Hacking thread merger
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BarneyF1fe wrote: »update was pointless. Played today for about a half hour and there were more hacks then I could count.
Updates to the game itself rarely have a significant impact on cheating. This is more a factor of xtrap updates. Game patches are generally to fix bugs or to introduce new weapons or modes. -
This will NEVER be a hack free game. There will be moments where the hacks are unnoticeable, but never truly be 100% hack free. This is something the community of CF has dealt with year in and year out since it started. It's an FPS game, and those silly enough to spend thousands of dollars supporting this company and game in general are well, we all know it... Addictive human beings with not much of an actual life or people with endless finances and silly. Got to have the next best gun and this and that. I've spent money on this game just to be competitive with online gaming buds who do the same don't get me wrong. But never a line is drawn. Certain modes will be forever ruined... TD, HMX, Zombie, this new WAVE and of course the soccer match.. and well Escape mode is another one. S&D is the only one where you have a chance of actually playing without a hacker and normally enough people are onboard to kick those who do resort to " The Rack "
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Honestly, I am debating on giving up Crossfire. It hasn't done nothing for me lately except headaches. We are getting anything out of this except spending money and playing Russian roulette whether or not a hacker will join the room. My k/d isn't as good as it use to be because of the hack problem they have. The z8 staff and mods aren't giving us AK-Vips to decide whether or not we want to save our k/d. So its our scores that are getting messed up because of their problems. I think if they would give the players more items that actually mattered, people would stay and try to work around it. Instead they expect us to buy zp with our hard earned money to get what we want. It should be the other way around. They should be GIVING us items so we continue to stay and work with them instead of finding another game to waist our time with.
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »Let's see if I can answer some of these points for you.
Let me preface this by saying we recently updated x-trap today against the current most popular hack and it seems to be doing a good job so far.
X-Trap does work, but with the nature of the program it's never going to be "instant". It's always going to be a push-pull thing. We update against hacks, and then new hacks come out. We're contracted with X-Trap for the time being, so at the moment this can't change. We need to continue to do the best job with what we have. And that's what we're doing.
We're not going to comment on the judgmental view of this. However I do want to address the point of staff. As many of you have seen, we have increased the number of staff. Ticket times have been reduced to 12-24 hour response time (way down from 72+ a short while ago).
In addition, we have instituted programs with our new staff members such that they are always playing the game. We have someone in game almost 24 hours a day playing and kicking hackers. It's a big game, with a lot of people. Unfortunately there is never going to be a staff member in every game. But we're doing our best and you all have seen the results here. Greater interactivity, more gm events, and more players kicked and banned from the game in a live environment.
There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion. We read everything here whether or not we respond to it all.
We ask that people be respectful and constructive and on those times hopefully we have the time to also craft respectful and constructive responses.
Despite it not looking so, we have increased the # of IP's that we ban. And we have also looked in to some of our tracking systems which track the creation of new accounts to curb this behavior too.
With the nature of the Free to Play game, it's hard to fully limit account creation, but we are looking for the best ways possible so that endless hacking alternate accounts aren't being made.
We recognize this is an issue with our fight in anti-hacking. It's just not an easy problem to solve.
This unfortunately is something we've been working on but has seemed to have taken 2 steps back in the most recent updates.
The zombie mode and Wave Mode bugs which have shown up (since about when wave mode started) have been very difficult for us to track, reproduce and fix.
For example, a patch is given to us for testing (coded by Smilegate, the developers of the game). In testing we see that it has no bugs. But then we update to live and somewhere along the line it created something which blew apart some specific zombie mode map which we never saw in testing.
Another example is when a patch fixes a bug in testing, but for some reason the bug doesn't correct itself in the live environment.
We don't mean for this stuff to happen, when we release patch notes we're doing so based on our QA (testing) version of the latest updates. And we want to convey that we're continuing to improve on bugs, so we list bug fixes. But recently we've seen some resets on old bugs that have shown up again.
I can say that we have updated X-Trap today, and that tonight we should be seeing a game update to fix some of the important bugs. Again they are fixed on our test servers, we can only hope that everything goes smoothly.
Look for an announcement from Juicebox later with regards to the update tonight. Hopefully by fixing some of those and an X-Trap patch we can hvae some fun this weekend in some awesome World Cup related soccer events and continue to enjoy our time in CrossFire!
Your patience and desire to help is most definitely appreciated. We are looking at all ways to involve the positive members of our community more within the game, whether it's finding ways to get legitimate hack reports, or kicking or something. Things have to be done on a fair and safe format for the game and community, but we're always keeping our eyes open for fresh ideas on how to make everyone happier.
Thank you for that.
Since you took the time to respond respectively, I respect that and will try and come to a conclusion with you and the other staff you work with. May I shoot some ideas your way then? Make the game costly per month, BUT, free items should be given away to players. That way yal are still getting money, and you can have a stricter policy on accounts, IP addresses, etc. Also, we understand that hacks are not going to disappear completely, and it will take time to reduce the amount hackers there are now indeed. What about our kill death ratios that are going to trash? Some of us can't afford to buy all the VIP weapons and choose whether or not we get save the k/d for the game prior. I believe that there should be an option that we can choose since just about every game a hacker joins. Unless you have all friends in a room that is. Im pretty sure that all the legit players wouldn't mind getting an incentive for having to try and play around these problems. Forgive me if I sound greedy by saying this, but I feel like the z8 staff owes the community something worth while for struggling through this big headache. Kind of like the Christmas wish list, except everyone got one item they wanted. Just a thought, I doubt it will happen but it sounded cool. I just figured give and receive. Happy customers is future customers for business. Lets see what kind of business men we are working with. I look forward to your response, along with the other staff is possible.
Thanks for your time,
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Michaelxv205 wrote: »Those 2-3weeks of 100% hac free uh those were the most amazing days ever. I felt like everyone was awful haha especially alpha 7 was actually playable. Without those next chinese players shooting with the m4 vips through everything. The game was fun and we could actually train our shots. However now you have to spray at a speeding cheater because headshots don't even reg on them. This decreases the ability to aim imo and just makes everyone worse.
I think it's funny how you comment on a forum post of mine on hacking when I sent you a video of "Aeps" hacking in ghost mode and you declined that he/she/it was hacking when it was so obvious. Perfect pinpoint from across the map with bd but what do I know? Just throwing that out there. -
QuietStealth wrote: »I think it's funny how you comment on a forum post of mine on hacking when I sent you a video of "Aeps" hacking in ghost mode and you declined that he/she/it was hacking when it was so obvious. Perfect pinpoint from across the map with bd but what do I know? Just throwing that out there.
Its ok he's banned now. -
not sure if I caught you, but
that is pretty much exact to what I felt when transitioning from active to slightly active.
I'm one of those^ as well.
QuietSnipa, I recall playing quite a bit with in GM. Casual, decent, good natured person to play along side of.
Another dedicated vet turning in the guns if you should happen to depart from CF. :-/
..could join the cf-lurking-crew, for lack of a better moniker. Those of us that check in once in a while on high hopes that the game will turn(and stay turned) one of these times.
I held on to hoping that, after one of these patches the timeframe would be extensive where there'd be no hacking. (Regrettably)
Ended up frustrating myself. So the stress free alternative was to leave. It's tough to make a humble 'shove it' thread and just get mocked, as I've witnessed so many do. So I chose to rogue it.
Unfortunately, it's sad that some are forced to resort to these alternatives.
I, for one, enjoy creating visual art modifications for the crafty players. I just withdrew some motivation in doing such, as well as a few others.(probably observed)
The game, ultimately, oozes of potential to be a consistently enjoyed experience.
Although I quieted myself as far as community involvement/promoting/events for a good deal of time, I still keep 4 virtual fingers crossed for CrossFire NA.
Yeah im surprised im still trying. Bout to give it up. Not worth the headache anymore. Me and a couple buddies have been playing battlefield 3 and a couple different games experimenting with that. Seeing what and all is out there and what they have to offer. But yeah man, was great getting to play with you. Hopefully one day we can get back on and have some fun without playing hide and ambush with hackers (not that we can hide because they see where we are, but still). Im trying to work deals with the mods and z8, see if the legit players can get an incentive or something for having to deal with this. Keep in touch -
Its ok he's banned now.
That doesn't matter to me. Michael is leader of Distortion and he apparently was covering up Aeps or either didn't watch the replay. If a LT from a G.M. clan comes to you with proof, I think that's enough right there to kick but nothing was done except for him to say, "his buddy was in the room and he said he wasn't hacking". Well no sh**. His buddy will cover for him. Lost mad respect for him and that clan with that situation. -
My friend made a new account and told me that in rokiee server 90 percent of players were hacks....
Question is can z8games.com stop new account registeration for some time and in the meantime GM's come ingame and block all existing hackers permanently... once blocked the hackers wont be able 2 make new account for a while which will be frustrating. ..and probably discourage others from using haks... -
My friend made a new account and told me that in rokiee server 90 percent of players were hacks....
Question is can z8games.com stop new account registeration for some time and in the meantime GM's come ingame and block all existing hackers permanently... once blocked the hackers wont be able 2 make new account for a while which will be frustrating. ..and probably discourage others from using haks... -
****leWizard wrote: »I wish Egypt was never invented ;P, but srsly we shood bomb Egypt. That wood fix a lot of stuff.
This:You're just plain dumb, fool.... If you think you should blame a whole country for a few bad apples.
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on topic- I, also, reverted my spending to another game more stable. I'll spend again when there's a difference that's noticeable for more than a week-long fix. (although it IS better than nothing, it's just not worth investing in)
and: also joined the watch community, becoming less active within the game.
Hope the game turns around in long term play-ability for casual players. I'd be more keen on playing it, as well as many others I presume. -
Its probably better to resort to locked rooms. Don't forget they used to do that with Counter Strike as well, whenever there were hackers in pubs.
Simply make locked rooms, which feature no hack players and people bellow the ping of 150 (anyone above shouldn't be playing this game). -
there are playstyles that don't include the "competitive scene"...although for some odd reason it's the only place that you don't witness blatant hackers...oh yea..funds/focus diverted to competitive scene (just what it looks like)Another reason to join the competitive scene
LOL but totally agreedpeople stopping in more to check the status of hack prevention in the game on the forums before jumping back into any kind of ridiculousness. This is the CF "society" I'll be joining as well.I'm one of those, actually. Can't describe it any better. Every few months, too.
You're right on the bullseye. If I see no significant difference, I don't instally C-efy. .. just read a few posts, then maybe respond to a couple...then off for another few months ;P.I'm one of those^ as well.This:
also joined the watch community, becoming less active within the game.
*stands up as in an alcoholics anonymous meeting*
I am in this 'society', or 'watch community'![:\](https://forum.z8games.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
bye quietsnipa, seen you and the other baddies of pink mist on more than one occasion. You were one of the better one's that had me puzzled as to why you were even in pink mist. But, besides all that jazz, hope it gets more relief here. ( for ALL of us in the better crossfire community)
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SEG_Golden wrote: »Its probably better to resort to locked rooms. Don't forget they used to do that with Counter Strike as well, whenever there were hackers in pubs.
Simply make locked rooms, which feature no hack players and people bellow the ping of 150 (anyone above shouldn't be playing this game).
We shouldn't have to make any game closed with a password to be able to play a game. They created the game and introduced zp into it to be able to make money for their game. Its their responsibility to handle situations that is making the game hard to tolerate. They made enough money last year to step up the anti-hack programs and hire more people to fix these issues. All they doing is ****ing money away because a lot of people are either not buying zp anymore or they aren't buying as much. -
there are playstyles that don't include the "competitive scene"...although for some odd reason it's the only place that you don't witness blatant hackers...oh yea..funds/focus diverted to competitive scene (just what it looks like)
*stands up as in an alcoholics anonymous meeting*
I am in this 'society', or 'watch community'
bye quietsnipa, seen you and the other baddies of pink mist on more than one occasion. You were one of the better one's that had me puzzled as to why you were even in pink mist. But, besides all that jazz, hope it gets more relief here. ( for ALL of us in the better crossfire community)
Some people clan hop and don't know loyalty. Pink~Mist took me in when I was garbage at G.M. We practiced and built a great clan out of ourselves. I have loyalty with the clan, that's why I haven't left it yet. I respect other clans in the game and even shoot the sh*t with them, but my pride is in P.M. whether someone calls it a pro clan or garbage. Im sticking up for my clan. -
Since Crossfire is full with arabs and egypts, it makes no more fun to play the game. Servers, channels and rooms are overfilled with some mahmouds, eslampops and so on... this guys are destroying the game i love to play since 2009. Whats wrong with you guys? The IP Restriction was a good idea, but now, you have to ban all those arabs and egypts!! They can't play Crossfire, they lag as hell (pings are between 200-1000 !!!) and they are masters in hacking. So why the hell do you allow them to play? Many legit players and customers left the game because of this problem. In my opinion, the only reason, why Crossfire makes no more fun like in the past, are caused by those arabs. You have to do something against them, otherwise Crossfire is doomed to perish. Hear our voices!!
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QuietStealth wrote: »I'm sick and tired of these hackers in this game. I'm at the point now, where I'm bout to uninstall the game and spend money on another game. This has gotten ridiculous and extremely irritating to me and my fellow players who play clean and by the books. This is what I propose to z8 as follows:
1. Change the hack detector programs you are using now with something that will actually work.
2. Hire more people that actually play in the games in crossfire and have them take a look at how bad it is. Then, you can start tally marking how many ahmed's and their brother's Mohameds are running around using hacks in the game.
3. We understand that you can't exactly get rid of all the hacks in the game, and we aren't worried about that. We as in the players of Crossfire, want to see something trying to be done about this. This is why people are quitting and others talking junk on forums.
4. Figure out a way to start banning their IP-addresses from the game or something very similar to that. If they hack, give them a warning and briefly state, next time, they will no longer be allowed on the game. No matter how many different characters they want to make.
5. Fix old content before trying to add more content to reduce the bugs in the game.
I understand that you all are working on getting this situation fixed, I don't know how progress is looking... but do you need help? I would be more than happy to go from room to room and write down every hackers name or something if that makes it easier for you. I'm just tired of having a good game go to complete crap because a worthless failure of a piece of sh** wants to hack. Or just simply give me the power to ban the hackers and the world would be a better place with rainbows and stuff or however you picture it.
Regardless to this long message, I announce that unless something is done soon to this game, my departure from it. I've had enough. I'm also trying to get the point across without having to use the Simpsons pictures for reference...
Sincerely,
A highly disappointed Player
QuietSnipa
"Start a fire and sell water"
A business model that works in MANY cases.
A few months back the game was Auto-kicking hackers and the forums were full of "THANK YOU" and "I'm back, the game is playing legit finally!"
This was followed by many players thinking that CF was selling the hacks...and even a mod responding to it...
Yet after about a month of clean game play, CF had a patch. Within ONE HOUR I saw multiple hackers and the next day there was nothing but hackers. So how does a patch cause more hack and not less unless you are selling the hacks and allowing them? And I haven't seen an auto-kick since the hack patch.
Start a virus, sell anti-virus.
Can't handle the hackers? Buy armor and the newest ZP weapon.. -
Since Crossfire is full with arabs and egypts, it makes no more fun to play the game. Servers, channels and rooms are overfilled with some mahmouds, eslampops and so on... this guys are destroying the game i love to play since 2009. Whats wrong with you guys? The IP Restriction was a good idea, but now, you have to ban all those arabs and egypts!! They can't play Crossfire, they lag as hell (pings are between 200-1000 !!!) and they are masters in hacking. So why the hell do you allow them to play? Many legit players and customers left the game because of this problem. In my opinion, the only reason, why Crossfire makes no more fun like in the past, are caused by those arabs. You have to do something against them, otherwise Crossfire is doomed to perish. Hear our voices!!
I've seen more Chinese wallers than Egypt aimbots.....but aimbot is easier to spot.. -
That's odd I can join any match and any mode and it isn't yingyanglang hacking it's ahmedpop with a 200+ ping and lowrank.
Chinese' do hacking a lot and they are more dangerous than arab hackers, because most of the arabs are using free hacks but every chinese hacker that I crossed over had vip hacks. (For example the famous one, hitbox hack; shoot anywhere on the body and it counts as headshot) Also they are mostly using wall hack and they are more annoying than arabs because they have low ping, high fps, m4 vip, jtf, flash and smoke protection. So I rather to see an arab hacker instead of any other hackers from different countries. -
' wrote:JuLLs[;4023465']Chinese' do hacking a lot and they are more dangerous than arab hackers, because most of the arabs are using free hacks but every chinese hacker that I crossed over had vip hacks. (For example the famous one, hitbox hack; shoot anywhere on the body and it counts as headshot) Also they are mostly using wall hack and they are more annoying than arabs because they have low ping, high fps, m4 vip, jtf, flash and smoke protection. So I rather to see an arab hacker instead of any other hackers from different countries.
So, u saying, that all people Hack to be the best player?
Why shall Asians H4cck?
Actually they are only Pro, if they gang you or whatever...Try to report 'em: u will fail anyways -
So, u saying, that all people Hack to be the best player?
I didn't said anything like that, you misunderstood.Why shall Asians H4cck?
Actually they are only Pro, if they gang you or whatever...Try to report 'em: u will fail anyways
Majority of the hack coders are chinese and you are believing that "they are only pro" Asians do hacking too just like arabs, I have seen vietnamese, chinese hackers as much as middle eastern hackers and they're way more dangerous. -
' wrote:JuLLs[;4023465']Chinese' do hacking a lot and they are more dangerous than arab hackers, because most of the arabs are using free hacks but every chinese hacker that I crossed over had vip hacks. (For example the famous one, hitbox hack; shoot anywhere on the body and it counts as headshot) Also they are mostly using wall hack and they are more annoying than arabs because they have low ping, high fps, m4 vip, jtf, flash and smoke protection. So I rather to see an arab hacker instead of any other hackers from different countries.
The only people I see doing constant gold head shots are in fact arabs.
The only time Chinese get gold head shots a lot (but not all the time) is in head shot only mode which they love playing. That's the difference one is skill/luck and the ahmedpops that join the game aimbotting everyone with pure gold headshots are not pro.
And sure Chinese can be annoying with there items such as op shotguns in WM but again it's legit.
As for VIP/Armour/JTF/low ping/High FPS that is true but guess what it's all legit unlike a ahmed hacking his ass off. -
The only people I see doing constant gold head shots are in fact arabs.
The only time Chinese get gold head shots a lot (but not all the time) is in head shot only mode which they love playing. That's the difference one is skill/luck and the ahmedpops that join the game aimbotting everyone with pure gold headshots are not pro.
And sure Chinese can be annoying with there items such as op shotguns in WM but again it's legit.
As for VIP/Armour/JTF/low ping/High FPS that is true but guess what it's all legit unlike a ahmed hacking his ass off.
I know how ahmeds are, I'm playing on UK Servers for over 4 years. Ahmeds do constant headshots and they are easy to spot but chinese are perfect on hiding their hacks. And using hacks with the things that I mentioned makes them way more unbearable if you compare to middle easterns. There are arab hackers too with vips, high fps, char etc but still they are easy to spot unlike the chinese hackers. -
' wrote:JuLLs[;4023504']chinese are perfect on hiding their hacks.
Well if they hide them perfectly and there is no way of telling if they do hack then you can only assume they hack without proof, based of the fact that they are "good" or "own you".
I get told I hack a lot too but noob, farmers and even some legit high ranks and although they truly believe what they are saying it just isn't the case. -
Hackers are not Champions
The new update "Rise of the Champions" should honestly just be renamed "Rise of the Hackers". Been trying to play some melee matches recently, and with that melee event over the weekend, now we have tons of hackers running around with speed boost hacks making their katana look more like weed-whackers. I call that one weed********, cuz I'm hilarious.
I have been in several melee matches where there are more hackers than legit players, and the players are forced to leave, or attempt to kill players using three or more hacks. I will note, as many players have in the past, that all of these hackers had at least 190 ping, and usually a random smattering of letters as a name, or something Middle Eastern sounding.
So my question is, why is this game solely catering to the hacker population, who live in regions this game isn't even intended for, while leaving it's NA/UK players to play with them? I understand that the ME region makes up a significant portion of the player base. I wouldn't mind that if a very large portion of them were legitimate players.
I would suggest that if they're such a significant contribution to the overall revenue of CF, then why not give them their own version and block them from ours? If the ME region, however, is not a profitable market, and since, as many players have pointed out, are literally destroying this version of CF, why not just outright IP ban the region?
X-Trap is so far behind on their updates they have almost no ability to catch hackers in the process. There is no in-game policing system of game staff going through rooms banning hackers that I have ever seen in the on and off four years I have played this game.
I know that the Mods don't have any direct power over this, and may even perceive this thread as just a player flaming/raging. I am frustrated, obviously, but it is because that I game I very much enjoy playing is constantly ruined for me by a very blatant, and in my opinion, easily fixable problem. My hope would be that any Mods who agree with this sentiment could pass along this idea to the GM's, and the overall high player support for it. At least I'd say high player support, given the number of times I've seen this idea mentioned in various threads.
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