Incompetence or just stupidity?
This isn't a thread about a thread, and so it cannot be closed on those grounds; neither is it a thread insulting or calling out a specific person, so it cannot be closed on those grounds. Please don't close just because you don't like/understand it. Note for the weirdos: The title is referring to the system as a whole, not to an individual person, so don't take it as such.
Why is it that people are allowed to get away with insulting something personal, such as looks, on any typical member of the community, and yet when the topic of the divorce of a prominent community figure is brought up, it becomes modded almost immediately? Although I don't agree with any personal attacks of any subject, the system seems skewed. I have read claims that "mods can't see everything." Considering that all a MOD needs to do is read a thread to see if there's anything wrong with it, one has to wonder;
Why is it that the section of the forum which contains the largest amount of ego is modded so infrequently? Countless insults are bandied back an forth, but it seems that moderation is more aimed towards the other areas. I willl admit that OT contains the most ignorance and stupidity, but even sections like the Barracks seem to have more moderation than Competitive.
If this ISN'T the case, then you are just under-staffed and need to take on more moderators, otherwise you're purpose is pretty much redundant with the system you have now.
Or am I wrong on both counts, and you're just telling me that a small personal attack is ok, but a large scale one isn't? If that's the case, where is the line drawn? I don't recal any rule section telling me that it's ok to make fun of someone for having bad hair, but that it's not ok to make fun of someone for having cancer.
Hell, why is ANY personal insult being tolerated in the first place?
Why is it that people are allowed to get away with insulting something personal, such as looks, on any typical member of the community, and yet when the topic of the divorce of a prominent community figure is brought up, it becomes modded almost immediately? Although I don't agree with any personal attacks of any subject, the system seems skewed. I have read claims that "mods can't see everything." Considering that all a MOD needs to do is read a thread to see if there's anything wrong with it, one has to wonder;
Why is it that the section of the forum which contains the largest amount of ego is modded so infrequently? Countless insults are bandied back an forth, but it seems that moderation is more aimed towards the other areas. I willl admit that OT contains the most ignorance and stupidity, but even sections like the Barracks seem to have more moderation than Competitive.
If this ISN'T the case, then you are just under-staffed and need to take on more moderators, otherwise you're purpose is pretty much redundant with the system you have now.
Or am I wrong on both counts, and you're just telling me that a small personal attack is ok, but a large scale one isn't? If that's the case, where is the line drawn? I don't recal any rule section telling me that it's ok to make fun of someone for having bad hair, but that it's not ok to make fun of someone for having cancer.
Hell, why is ANY personal insult being tolerated in the first place?
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TASTELIMES wrote: »Who are you again? And how's CEVO P?
I really would like to know how old you are, and how much you go outside. I feel like your 16 and a troll that sits on the forums all day's taking stabs at people because your mother doesnt love you. -
apparently every mod uses their own discretion to closing/moderating threads rather than strictly by the code and/or rules. There are mods here that will throw an insult in at the very end of a thread and close it, just to get the 'last word' in like some sort of shutdown and we just have to accept it and move on.
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DoZenDoNutz wrote: »apparently every mod uses their own discretion to closing/moderating threads rather than strictly by the code and/or rules. There are mods here that will throw an insult in at the very end of a thread and close it, just to get the 'last word' in like some sort of shutdown and we just have to accept it and move on.
+1.ye like dot does.useless garbage -
prominent community figure
1) a small personal attack is ok, but a large scale one isn't?
2) If that's the case, where is the line drawn?
3) Hell, why is ANY personal insult being tolerated in the first place?
1) two non "prominent community" figures attacking each other is different than 2 commonly recognized names
2) the line is drawn by the MOD which is viewing a thread, it's completely at their discretion.
3) to much of a hassle for the mods to 100% enforce the rules, and if they did people would make even more threads calling out MODs as "unjust". by putting forth minimal effort, they hold the favor of the community. -
+1.ye like dot does.useless garbageBulletJunkie wrote: »Pretty much most of the mods are biased in their discretion which is very unprofessional, but what else can you get when a bunch of 16 year old nerd v1rgins apply for a mod or are selected because of the butt kissing.
i'd try formulating that differently
could save you some infraction points -
1) two non "prominent community" figures attacking each other is different than 2 commonly recognized names
2) the line is drawn by the MOD which is viewing a thread, it's completely at their discretion.
3) to much of a hassle for the mods to 100% enforce the rules, and if they did people would make even more threads calling out MODs as "unjust". by putting forth minimal effort, they hold the favor of the community.
1) I know it is, but it shouldn't be. I wonder what the situation would be if Tasty got divorce (yea cause he's married) and someone made fun of him for it.
2/3) Both point to the ridiculousness of this system, which is ok with me. -
TASTELIMES wrote: »Who cares.1) I know it is, but it shouldn't be. I wonder what the situation would be if Tasty got divorce (yea cause he's married) and someone made fun of him for it.
2/3) Both point to the ridiculousness of this system, which is ok with me.
about that line
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TASTELIMES wrote: »Why are you in this thread? If you aren't going to contribute, get the **** out. I don't blame you tho, 12 year olds have a very hard time comprehending anything that's said on any thread. Honestly, you're just another toy for me to troll, I suggest you stop posting on these forums like you did before.
the only thing i don't get is why you are still here
reasons are obvious... -
I think it should be on the MOD's discretion tbh.
I think that bringing someones personal life is pathethic, I can get over calling someone fugly,fat etc but talking about someone's divorce is lousy.
And obviously, if it's about/between teams I think that should be allowed. Rivarly is natural....... -
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TASTELIMES wrote: »The problem is, decisions are being made by little teenagers.
I'm 24 years old. I wouldn't classify that as a teenager.
Denxi:
I will be MORE than happy to moderate every little insult that happens on the forums. You know I would. But where is the line drawn? I made a judgement call (clearly not right in everyone's eyes) that attacking someone's personal life as sensitive as a divorce? YOU may not view a divorce as being that bad, but maybe the other person does.
Trash talking is trash talking. It's going to happen, I agree. You call someone ugly, they call you stupid. That's juvenile. But attacking someone's personal relationship that they had and then making fun of the fact that it ended in divorce? On a public gaming forum? Come on.
Do I agree that the sections should be equally moderated? Of course. Do we have enough Moderators to handle this community? Yes. I don't believe the problem is in the amount of Moderators we have. It's in the fact of making that judgement of where the line is. If we DID crack down on every single little insult, we might as well pack up and go home. Everyone will hate us only that much more. So, in the best interests of the community, some things are left open.
What JShaw165 said about Bobby's personal life? He damn well knew what he was doing in trying to cause problems. Don't sit there and say he didn't. That personal attack was not located in an argument, JShaw165 created the thread to make fun of / attack Bobby and his personal life. That's not necessary, plain and simple. I ALWAYS try and delete threads that are directed at a single person, especially intended to cause trouble. But again, I can't be here all the time. Criticize me for my decision if you will, but what he did was not necessary. Call me hypocritical? Fine. Every insult thread and post I find from now on, WILL be infracted and enforced. Hope everyone is ready. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I'm 24 years old. I wouldn't classify that as a teenager.
Denxi:
I will be MORE than happy to moderate every little insult that happens on the forums. You know I would. But where is the line drawn? I made a judgement call (clearly not right in everyone's eyes) that attacking someone's personal life as sensitive as a divorce? YOU may not view a divorce as being that bad, but maybe the other person does.
Trash talking is trash talking. It's going to happen, I agree. You call someone ugly, they call you stupid. That's juvenile. But attacking someone's personal relationship that they had and then making fun of the fact that it ended in divorce? On a public gaming forum? Come on.
Do I agree that the sections should be equally moderated? Of course. Do we have enough Moderators to handle this community? Yes. I don't believe the problem is in the amount of Moderators we have. It's in the fact of making that judgement of where the line is. If we DID crack down on every single little insult, we might as well pack up and go home. Everyone will hate us only that much more. So, in the best interests of the community, some things are left open.
What JShaw165 said about Bobby's personal life? He damn well knew what he was doing in trying to cause problems. Don't sit there and say he didn't. That personal attack was not located in an argument, JShaw165 created the thread to make fun of / attack Bobby and his personal life. That's not necessary, plain and simple. I ALWAYS try and delete threads that are directed at a single person, especially intended to cause trouble. But again, I can't be here all the time. Criticize me for my decision if you will, but what he did was not necessary. Call me hypocritical? Fine. Every insult thread and post I find from now on, WILL be infracted and enforced. Hope everyone is ready.
Please re-read my post. I do not condone ANY insult in regards to ANY other topic than CF skill. I do not support JShaw's descision IN THE SLIGHTEST. Your descision was 100% the correct one.
Re-post after you've re-read with this in mind.
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