Things that need to be said and heard : [EUCLANS]
Ok so i the original idea about these kinda threads is from our MOD Polleus. If you do not know these kinda topics its basicly a way to have intelligent discussion and debates on our forums about certain aspects of the game. Most of Polleus topic's are about respect , debates ,reputation basicly building a good community with Europeans and North Americans.
But as all of you guys know Europeans and North Americans are different and have a different community so i decided to type up something for the European Clans.
Some of Polleus Threads :: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=97583&highlight=Polleus
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=111550&highlight=Polleus
Notice: This is all my honest opinion im not the one laying down law's i just hope to have a postive effect on european clans.
The Basic's of what a competive european clan should have.
Ok there certain ellements i think who are crucial before you make a clan or team when you want to participate in ESL/WOGL
* Inner Team Relation
* Respect
* Goal's and Skills
Inner Team Relation
This is by far the most important thing you want to have in your team clan. If your in a scrim/official you will need to rely on your team mates? but who is are these team mates in your clan? does he like to rush ? can you trust him to have your back? This all come's by alot of practice and getting to know each other. Its not all about crossfire if you want to play with each other in a leauge. You will need to know much more about your team mate's then what they do in crossfire for example 50% of the time when i talk to my leader ( Rufus) its not about crossfire at all but about what we do in real life. So now i understand his situation and when he will be online for training and wheter he can be late for training or when he is on time. I think this was one of the reason why WOGL had so many clans forfeiting ( the clans/teams signed up for WOGL but did not even knew if they had time or discipline to play WOGL most of these teams were new after all so not more then mix teams)
It sounds cheesy but you will need to be friends..
I have aloott more stuff about teamplay but i will save that for another time.
Respect
Ok so lately were having these clans who think there everything and that there the best of the world. Well i can tell you guys its not about if you win one scrim of a a good team , its not about who has the most frags or who gets the most picks. Crossfire is a team game ofcourse its good to have players who stand out and can do big clutches or great 3/4/5k's
But does that mean you have the best team or are the best player?
No it does not and thats why you should respect everyone. If you show respect to other teams and players they might teach you something or show you some strats. I also enjoy the game muchh more if i pull off great shot and someone says ns. But i feel like shieeet if i get hs'd and i say ns then the person who killed me says HAHA NOOB SIT THE FK DOWN.
We can learn of each other instead of talking them down and try to make them feel unhappy. More i cant really say about respect its all about the community and how they will grow and get better in being nice?
Goal's and Skills
Ok so i know its been hard lately but its nice to have a goal with your team. Work to some leauge or a season make your self ready for this season or leauge. For example if you make a new team now with 5 or more members say ok i wanna be Top 5 in the ESL season or if you prefer WOGL hey i wanna end up Top 10 WOGL S3.
Next to that you obivioulsy need to have some skill's.
Now i honestly think that every player can be a great crossfire player as long if they have the right mind set. This means playing with the right guns , focus on one weapon , hunger to learn from others, play alot of scrims , figure out where your comfort zone is in each map, communication between your team, getting that good mouse, having fun, watch replay's , try to figure out what your enemy is doing, adepting your play style to certain situations, last but not least play alot of crossfire.
Ok so i have come to the end of this thread , i hope it will help you a bit
also i want to shout out to all those new clans that are just starting up there the reason i made this topic i wish all of you goodluck and hope to see you in league's and scrims
/discusss
But as all of you guys know Europeans and North Americans are different and have a different community so i decided to type up something for the European Clans.
Some of Polleus Threads :: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=97583&highlight=Polleus
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=111550&highlight=Polleus
Notice: This is all my honest opinion im not the one laying down law's i just hope to have a postive effect on european clans.
The Basic's of what a competive european clan should have.
Ok there certain ellements i think who are crucial before you make a clan or team when you want to participate in ESL/WOGL
* Inner Team Relation
* Respect
* Goal's and Skills
Inner Team Relation
This is by far the most important thing you want to have in your team clan. If your in a scrim/official you will need to rely on your team mates? but who is are these team mates in your clan? does he like to rush ? can you trust him to have your back? This all come's by alot of practice and getting to know each other. Its not all about crossfire if you want to play with each other in a leauge. You will need to know much more about your team mate's then what they do in crossfire for example 50% of the time when i talk to my leader ( Rufus) its not about crossfire at all but about what we do in real life. So now i understand his situation and when he will be online for training and wheter he can be late for training or when he is on time. I think this was one of the reason why WOGL had so many clans forfeiting ( the clans/teams signed up for WOGL but did not even knew if they had time or discipline to play WOGL most of these teams were new after all so not more then mix teams)
It sounds cheesy but you will need to be friends..
I have aloott more stuff about teamplay but i will save that for another time.
Respect
Ok so lately were having these clans who think there everything and that there the best of the world. Well i can tell you guys its not about if you win one scrim of a a good team , its not about who has the most frags or who gets the most picks. Crossfire is a team game ofcourse its good to have players who stand out and can do big clutches or great 3/4/5k's
But does that mean you have the best team or are the best player?
No it does not and thats why you should respect everyone. If you show respect to other teams and players they might teach you something or show you some strats. I also enjoy the game muchh more if i pull off great shot and someone says ns. But i feel like shieeet if i get hs'd and i say ns then the person who killed me says HAHA NOOB SIT THE FK DOWN.
We can learn of each other instead of talking them down and try to make them feel unhappy. More i cant really say about respect its all about the community and how they will grow and get better in being nice?
Goal's and Skills
Ok so i know its been hard lately but its nice to have a goal with your team. Work to some leauge or a season make your self ready for this season or leauge. For example if you make a new team now with 5 or more members say ok i wanna be Top 5 in the ESL season or if you prefer WOGL hey i wanna end up Top 10 WOGL S3.
Next to that you obivioulsy need to have some skill's.
Now i honestly think that every player can be a great crossfire player as long if they have the right mind set. This means playing with the right guns , focus on one weapon , hunger to learn from others, play alot of scrims , figure out where your comfort zone is in each map, communication between your team, getting that good mouse, having fun, watch replay's , try to figure out what your enemy is doing, adepting your play style to certain situations, last but not least play alot of crossfire.
Ok so i have come to the end of this thread , i hope it will help you a bit
also i want to shout out to all those new clans that are just starting up there the reason i made this topic i wish all of you goodluck and hope to see you in league's and scrims
/discusss
Comments
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Pretty much agree with everything.
Its just ridiculous how much of an ego some teams have when they are just bad. Being humble while playing makes you take your opponent seriously and not underestimate him. The main problem with the inner team relation point is that most clans are just a bunch of random people together shouting at each other wich obviously doesnt create any kind of team chemistry. As to skill paragraph, couldnt agree more. Watching replays of better players\teams is something that makes you evolve sooooo much. -
Agreed with everything.
infused took a break from things because we weren't enjoying crossfire. We went over to Source for a bit and A.V.A. For about a month. We didn't just disband and go our separate ways. The 4 of us stayed together as friends and teammates. A team isn't created by skill and talent, it's created by how well you know each other and how you understand each other. The arrogance of teams nowadays is unbelievable. That's why we have this EU and NA tension.
I've only met a handful of players who I have respect for in terms of skill AND most of all personality. Mart being one of them. I don't care if your the best crossfire player in the world, if you don't treat others with generosity and the respect they deserve, you will never gain my respect. -
I don't care if your the best crossfire player in the world, if you don't treat others with generosity and the respect they deserve, you will never gain my respect.
Unfortunately as you say, the arrogance in a lot of players and teams is quite astounding. There is absolutely no problem with players being confident in their abilities as players and as a team. However, there is a line where it becomes blatant arrogance that simply does no good for you or your team. All it does is make you look like the bad guy.
In every game, there is going to be a level of competition between players that will involve trash talking and boasting of skill. But as I've said many times, there is a line between competitiveness and blatant disrespect. Is everyone going to be nice and peachy with the other team? No. But I do expect for you to "shake hands" and have good sportsmanship at the end of the day. That is just common practice that MANY teams, both NA and EU, have lost in this community. It's good to see that there are people out there that still want some level of decency in teams/clans. -
That's how I run my shiz son. Completly agree with it.
To add, when it comes to my team mates, I rather have happy than loyal team mates. Loyal means you feel bad for wanting to leave etc, it's not what I want. I like my team mates to be happy, so they wouldn't want to leave. For a team to stick around you need to be more than a team. As cheesy as it sounds and it is online, but you gotta actually like the guys you're playing with. They need personality, humor and maturity.
I'm happy and I hope I am right to say that, my team are at the stage where if we got a problem, we work it out. If a member is concerned about something or causing discomfort, I won't cut him and get the next try out in line. We're all gonna sit down and talk, like we've done in the past. To achieve a team connection like this you need mature and intellegent members, which are hard to find. But if you as a Team Leader send off that vibe about yourself, then the right members will come to you.
I see a lot of teams disbanding for stupid reasons. They get together, play a couple of good teams and loose and then they delete the clan and make a new one with more or less the same people. What I don't see a lot in this community is dedication. Everyone wants to win, but can't be patient to get there. Getting a team is not about getting the top 5 players and raging at them for not working together. It's about developing team work, player chemestry and trust. -
That's how I run my shiz son. Completly agree with it.
To add, when it comes to my team mates, I rather have happy than loyal team mates. Loyal means you feel bad for wanting to leave etc, it's not what I want. I like my team mates to be happy, so they wouldn't want to leave. For a team to stick around you need to be more than a team. As cheesy as it sounds and it is online, but you gotta actually like the guys you're playing with. They need personality, humor and maturity.
I'm happy and I hope I am right to say that, my team are at the stage where if we got a problem, we work it out. If a member is concerned about something or causing discomfort, I won't cut him and get the next try out in line. We're all gonna sit down and talk, like we've done in the past. To achieve a team connection like this you need mature and intellegent members, which are hard to find. But if you as a Team Leader send off that vibe about yourself, then the right members will come to you.
I see a lot of teams disbanding for stupid reasons. They get together, play a couple of good teams and loose and then they delete the clan and make a new one with more or less the same people. What I don't see a lot in this community is dedication. Everyone wants to win, but can't be patient to get there. Getting a team is not about getting the top 5 players and raging at them for not working together. It's about developing team work, player chemestry and trust.
Couldn't have said it any better. This is how it SHOULD be with every team. -
The big problem here is that all the euro's (whom i know on this thread) already know their stuff. (saranghae,mart,nip, waz) and all have been in the same team for quite some time. The people that DO need to read this thread arent the ones reading it.
I completely agree about the ''goals'' part. I set up my wogl team this season, making the team 3 hours before the deadline. I decided, after seeing our group- that we should aim for play-offs. After loosing to NsN* (horrible match for us) , we could easily have folded there. But, we kept strong, went into the match against CEFO( big big eu team) knowing that unless a miracle happened, we would loose. What happened? CEFO got their times messed up, we got the default win. Just shows how things can turn unexpectendly in your favour. Now, we're looking strong for a place in the play offs.
I think we're a great example to any team looking to join future tournaments. Didnt have any preparations, but we've practised hard - attended every match and its payed dividends. My advice to anyone making a team - just don't disband it. You are never going to improve by moving and moving, stick with the team. Learn the strats, make the chemistry and help each other in the team. -
The big problem here is that all the euro's (whom i know on this thread) already know their stuff. (saranghae,mart,nip, waz) and all have been in the same team for quite some time. The people that DO need to read this thread arent the ones reading it.
I completely agree about the ''goals'' part. I set up my wogl team this season, making the team 3 hours before the deadline. I decided, after seeing our group- that we should aim for play-offs. After loosing to NsN* (horrible match for us) , we could easily have folded there. But, we kept strong, went into the match against CEFO( big big eu team) knowing that unless a miracle happened, we would loose. What happened? CEFO got their times messed up, we got the default win. Just shows how things can turn unexpectendly in your favour. Now, we're looking strong for a place in the play offs.
I think we're a great example to any team looking to join future tournaments. Didnt have any preparations, but we've practised hard - attended every match and its payed dividends. My advice to anyone making a team - just don't disband it. You are never going to improve by moving and moving, stick with the team. Learn the strats, make the chemistry and help each other in the team.
The main reason for disband can be in a few factors:
1. Leader is not puting effort in the clan, such as making practises times, recruiting some lt's, recruiting members etc.
2. Members v Members, this is one factor that disband's clan, one person doesnt get along with another. Theres no respect.
3. Members are not bothered, they'r rude, ungrateful and a waste of time.
4. Some clan's have no teamwork
In my experience of clans which is alot
I feel stable in Converse.
You need a good leader whos going to put time and effort in the clan, for it to start working.
Many members of the EU Community don't stick with ONE team,
They move by the hour, its ridiculous, people are trying very hard (Proportion of Community) to get EU On the SCENE.
It's a let down, when people are putting alot of effort for something many people dont understand. -
But if the leader isnt around then other members need to step up.
Like,in Bad Taste , hasch was always busy. Pete and greengiant (and i think snookie was here for a while?) were never on(they were lieuts). Me and Will stepped up. Doing practises, getting people to join, organizing scrims, calling strats etc. We kept that clan going for more than a year than it should've. -
But if the leader isnt around then other members need to step up.
Pete and greengiant (and i think snookie was here for a while?) were never on(they were lieuts)..
Mommy kicked me out of the house lived by my girlfiend and my dad for a while that time lol
OT: I agree on pretty much everything you posted mart. Nice to see that you put so much afford in the eu community.
Most people always try to get in clans wich are above their level and wich been around for a while, instead of staying in a team and grow with it.
Also i think the language barrier is a huge issue. People fail to communicate with each other for example telling them about themself and stuff they do in their freetime . I noticed that in the eu pugs, they called spots out nice but as soon you ask them something different they are just like "uhhhhm" or try to tell you something you wont understand and ur just like ahh ok. lol -
Mommy kicked me out of the house lived by my girlfiend and my dad for a while that time lol
OT: I agree on pretty much everything you posted mart. Nice to see that you put so much afford in the eu community.
Most people always try to get in clans wich are above their level and wich been around for a while, instead of staying in a team and grow with it.
Also i think the language barrier is a huge issue. People fail to communicate with each other for example telling them about themself and stuff they do in their freetime . I noticed that in the eu pugs, they called spots out nice but as soon you ask them something different they are just like "uhhhhm" or try to tell you something you wont understand and ur just like ahh ok. lol
that's cause most people that play games live a boring lifestyle. either work/school/homework/games. most do not have a talent and do not read much so they have nothing to talk about rather than the game itself
so by asking a personal question they are entitled to their "umm" considering all they probably do is wake up, eat and get on to play lol -
that's cause most people that play games live a boring lifestyle. either work/school/homework/games. most do not have a talent and do not read much so they have nothing to talk about rather than the game itself
so by asking a personal question they are entitled to their "umm" considering all they probably do is wake up, eat and get on to play lol
Totally agree -
that's cause most people that play games live a boring lifestyle. either work/school/homework/games. most do not have a talent and do not read much so they have nothing to talk about rather than the game itself
so by asking a personal question they are entitled to their "umm" considering all they probably do is wake up, eat and get on to play lol
Well thats possible but not the case most of the time i hope lol.
I just noticed it often in the pugs they try to say something but you dont get a single word.
Hell it even happens to me sometimes i want to say something but then im like "afffffffffffff what was the word again" and then ill just say nothing -
Great to see some who think the same as i do , about that higher clan thingy *(snookie) , as long as you feel welcome you can learnn alooooooottt from clans that are better then you. So thats not always a bad thing.
This is a guide for everyone that wants to make or are in a competitive team. -
Great to see some who think the same as i do , about that higher clan thingy *(snookie) , as long as you feel welcome you can learnn alooooooottt from clans that are better then you. So thats not always a bad thing.
This is a guide for everyone that wants to make or are in a competitive team.
No you got me wrong there.
I mean if you are in a team have good chemistry in there and you just leave them for the chance to rosterride a better team instead of practicing and trying to improve -
No you got me wrong there.
I mean if you are in a team have good chemistry in there and you just leave them for the chance to rosterride a better team instead of practicing and trying to improve
it's a given that if you play with better players you will get better at a much faster pace than whilst playing with people of your caliber or below. eventually the "roster rider" will be a part of the team just like any of the members.
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