still aim for the head easily? If they can't do that, why would they be the best players? How much experience do you have of Worldwide lans? How do you know for sure that people aim for the chest in CF? I've looked pretty closely and I totally believe they are aiming for the head, they aren't doing bursts at the chest.
1) I will say this 1 last time. You learn to read, I was NOT talking about you, I was talking to impaled. Not you. I know YOU talk about peak time, Impaled did not.
3) I won't pretend to know anything about CS, but I'm pretty sure the mechanics of this game are different. What may be true in CS may not be true in CF.
that you MIGHT be right
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