[DISCUSSION]What is justified?
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[MOD]Polleus wrote: »
When a player is detected of using cheats should it be a hard-line, no mercy permanent ban? Why or why not? Is it justified to ban someone permanently given the circumstances how quickly the gaming world changes over time? How about a 2 strikes and you're out policy? On first detection you receive a 1 year ban and then on a second detection you are banned permanently?
Have to agree. i guess when it comes to bans a 3 stick system or ban for the season.. something all long that line. -
PPS: Oh, why would you care Rust. Aren't you like the worst euro in this game?
The funny thing is i don't even know you, yet you recently have this animosity towards me. Unless of course you were one of the sh1tties I ripped in several eu pugs under a different name back in the day and all of a sudden you're ready to take me on while i don't play the game. you're one tough cookie
Get off the only euro i have ever agreed with.
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[MOD]Polleus wrote: »While you have a point that hacking is indeed bad, why should an organization have ANY jurisdiction outside of one of their supported titles? If an organization were to support only Cross Fire, why would it even matter if they have Runescape cheats or Maplestory cheats? How would the organization have ANY authority to ban them for "hacking" when in fact they weren't really cheating?
Again, my point still stands. Until an organization comes out with a real-time anti-cheat to prove REAL-TIME cheating, this issue will always be the case and thus an organization should only enforce ban penalties if the cheats found were for that supported title.
Why?
Why should the US government care about muderers from over seas? Oh thats chill to let them stay cus they arent under direct jurisdiction.
And it comes down to this, if you are a proffessional, you shouldnt have to be cheating in the first place and in any game. -
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If it was in a match during league, then permanent ban. Dont ever come back, sorry about your luck. Some thing should be done for the whole team as well. More than a dq for the match. It would make them choose wisely on members, but the ones that know theres a cheat on their team shouldnt be let to play either. Although its nearly impossible to prove the teams know that a person is cheating, they usually admit it publicly somewhere.
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i've played in 2 matches and did well. I also pugged back when wogl came out. matches are basically scrims so i don't see what's the big commotion.
PPS: Oh, why would you care Rust. Aren't you like the worst euro in this game?
The funny thing is i don't even know you, yet you recently have this animosity towards me. Unless of course you were one of the sh1tties I ripped in several eu pugs under a different name back in the day and all of a sudden you're ready to take me on while i don't play the game. you're one tough cookie
Matches are nothing near the same as scrims. In scrims any team I've been in just messes about, doesnt use strats or calls and just has some fun.
PPS: Why would you call me the worst when you don't even know me. I don't claim to be amazing but I only do shiit when I have 300ping. Considering I barely play but when i do - i play with 20fps, the worst mouse going and of course my usual 300ping, I don't think I do too bad.
PPPS: I always thought you were an idiot 80% of the time I just didn't bother saying anything. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Why?
Why should the US government care about muderers from over seas? Oh thats chill to let them stay cus they arent under direct jurisdiction.
And it comes down to this, if you are a proffessional, you shouldnt have to be cheating in the first place and in any game.
You comparing this to real life is insanely funny. It's a video game, people want to have fun sometimes. Shiit happens.
You're telling me you've NEVER cheated in ANY game EVER? You're a liar. -
Matches are nothing near the same as scrims. In scrims any team I've been in just messes about, doesnt use strats or calls and just has some fun.
PPS: Why would you call me the worst when you don't even know me. I don't claim to be amazing but I only do shiit when I have 300ping. Considering I barely play but when i do - i play with 20fps, the worst mouse going and of course my usual 300ping, I don't think I do too bad.
PPPS: I always thought you were an idiot 80% of the time I just didn't bother saying anything.
first off the eu community is a joke. ROC is the only "good" team or at least was the last time i used to play this game. w/e you said in the PPS section i've heard about as many times as i've sh1t on euros in their own pugs. matches are just like scrims for me cause when i used to play i was just that good and confident. out of maybe a dozen wogl pugs there were probably 2 or so that i didn't completely humiliate the other team.
an idiot in terms of what? i'm not going to start bragging or anything but i assure you that i am a lot better off than the average joe irl. I could care less about who you are so don't even bother telling me your potato-picking anecdotes. -
Rust and MyAWM, I will be more than happy to have you two come on my mumble and settle this, however do not reduce this thread to nothing more than "who thinks who the bigger idiot is" or "who's e-peen is bigger". I respectfully ask that if this is the only thing that you two have to argue about, please leave the thread. Anymore of this and I will act accordingly. Thank you.
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No bother buddie. My work here is done. Bringing someones culture into something is irrevalant and unneccessary as there is somewhere, in every persons country something to mock about. Hopefully MyAwm can wake up and smell the roses, we've heard all of this before somewhere in those 10k or so posts. Carry on boys.
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[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Rust and MyAWM, I will be more than happy to have you two come on my mumble and settle this, however do not reduce this thread to nothing more than "who thinks who the bigger idiot is" or "who's e-peen is bigger". I respectfully ask that if this is the only thing that you two have to argue about, please leave the thread. Anymore of this and I will act accordingly. Thank you.
sir yes sir...
anyway discussing this won't change a thing. Just like posting anything into the suggestion forum won't change the updates this game has in store for everyone. wogl won't just unban everyone and i don't even know if esl has a ban list; does it? lol -
This thread wasn't meant to rally for someone's ban to be reversed. The whole point of the thread was to simply discuss the opinions on how a cheater should or shouldn't be handled. Let's keep it that way shall we? This isn't a personal lobby to have people unbanned, I'm simply questioning how people view the subject. I don't think that's out of my rights to do.
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[MOD]Iceman wrote: »Yes there is a ban list, it just got moved when they followed the EU format.
ah cool. i just haven't heard of anyone being banned from esl so i was wondering. The only person that comes to my head is kc and he was back the week after his ban so ya...
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RawrJafrikan wrote: »have had* or in*
I forgot that one grammatical error results in the destruction of my whole argument.
So Denxi, what is your opinion on this matter?
I'm not talking about your grammar, grammar is irrelevant to logic and I am one of the biggest advocators of that fact.
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26. to be required, compelled, or under obligation (followed by infinitival to, with or without a main verb): I have to leave now. I didn't want to study, but I had to.
Whos says someone cheating in another game "has" to do it? (I'm assuming you mean that they "have" to in order to play well.
I've known great players without cheats. Then the started to cheat because they thought it was hilarious to zoom around the map at 10 billion miles an hour. If I think it's hilarious to do [insert crazy thing you can do here] in MapleStory, and so I cheat to do that hilarious thing, why should a completely different environment punish me for it, when it is not affected by it whatsoever?
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saucedabest wrote: »You comparing this to real life is insanely funny. It's a video game, people want to have fun sometimes. Shiit happens.
You're telling me you've NEVER cheated in ANY game EVER? You're a liar.
I've never *hacked in any game ever.
Can't say the same for cheating. (WOGL DRAFT ANYONE?) -
saucedabest wrote: »You comparing this to real life is insanely funny. It's a video game, people want to have fun sometimes. Shiit happens.
You're telling me you've NEVER cheated in ANY game EVER? You're a liar.
I've used cheatengine on dolphin olympics to beat my friend's high score.
I've used cheatengine in learn to fly to get all upgrades.
I've used autocl1cker in MapleStory to get in PQ faster.
I've asked multiple friends to help me on "potato counter" on neopets.
I've shared account on runescape to reach 99 woodcutting.
I've cheated. -
taeyeoNNNNNN wrote: »I've used cheatengine on dolphin olympics to beat my friend's high score.
I've used cheatengine in learn to fly to get all upgrades.
I've used autocl1cker in MapleStory to get in PQ faster.
I've asked multiple friends to help me on "potato counter" on neopets.
I've shared account on runescape to reach 99 woodcutting.
I've cheated.
about 5-6 years ago i botted to 99 range,99 fishing, 99 woodcutting, 70 def, 94 mage and a lot of other sh1t. basically let it run overnight on a daily basis. then i sold it and like a month later i look it up on high score and it's nowhere to be found. whoever i sold it to got it banned lol.
i've aimbotted in wolfenstein enemy territory when i was like 12 or 13.
i cheated on your mom
and who hasn't used gameshark/cheats for console games
it's also not nice to quote me and then change it to sauce. where are your manners -
i've played in 2 matches and did well. I also pugged back when wogl came out. matches are basically scrims so i don't see what's the big commotion.
PPS: Oh, why would you care Rust. Aren't you like the worst euro in this game?
The funny thing is i don't even know you, yet you recently have this animosity towards me. Unless of course you were one of the sh1tties I ripped in several eu pugs under a different name back in the day and all of a sudden you're ready to take me on while i don't play the game. you're one tough cookie
yes he is the worst eu in this game -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Why?
Why should the US government care about muderers from over seas? Oh thats chill to let them stay cus they arent under direct jurisdiction.
And it comes down to this, if you are a proffessional, you shouldnt have to be cheating in the first place and in any game.
For one, you are using a real life example in which does not apply for this case. Murder =/= using a cheat in a video game. Two totally different situations.
Why do we as an organization say for Cross Fire have a right to tell someone who has used cheats in Runescape or Maplestory that they can't play in our Cross Fire events? Cross Fire =/= Runescape or Maplestory. Cross Fire =/= Anything but Cross Fire. As a private organization, we have rule over those who play in OUR events and OUR supported titles. Period. Anything outside of that and what you do on your own time, is your own business. Period. That's how it should be.
That's like ESEA telling people who have used cheats in Cross Fire that they can't play on ESEA servers because they've been found to cheat in Cross Fire. What does ESEA care? That's not their business. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Why do we as an organization say for Cross Fire have a right to tell someone who has used cheats in Runescape or Maplestory that they can't play in our Cross Fire events? Cross Fire =/= Runescape or Maplestory. Cross Fire =/= Anything but Cross Fire. As a private organization, we have rule over those who play in OUR events and OUR supported titles. Period. Anything outside of that and what you do on your own time, is your own business. Period. That's how it should be.
That's like ESEA telling people who have used cheats in Cross Fire that they can't play on ESEA servers because they've been found to cheat in Cross Fire. What does ESEA care? That's not their business.
Leagues can do whatever they want. You don't need justification for anything. It's your service you decide who gets to play and who doesn't. If you don't want people with any type of hacks involved in your league, you can punish all violations. Sorry Polleus, but you are clearly missing the point. Especially considering you answered your own question in the post.
If you want to hack in maple story, and you are using a detectable injector. Expect that you could be banned from a league. You decided you wanted to cheat on your own time.
Everyone knew the rules since before Season 1. The fact that people ignored them to me says they don't need to be playing leagues. -
In my opinion, some cheat-related items can easily be transferable between games. For example, Cheat Engine can be used in multiple games, and within these games could be RPG games, FPS games, or any other genre of games available. Those are the third party programs which should be detected, and should be taken very seriously.
Cheats from another game should obviously be reprimanded, but that's not the league's job to an extent. The league chooses whether to view cheating in another game an offense or not. Simply put, if the cheats are from a known cheating website which supply Cross Fire cheats, and the player obviously plays Cross Fire, what's stopping said cheater from hopping over and downloading one of those cheats? Though it's not related to the game, it could pose a problem. I personally would blackmark said suspicious player, and monitor anti-cheat files to make sure no Cross Fire cheats were downloaded.
Cheat Engine, for example, can be used in different games, which is indeed a bannable offense. There's no proof that you were using Cheat Engine for only one game.
At the end of the day, the league has full power in the decision of whether a player will be blocked from league play or not. Also, they reserve total power in the league. If you don't like the way the league operates in terms of banning and blocking players, that's your personal opinion. One opinion doesn't necessarily always represent the opinion of a whole population. Consensus is generally very hard to reach.
Just throwing in two pennies for you guys.
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Thank you. 
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