Canada vs United States
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Sexcludable wrote: »US mililtary has been living off a blank check after 9/11
#iraq war
i wants one... HEY weren't the UK involved there too? wheres our blank check? i mean i know we were bush's bitc.h for a little while but the only gratitude we got were some bodybags with british troops and american bullets in them >.< -
i wants one... HEY weren't the UK involved there too? wheres our blank check? i mean i know we were bush's bitc.h for a little while but the only gratitude we got were some bodybags with british troops and american bullets in them >.<
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Excludable wrote: »World War 1
World War 2
Industrial Revolution
Democracy
Shall I continue?
have EDITED my statement because forgot IE don't got spell check
actually industrial revolution was in Europe to begin with... and the leaders there were Great Britain at first then overtaken by Germany (actually Prussia... and the other German States... but they were unified at like the same time too... 1848... w.e)
Democracy... lol USA is a Democratic Republic.... True Democracy hasn't existed since Ancient Greece, even then...Excludable wrote: »Of course we don't like to pay taxes.
The American Revolution, was equally a Civil War/Internal Revolution with the war vs British.
The Aristocrats stayed in power, and guess who didn't tax the wealthy?
Actually we didn't mind the taxing... it was that we weren't REPRESENTED in their Legislature... to have a say in which taxes should have been applicable to the Colonies... with respect to those 13 colonies "across the pond"...
The American Revolution was a SINGLE event, with political and militaristic operations... The Civil War did not concern taxes, it was about:
Power in Congress, which was held by the South, but subjugated to vetoes by a Northern President
AND
The question of slavery... constitutionally, socially, and economically, (yes economics were very much connected to slavery)
Industrial Revolution was more similar to the Enlightenment or the Renaissance, to which we had boom in technology, industry (duh), and the introduction of monopolies (at least in the Second Industrial Revolution)
so....
what was the question?
USA vs Canada?
USA was a powerful leader from 1880's onwards...
don't know much about Canada though... sorry -
Yes.. I'm not saying that America is THE democracy, but we have a system closer to that perfection than most countries...
I think we are like the only country (originally) that has a Legislature with 2 parties, and that there is intense scrutiny with regulation (filibusters, super-majorities etc.)
Most Legislature's, when a party wins... they win the whole house... followed by that they choose who is the next President/PM...
US has 2 different elections, one for Congress, and one for President.
I'm only talking about the Federal level here too...
Most countries don't even have elections like US does for State positions and Local Counties and Municipalities.
EDIT:yeah and look who still doesnt tax the wealthy ^^ the american government of today
no one likes taxes, but they are the reason why the UK had the first national health service, probably one of the best things ever.
and yep im a brit.
ummm but we have a representation... to which the people can vote out of office if the power was abused.. -
United states wouldn't be in good shape without Canada's cheap resources going to the states... hmm... And who let United states put in missles (for some period of time) pointing to the USSR in the cold war? and a nice place to set up early russian attack systems like NORAD? hmm...
and another note, WWII wouldve been avoided or lessened if United states didn't join the final moments of WWI, honestly, because the US was in the Triple Entente, the Entente could do anything extreme to the Triple alliance. Had US not joined in the war, both sides would (hopefully) come to a standstill and hold fair agreement terms because both sides are evenly matched.
And really i couldnt care less who is better. Well i like Canada because its my home and not as Obese and debt heavy as the states.
also food for thought:
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/14/third-world-america/
http://www.energybulletin.net/51513
Dont you wish it was 1920s? -
I love the USA, deeply patriotic, and home born here. But does that mean I support all our actions? No. Sometimes, you NEED to change.
There might be a one way road ahead of you, but some idiot always comes down the wrong way, crashing into you.
i feel the same way... at least for the patriotic part...
and I have experienced that 2nd part in real life... no joke... and i was on the receiving end tooUnited states wouldn't be in good shape without Canada's cheap resources going to the states... hmm... And who let United states put in missles (for some period of time) pointing to the USSR in the cold war? and a nice place to set up early russian attack systems like NORAD? hmm...
and another note, WWII wouldve been avoided or lessened if United states didn't join the final moments of WWI, honestly, because the US was in the Triple Entente, the Entente could do anything extreme to the Triple alliance. Had US not joined in the war, both sides would (hopefully) come to a standstill and hold fair agreement terms because both sides are evenly matched.
And really i couldnt care less who is better. Well i like Canada because its my home and not as Obese and debt heavy as the states.
also food for thought:
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/14/third-world-america/
http://www.energybulletin.net/51513
Dont you wish it was 1920s?
first off.. no i don't wish it was the 1920's, that was a time of fake growth... We were deep in deficits from a Great War and had no Global Economy to take loans from...
and the talk of US entering WW2 was NOT because we got involved with WW1, it was because the Japanese bombed a little naval base called Pearl Harbor...
Furthermore, US HAD to get involved in WW1 for their own INTERESTS, we had no real diplomatic relations with the Germans (besides them giving us all their emmigrants) and our traditional allies (UK, France) were in deep sh*t, it wasn't a standstill... it was trench warfare, completely different...
and the trench warfare came about because of the causes of WW1 (secret alliances, troop movements, failing Diplomacy, blah blah blah
another EDIT:Excludable wrote: »Japan WOULDN'T negotiate.
yes we did negotiate:Sexcludable wrote: »how do you know?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan
yea its Wikipedia... but I've checked out the sources, and they fall in line...
the point is... we issued the Potsdam Declaration, calling for the unconditional surrender of Japan...
We used the atomic weapons, not only to demonstrate our capability to become the first nuclear power, but also to decrease potential Allied casualties if we had chosen to invade the Home Islands...
and though the bombings were very persuasive, it was the Soviets and their potential invasion of Manchuria that also led to the Japanese surrender:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchurian_Strategic_Offensive_Operation
yea IDC ITS WIKIPEDIA IDC
IMPORTANT EDIT:Excludable wrote: »
FORGET WHAT I SAID... I LOVE YOU fuztec... i want historical babies with you -
Excludable wrote: »I know what you mean Bloody,
but my thesis is,
Canada wouldn't be Canada, without the United States.
And the United States wouldn't be the United States without England. Or Ireland. Or every other nation that came before it depositing people to take over land originally populated by the natives. Yes, the United States revolted and eventually won freedom of land and the right to govern themselves. But the population of people still "immigrated".
People were coming across the Ocean to go to both what would end up being both Canada and the USA.
If you want to use the thesis and talk about economic structure and Canada's dependence on the states then that is perfectly fine. There is a lot to be said for what the USA does for Canada and vice versa. Plenty for masters thesis from both angles. But then you're facts about Napoleon and various other "revolutionary histories" are irrelevant. Because neither countries were that far along in development to talk about the Louisiana Purchase as being a fact to support your case.
I'm not sure I understand the logic in this original thesis. Other than to troll the pride of one nation and pit it against the pride of another nation. -
[gm]saidin wrote: »and the united states wouldn't be the united states without england. Or ireland. Or every other nation that came before it depositing people to take over land originally populated by the natives. Yes, the united states revolted and eventually won freedom of land and the right to govern themselves. But the population of people still "immigrated".
People were coming across the ocean to go to both what would end up being both canada and the usa.
If you want to use the thesis and talk about economic structure and canada's dependence on the states then that is perfectly fine. There is a lot to be said for what the usa does for canada and vice versa. Plenty for masters thesis from both angles. But then you're facts about napoleon and various other "revolutionary histories" are irrelevant. Because neither countries were that far along in development to talk about the louisiana purchase as being a fact to support your case.
I'm not sure i understand the logic in this original thesis. Other than to troll the pride of one nation and pit it against the pride of another nation.
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »And the United States wouldn't be the United States without England. Or Ireland. Or every other nation that came before it depositing people to take over land originally populated by the natives. Yes, the United States revolted and eventually won freedom of land and the right to govern themselves. But the population of people still "immigrated".
People were coming across the Ocean to go to both what would end up being both Canada and the USA.
If you want to use the thesis and talk about economic structure and Canada's dependence on the states then that is perfectly fine. There is a lot to be said for what the USA does for Canada and vice versa. Plenty for masters thesis from both angles. But then you're facts about Napoleon and various other "revolutionary histories" are irrelevant. Because neither countries were that far along in development to talk about the Louisiana Purchase as being a fact to support your case.
I'm not sure I understand the logic in this original thesis. Other than to troll the pride of one nation and pit it against the pride of another nation.
well said sir... until you said troll...
Is it safe to sum up what you said, at least the first part, as:
Canada need USA, as USA needed Canada (WAR OF 1812 FTW) -
and the talk of US entering WW2 was NOT because we got involved with WW1, it was because the Japanese bombed a little naval base called Pearl Harbor...
Furthermore, US HAD to get involved in WW1 for their own INTERESTS, we had no real diplomatic relations with the Germans (besides them giving us all their emmigrants) and our traditional allies (UK, France) were in deep sh*t, it wasn't a standstill... it was trench warfare, completely different...
and the trench warfare came about because of the causes of WW1 (secret alliances, troop movements, failing Diplomacy, blah blah blah
Ah, but if im aware, US joined the war of WWI because an ocean liner containing american citizens was sunk by german U-Boats. I know that America joined WWII because of pearl harbor. BUT it could've been abated slightly in size had America not joined WWI because of the RIDICULOUS demands that the Triple Entente made because Muscle America was behind them. And force the Triple Alliance (germany, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman empire) to sit on the sides and watched the Treaty of Versailles demand Ridiculous terms for Germany (mainly) and others to pay. And that lead to a economic collapse in Germany, and the Nazi party wouldn't been as powerful.
Plus Woodrow Wilson; President of America suggested the League of Nations, earliest form of the UN. Fantastic idea! However, all it could do is place Economic sanctions, which is awful for any country, but the catch is. America DIDNT join, and that meant that the country in saction could still trade with the economic powerhous America, no loss there.
Now, id love to go into a debate of large proportions, but im afraid of getting banned or infracted because of political debates.... So ill lower my voice here. And now, it doesnt matter, Canada needs the states and the states need Canada. After all we are neighbors. -
Now, id love to go into a debate of large proportions, but im afraid of getting banned or infracted because of political debates.... So ill lower my voice here. And now, it doesnt matter, Canada needs the states and the states need Canada. After all we are neighbors.
As a quick sidetrack here. While I appreciate your respect for the subject matter and your desire not to get infracted. If you keep the discussion to a civil level then there should be no reason you can't express your political opinion.
The problem is it can easily get out of hand. And when you say "I support this." And then someone else says "you **** *** ***** **** ** and *** *** your *** ** ** go to *** ** **" then we have to shut things down. And that goes for the response back to said insults as well.
It is possible to have a decent debate. But if both parties don't want to participate we have to shut the whole operation down. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »As a quick sidetrack here. While I appreciate your respect for the subject matter and your desire not to get infracted. If you keep the discussion to a civil level then there should be no reason to express your political opinion.
It is possible to have a decent debate. But if both parties don't want to participate we have to shut the whole operation down.
Ah, i see. Thank you for the information. I understand (too well) that subjects like these can become quite aggressive and hate-filled. I will continue to respect the regulations set in this forum.
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