Ron Paul
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Aimoperative wrote: »Let's face it, when a girl realizes she's pregnant, she's not thinking about how abortion would be killing a cell in her body (though if she's had enough abortions to think that then she should just become sterile), she's thinking how she's going to provide for this baby or how it's going to crush her plans for the future.
And THEN thinking about how abortion would be killing the cell in her body that is making her think about this ****. -
the chicken eggs we eat never had any potential of becoming chickens
a fetus will however always become a person if enough time passes
who came up with the horrible analogy?
i buy organic eggs and sometimes i get pre-developed embryos , kinda gross lol... -
I'm just saying there are more options than abortion. Lots of them. If the girl is hell-bent on getting an abortion, then no one can stop her. However, I believe every other option should be tried, especially if the resulting pregnancy was not a product of **** or forced sex. If the girls friends/family abandon her or view her with disrespect because she chooses to carry, then they were not very good friends/family to begin with, making ANY organization that offer support and care worth checking outMaking the pregnancy work isn't especially hard, just a pretty small loss of money when the person can't work/whatever.
Being forced to carry to term because some christian fundamentalists gets involved and says "hey, you don't have to kill this baby, we can pay" is disgusting and sad though.
Pretty much removes the choice out of the equation.
The options become "Carry this baby to term because I have no excuses, these people promised me everything".
Right, thats just one option.
(btw, why do you think that most non-profit organizations in this sector are "fundamentalist Christians" or other religious groups? well guess what? everybody else thinks that death is the answer to everything or is to lazy to spend the time making such an organization. Don't give me that shpeel that some people want to help but can't, If they really want to make a difference, they make it. there are plenty of amazing stories of teens/kids/people making a difference because they threw their all into what they believe in. -
yah, after everybody conveniently tells here there are no mental/physical aftereffects of having an abortion. It's not like removing an appendicitis.Your appendicitis will never become a person. This "cell" has the ability to become a living person and will leave more than just a scar if it is ripped away. When was the last time you saw a book/program that said you could come out of an abortion without a risk of side-effects? If you have one, please, show me.And THEN thinking about how abortion would be killing the cell in her body that is making her think about this ****. -
Aimoperative wrote: »yah, after everybody conveniently tells here there are no mental/physical aftereffects of having an abortion. It's not like removing an appendicitis.Your appendicitis will never become a person. This "cell" has the ability to become a living person and will leave more than just a scar if it is ripped away. When was the last time you saw a book/program that said you could come out of an abortion without a risk of side-effects? If you have one, please, show me.
Why, where or when did I say that you could? Obviously before any voluntary medical procedure, someone should do extensive research.
Regardless, if you don't view the fetus as anything more than I fetus, I doubt that you'll suffer very severe emotional side effects, if any.
P.S. you can come out of a birth with postpartum depression, so don't give birth either. -
Extensive research would show that the risks are not worth the surgery, especially since you could just have the baby then give it to an organization that will take care of it and love it (c section anyone?). If the women/girls rep is on the line, she should have thought about that. Every action has a consequence, no one ever gets off Scot free. Deal with responsibility, especially if it wasn't forced sex.Why, where or when did I say that you could? Obviously before any voluntary medical procedure, someone should do extensive research.
Regardless, if you don't view the fetus as anything more than I fetus, I doubt that you'll suffer very severe emotional side effects, if any.
P.S. you can come out of a birth with postpartum depression, so don't give birth either.
If the fetus was like any other organ, then it would be emotionless, however, it is not any other organ/cell/body part. It happens to be growing and feeding off you for starters, it also happens to possess the ability to be a person.
While I don't claim to be a female, I do know that a fetus does have more than a placenta and umbilical cord connecting the baby to the mother. There is an emotional bond (maternal instinct), which is what makes child-rearing possible. -
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I'm not telling you how to live your life, I'm just saying that abortion is considerably more publicized and advocated then the numerous other options out there, to the point where the first thing people think when they get an unplanned pregnancy is "baby? let's kill and hope no one notices."RawrJafrikan wrote: »I think I hear Rick Santorum speaking again.
What? Something about how people shouldn't tell others how to live their lives? Wait what? That's called freedom? Oh.. Oh yeah. Freedom.
If said person want to get an abortion because she believes it is the only way, even after considering all the options. Then she's going to get it anyway. -
Aimoperative wrote: »Extensive research would show that the risks are not worth the surgery
Do I even have to point out how blanket this is?
especially since you could just have the baby then give it to an organization that will take care of it and love it (c section anyone?). If the women/girls rep is on the line, she should have thought about that. Every action has a consequence, no one ever gets off Scot free. Deal with responsibility, especially if it wasn't forced sex.
If the fetus was like any other organ, then it would be emotionless, however, it is not any other organ/cell/body part. It happens to be growing and feeding off you for starters, it also happens to possess the ability to be a person.
While I don't claim to be a female, I do know that a fetus does have more than a placenta and umbilical cord connecting the baby to the mother. There is an emotional bond (maternal instinct), which is what makes child-rearing possible.
Regardless, I'm not saying adoption isn't an option to be considered. All options are options for a reason.
I AM saying that abortion can and should be considered as well. -
Abortion is always considered. Since when was it not an option during unplanned pregnancy. What I'm saying is that not many people consider adoption, etc, as much as they do abortion.Regardless, I'm not saying adoption isn't an option to be considered. All options are options for a reason.
I AM saying that abortion can and should be considered as well.
Edit: Blanket...wat. -
Adoption puts unbarable psychical pressure on an adolescent girl.
Taking a pill and terminating the pregnancy in a day saves her that life trauma.
But of course, as long as theres religious fundamentalist preaching pro-life and rich white people who can buy anything, the feelings of a young girl doesn't matter. -
Adoption puts unbarable psychical pressure on an adolescent girl.
Taking a pill and terminating the pregnancy in a day saves her that life trauma.
But of course, as long as theres religious fundamentalist preaching pro-life and rich white people who can buy anything, the feelings of a young girl doesn't matter.
I think this kid means abortion. -
Adoption puts unbarable psychical pressure on an adolescent girl.
Taking a pill and terminating the pregnancy in a day saves her that life trauma.
But of course, as long as theres religious fundamentalist preaching pro-life and rich white people who can buy anything, the feelings of a young girl doesn't matter.Kedaamikeda wrote: »I think this kid means abortion.
Nope. He means adopton. ie: Carrying a child to term and putting them up for adoption puts a tremendous physical strain on an adolescent girl whereas an abortion pill (or otherwise) doesn't as much. -
And you know this for sure? Any actual stories of people regretting that they put their child up for adoption? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but when people decide to put their kids up for adoption, its usually because they thought they'd feel worse if they just killed it.Adoption puts unbarable psychical pressure on an adolescent girl.
Taking a pill and terminating the pregnancy in a day saves her that life trauma.
But of course, as long as theres religious fundamentalist preaching pro-life and rich white people who can buy anything, the feelings of a young girl doesn't matter.
On a sidenote: If you are saying that the pregnancy itself causes truma, well obviously, but if it's consensual sex, then it's time to grow up quick, the least people CAN do is put the baby up for adoption, not kill it because it makes them look bad (and if your friends/family disapprove, well what kind of people are they? if they can't stick with their friend/daughter/sister through hard times then they aren't good friends/family)
However, if you are saying that the physical act of giving your baby to adoption causes emotional truma, then the girl is a really loving mom who hopes to return but can't because she can't keep the child. BUT is willing to not kill it. Can't think of any other scenario.
"But of course, as long as theres religious fundamentalist preaching pro-life and rich white people who can buy anything"
you must be referencing some politician or you are looking in the wrong place, because i'm referring to organizations like Caris, who try support the girls who placed themselves in this position. -
' wrote:dvda[;2770763']Nope. He means adopton. ie: Carrying a child to term and putting them up for adoption puts a tremendous physical strain on an adolescent girl whereas an abortion pill (or otherwise) doesn't as much.
Hence, Organizations like heartbeat international, care-net, and life, these people aren't there to rub the pregnancy or post-abortion (should you go to these groups) in the girls face, they are there to provide comfort and support to their greatest ability. Adoption is a win-win situation, and these groups are non-profit, they won't ask to be paid by the girl, they get their funding from whoever donates.
If the girl demands an abortion, believes it is the only way after hearing all the other lesser known options, then that is her choice, but she should be given the choice to hear about both sides, then make her decision, not have to be coerced into believing that abortion is the only way.
Again, I'm not talking about forced sex, that's a completely different debate, I'm talking about consensual sex. -
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The Repulicans offerings to oppose Obama are so sad its almost pointless. Also the obvious down-play of Paul is so funny to watch from over the water. The Democrats must wonder why they even need to put in any effort at all, as this charade unfolds and does it all for them.
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