Bunnyhop timing.
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@ Buck: They are still unsure whether they will patch it or not. Saidin has said it adds an interesting element to the game mode. Also, its been around forever in all modes. To patch in just ours would be unfair, but I seriously doubt they'll patch in any other mode as it is an integral part of ghost mode over there. Besides whats the problem? It makes the game challenging or at least somewhat instead of gr going 13-0 every round which is what would happen without it.
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Yes i can do it forwards and backwards max speed without running but with a little action that will make you visible in the first stopdellllllllz wrote: »About the thread - can someone tell me if it's still possible to IJ WITHOUT a RUNNING start?
FelipeChang wrote: »u guys know what i actually played 3 games practicin every round.. and now i discover that you can jump backwards too.. the timming is a bit difference but you still can!
I think they switched the backward/forwards mechanism
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BuckFutterr wrote: »I am THE BuckFutter. And Bunny Hopping IS a bug. It's not intended. When ghosts move they are supposed to show. When they stop they are supposed to be invisible and they are breathing aloud.
Just because you CAN BH (think about it, you have to go through a process) crouch jump and get the timing right and move. That's NOT intended to be in the game.
If wasn't intended to be in the game, it wouldn't be here.BuckFutterr wrote: »You CAN get into walls as well. Is THAT intended to be in the game too?
NO. And that's why you can get banned for doing it on purpose.BuckFutterr wrote: »When you bunny hop you can't he heard moving or breathing. 2 things that tell you that you are exploiting the system.
LOL! Are you serious? Please play GM more often!BuckFutterr wrote: »Now, I'm NOT going to debate this with you. I'm sure you will say anything you can to try and justify why using a bug is ok, game balance (ya right) because it's there, or what ever silly little thing you are going to say.
Bottom line is that Bunny Hopping is "manipulating game mechanics to benefit YOUR game play." (That's the definition of an exploit by the way.)
So your idea is to remove bh/ij. That idea is plain stupid, if that gets implemented the BL team will have no chance against GR players that know how to pinpoint. Simple as that.
BuckFutterr wrote: »It's ok, you will see when they finally get around to patching it.
Ha! Keep dreaming buddy! -
Sp4wn. You have NO IDEA who I am. Play GR more often... THAT is FUNNY!
You think your only chance in bl is to exploit the system? Then you really suk at the game. I do fine at bl, Scared of pinpointers? Don't camp.
As for your little comment about "if it wasn't supposed to be in the game it wouldn't".
The wall glitching, and under map glitching is in the game. Is it intended to be there?
Again, You will justify it many ways, "bl wouldnt have a chance" bla bla bla.
Fact of the matter is that it's a BUG and was not intended as part of game play. Just because YOU are not able to play without using the bug. It don't mean it's intended.
Remember, Even when you hit f1 it says, BL are invisible when not moving and visible when moving. it does not say, If you crouch and jump then move you won't be seen because ITS NOT INTENDED AS GAME PLAY. You children just do it and try to justify it.
Don't get me wrong, It don't bother me at all. It makes the game mor of a challenge.
I just think it's funny how people try to say that it's intended because it's in the game when it REALY is a BUG. -
BuckFutterr wrote: »Sp4wn. You have NO IDEA who I am. Play GR more often... THAT is FUNNY!
You think your only chance in bl is to exploit the system? Then you really suk at the game. I do fine at bl, Scared of pinpointers? Don't camp.
As for your little comment about "if it wasn't supposed to be in the game it wouldn't".
The wall glitching, and under map glitching is in the game. Is it intended to be there?
Again, You will justify it many ways, "bl wouldnt have a chance" bla bla bla.
Fact of the matter is that it's a BUG and was not intended as part of game play. Just because YOU are not able to play without using the bug. It don't mean it's intended.
Remember, Even when you hit f1 it says, BL are invisible when not moving and visible when moving. it does not say, If you crouch and jump then move you won't be seen because ITS NOT INTENDED AS GAME PLAY. You children just do it and try to justify it.
Don't get me wrong, It don't bother me at all. It makes the game mor of a challenge.
I just think it's funny how people try to say that it's intended because it's in the game when it REALY is a BUG.
Oh so you play GR more often? That explains a lot. But it doesn't explain how you can't hear ghosts' breathing when they are BHing and I can, now that's funny!
And I already answered your question about glitches in my last post, I don't have to post it again.
Almost 1 year (or over 1 year) already passed, I doubt bh/ij will get removed. You can say whatever you want, but the [GM]s have the last word. And from what I've seen so far from their posts, the removal of the "Bug" is very unlikely. -
BuckFutterr wrote: »Fact of the matter is that it's a BUG and was not intended as part of game play. Just because YOU are not able to play without using the bug. It don't mean it's intended.
Tell that to GM saidin
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=11272&page=2[GM]Saidin wrote: »Its essentially a game mechanic that, for the the moment, nothing can be done about. So it's not considered abuse or a hack. However, it's also not that terrible of an issue as well since it does bring an element of skill and strategy to the mode overall. -
LOL you even secure my statement.
"A game mechanic that, for the moment, nothing can be done about."
That ONE sentence alone tells you that it's a bug. They just don't see it as game breaking so they are not on the fast track to fix it.
The rest of his statement just says that it's not intended game play.
Listen, I don't care about bunny hop. I just think it's funny that you people won't admit that it's a BUG. Saidin even says it in the quote that you posted.
What do you think that a game mechanic that nothing can be done about is? THAT IS CALLED A BUG! LOL
You kids make me laugh.
Saidin, chime in here man, tell these idiots that Bunny Hop is a BUG that you are allowing people to exploit. Educate these kids please. -
saintNooby wrote: »Sup Buck.
Still going on about this
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Methinkz you cant bhops and is jealous
I can Bunny bro. I use it too. It's not the bunny hopping that I am debating. It's the fact that it's a BUG and the only reason people CAN do it is because it is manipulating game mechanics. It's NOT intended game play. The designers didn't put it in the game with intent. -
BuckFutterr wrote: »I can Bunny bro. I use it too. It's not the bunny hopping that I am debating. It's the fact that it's a BUG and the only reason people CAN do it is because it is manipulating game mechanics. It's NOT intended game play. The designers didn't put it in the game with intent.
It WASNT at first , no.. But in CFCN it has become so popular that they have permanently kept it in the game. it's a skill and a trick, not exactly a bug which gives you advantage.. its allowed to be used in the GM CF tourneys on other CF versions
It's the same as being able to pinpoint breath...
Also you said bhopping stops breath ? Thats lie) -
saintNooby wrote: »
Also you said bhopping stops breath ? Thats lie)
Trust me.
The only time GR hears breath if you bunny right is when you stop to stab them in the face.
If you bunny right GR does not hear breath as you are moving. You can bunny right past them and they won't hear you.
YOU of all people know that I know what I'm talking about. I'm ghost killer extrodinaire lol.
How do you think I find you all the time? I wait for you to stop to stab me in the face, pinpoint your sound, jump in other direction and SPRAY LIKE A MO FO! -
AND the debat you and I had was not if bunny hopping is an accepted bug. The debate was if it IS a bug or not.
And when they don't design something into the game code that you are able to do by a particular combination of actions to manipulate the game mechanics, THAT is called a bug friend. lol
Granted it's an accepted bug, but it's a bug all the same.
Ok going to shoot ghosts in the face now. Come find me. IF YOU DARE! :P -
I'll just go ahead and assume you think djumping and regular bunnyhopping qualifies as bug/glitching too, since the actions are the same.BuckFutterr wrote: »AND the debat you and I had was not if bunny hopping is an accepted bug. The debate was if it IS a bug or not.
And when they don't design something into the game code that you are able to do by a particular combination of actions to manipulate the game mechanics, THAT is called a bug friend. lol
Granted it's an accepted bug, but it's a bug all the same.
Ok going to shoot ghosts in the face now. Come find me. IF YOU DARE! :P -
i didnt understand a word you said....First of all, I'd just like to comment on the new Anti-Hack system (which is similar to another's version of Crossfire): it's great, new maps and new guns - especially since it's GP crates for all those people who can't/don't (want to) afford/buy ZP.
All of these new additions come with one new flaw that Z8 has added: the jump timing.
Seeing that I'm mainly a GhostMode player (a mode which is akin to S&D except BL are invisible with knives and move a bit faster than GR), the first thing I did was go into a GM game and start IJing/3rd Genning. Firstoff, I was a little surprised at the timing and I thought, "Hmmph, this timing for 4th gen (IJ - invisible - if you do it right) is a little easier for other people learning - that's great." But then, I tried doing 3rd gen (A quick backwards invisible hop) and the timing utterly failed. I thought it was just my timing, however; I heard the sound for a correct, simultaneous hop. I know I haven't gotten my timing wrong, so this is all I'm asking Z8Games:
Please change back the timing; it's not the same old enjoyable game I used to play. -
I'll just go ahead and assume you think djumping and regular bunnyhopping qualifies as bug/glitching too, since the actions are the same.
Double jumping is ABSOLUTELY a bug.
Regular bunny hopping? I'll spell it out for you.
If you move without becoming visible you are exploiting game mechanics.
True or false? -
BuckFutterr wrote: »Trust me.
The only time GR hears breath if you bunny right is when you stop to stab them in the face.
If you bunny right GR does not hear breath as you are moving. You can bunny right past them and they won't hear you.
YOU of all people know that I know what I'm talking about. I'm ghost killer extrodinaire lol.
How do you think I find you all the time? I wait for you to stop to stab me in the face, pinpoint your sound, jump in other direction and SPRAY LIKE A MO FO!
You've never killed me o.o
and i hate to spoil your fun, but i think im one of the best GRs on the game. Confident, yes.
i have no problems hearing bhoppers.. My headphones are pretty dam good.
Now many ghosts get anywhere near me , even in 4th gen
Maybe clean ur ears out ? o.o -
BuckFutterr wrote: »Sp4wn. You have NO IDEA who I am. Play GR more often... THAT is FUNNY!
You think your only chance in bl is to exploit the system? Then you really suk at the game. I do fine at bl, Scared of pinpointers? Don't camp.
As for your little comment about "if it wasn't supposed to be in the game it wouldn't".
The wall glitching, and under map glitching is in the game. Is it intended to be there?
Again, You will justify it many ways, "bl wouldnt have a chance" bla bla bla.
Fact of the matter is that it's a BUG and was not intended as part of game play. Just because YOU are not able to play without using the bug. It don't mean it's intended.
Remember, Even when you hit f1 it says, BL are invisible when not moving and visible when moving. it does not say, If you crouch and jump then move you won't be seen because ITS NOT INTENDED AS GAME PLAY. You children just do it and try to justify it.
Don't get me wrong, It don't bother me at all. It makes the game mor of a challenge.
I just think it's funny how people try to say that it's intended because it's in the game when it REALY is a BUG.
It's not a bug. It's a skill deal with it. You don't hear steps but you DO hear breathing, please stop making a fool of yourself.BuckFutterr wrote: »I can Bunny bro. I use it too. It's not the bunny hopping that I am debating. It's the fact that it's a BUG and the only reason people CAN do it is because it is manipulating game mechanics. It's NOT intended game play. The designers didn't put it in the game with intent.
So basically, you can do it and you use it, but you are agains't it and are exploiting a bug.
GG son. -
saintNooby wrote: »You've never killed me o.o
and i hate to spoil your fun, but i think im one of the best GRs on the game. Confident, yes.
i have no problems hearing bhoppers.. My headphones are pretty dam good.
Now many ghosts get anywhere near me , even in 4th gen
Maybe clean ur ears out ? o.o
Word, this guy could hear me from miles away when we played once in Metro. -
Imaginative wrote: »It's not a bug. It's a skill deal with it. You don't hear steps but you DO hear breathing, please stop making a fool of yourself.
So basically, you can do it and you use it, but you are agains't it and are exploiting a bug.
GG son.
You are an idiot. READ before you post. I SAID THAT I'M NOT AGINST IT. The debate is if it is a bug or not.
AND NO you don't hear breathing if it's done right. So stop making YOURSELF look like a fool. Oh wait... too late.
It's a skill LOL that's funny. Like I said. Children will justify it by saying "it's a skill" lol. ITS ***ING EXPLOITING GAME MECHANICS. THAT IS A BUG. LOL
You can tell the kids that post. They all say the same thing. "It's a skill".
The adults will gladly admit that it's exploiting game mechanics (read as a bug).
Ok I'm done with this. Justify it how ever you want. Skill, game balance or what ever. Again, Bottom line. IT'S A BUG.
This is my last post in this thread. -
BuckFutterr wrote: »You are an idiot. READ before you post. I SAID THAT I'M NOT AGINST IT. The debate is if it is a bug or not.
AND NO you don't hear breathing if it's done right. So stop making YOURSELF look like a fool. Oh wait... too late.
It's a skill LOL that's funny. Like I said. Children will justify it by saying "it's a skill" lol. ITS ***ING EXPLOITING GAME MECHANICS. THAT IS A BUG. LOL
You can tell the kids that post. They all say the same thing. "It's a skill".
The adults will gladly admit that it's exploiting game mechanics (read as a bug).
Ok I'm done with this. Justify it how ever you want. Skill, game balance or what ever. Again, Bottom line. IT'S A BUG.
This is my last post in this thread.
I've played pretty much the best bhoppers in-game and they DO breathe. You should get better headphones. I'm not a kid, and I don't try to pose as an adult like yourself.
It's a skill as not everyone does it and it's not bug otherwise it would have been removed from all the other versions, which it hasn't. -
BuckFutterr wrote: »You are an idiot. READ before you post. I SAID THAT I'M NOT AGINST IT. The debate is if it is a bug or not.
AND NO you don't hear breathing if it's done right. So stop making YOURSELF look like a fool. Oh wait... too late.
It's a skill LOL that's funny. Like I said. Children will justify it by saying "it's a skill" lol. ITS ***ING EXPLOITING GAME MECHANICS. THAT IS A BUG. LOL
You can tell the kids that post. They all say the same thing. "It's a skill".
The adults will gladly admit that it's exploiting game mechanics (read as a bug).
Ok I'm done with this. Justify it how ever you want. Skill, game balance or what ever. Again, Bottom line. IT'S A BUG.
This is my last post in this thread.
And here's my bottom line:
It won't get removed
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combataxer wrote: »z8games really needs to fix this dam game. since the new patch i have had all these problems and i have zp. it always says error crossfire. exe or somethin.So heres ur choice. U fix game or i get refund for my zp
Keep dreaming, you won't get a refund.
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