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ORLY? Let's 1v1 than. You use M9 and I use skill lite?
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J/K ) > In soviet russia the cake is true.
Theres a difference between knowing how to use a gun, and simply being screwed.
That match would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. -
This is exactly the same here. There is a difference between a balanced, con + pro gun and an OP all rang, over nine thousand a second ROF, feather weight, large clip, no recoil, high power piece of cheat. It's like taking a gun to a plasmagun fight.BoredKitty wrote: »Theres a difference between knowing how to use a gun, and simply being screwed.
That match would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. -
This is exactly the same here. There is a difference between a balanced, con + pro gun and an OP all rang, over nine thousand a second ROF, feather weight, large clip, no recoil, high power piece of cheat. It's like taking a gun to a plasmagun fight.
Depending on the map you could probably counter it with an Awm from far away, or an Xm8 through some boxes.
As long as its not an entire team of m12's. -
You can't counter it with an AWM since it's as prescise as an M4 and shoots with 9000/s ROF. Well, you actually can, but you need running around, hiding and tearing your butthole in two in order to take down the M12 noob. While he just has to ducktape the left mouse button and look in your general direction. This making me say the following: You need an ENORMOUS amout of skill as a sniper to be able to take down M12 noobs effictively. While they need 0 skill in order to bring down an enormous amount of people in seconds.
EDIT: Once again, it's like M9 and SL. If you're using M9, you will, eventually, take down the scar lighter a couple of times (that if you play TD and just spam wound him a lot, and run). While he, can take you down in a matter of seconds. -
You can't counter it with an AWM since it's as prescise as an M4 and shoots with 9000/s ROF. Well, you actually can, but you need running around, hiding and tearing your butthole in two in order to take down the M12 noob. While he just has to ducktape the left mouse button and look in your general direction. This making me say the following: You need an ENORMOUS amout of skill as a sniper to be able to take down M12 noobs effictively. While they need 0 skill in order to bring down an enormous amount of people in seconds.
WOAH WOAH WOAH!
Wait!
It takes an ENORMOUS ammount of skill to take down a predictable-12 year old spraying a gun.
If you see where he normally rushes, just aim at long distance, and bam, problem sovled. -
Do this when you have 2 Scar Lights spraying, frag nades flying around you, a rival sniper ready to pierce a hole in your skull, a dosen of smoke nades, and you'll understand what I have to deal with everyday.BoredKitty wrote: »WOAH WOAH WOAH!
Wait!
It takes an ENORMOUS ammount of skill to take down a predictable-12 year old spraying a gun.
If you see where he normally rushes, just aim at long distance, and bam, problem sovled. -
Do this when you have 2 Scar Lights spraying, frag nades flying around you, a rival sniper ready to pierce a hole in your skull, a dosen of smoke nades, and you'll understand what I have to deal with everyday.
Your describing a TD, chances are, you have the same m12's or scar lites on your side as well.
I was talking about an S and D, where those problems can be taken care of, after the m12. -
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Wrong.BorN_FroM_DusT wrote: »lol im not reading this long paragraph. All gus shoot through boxes, the only guns that does 100% through boxes is winchester and xm8.
The regular xm8 doesn't do 100%, only the xm8-adv.
Also, the mp5 does 100%.
How is SnD a noob mode? You must be naive.E.M. (AKA Noob Mode) < SnD (AKA Noob Mode with a bomb) < Anything IMO. -
SnD doesn't have respawn. Thus it doesn't has constanct action nor competitivity like the origin of competitive gaming: Quake. The so called "competitive" people who play SnD are posers. Basically, SnD is just plain boring.Wrong.
The regular xm8 doesn't do 100%, only the xm8-adv.
Also, the mp5 does 100%.
How is SnD a noob mode? You must be naive. -
Radicalace2 wrote: »someones jealous of 30-4 FFA games...
This would not happen vs me or anyone else who isn't an idiot. Your head would be poppin' off across the map before your nooby spray could hit anyone.
Why don't you post your profile so people know what kind of kdr a m12 can get them. -
How about competitive in a general sense? It's the mode most suited for strategy and teamwork, as well as just pure aim.SnD doesn't have respawn. Thus it doesn't has constanct action nor competitivity like the origin of competitive gaming: Quake. The so called "competitive" people who play SnD are posers. Basically, SnD is just plain boring. -
Once again, no. There's no better strategy than using respawn, AKA you have to plan your actions on the long run, because ennemies won't just run outta people. Also, aiming is way better in respawn modes, especially because the gaming experience is quicker and because you need to aim good AND fast if you want to stay alive. Not SnD camping. SnD is for people who can't handle the stress of a continuous battle, or who ain't got a quick finger trigger.How about competitive in a general sense? It's the mode most suited for strategy and teamwork, as well as just pure aim.
I can't not agree that SnD got beautiful competitive scene, but I can't say that it's better than a TD. And it surely does not outstands Quake's CTF or DeathMatch. And I'm not even talking about a Classic Doom deathmatch. Nothing is more satisfying than winning a duel chainsaw vs BFG9K. -
You do realise on CF, it's hard to put together a strategy on TDM maps. Many maps can simply be base-camped, and the furthest you'll go for strats IMO will be how long you wait in the base. Because of reg or how the weapons perform, two large teams can simply be spraying and fragging that way. Nades in TDM are ridiculous and are somewhat overpowered.Once again, no. There's no better strategy than using respawn, AKA you have to plan your actions on the long run, because ennemies won't just run outta people. Also, aiming is way better in respawn modes, especially because the gaming experience is quicker and because you need to aim good AND fast if you want to stay alive. Not SnD camping. SnD is for people who can't handle the stress of a continuous battle, or who ain't got a quick finger trigger.
I can't not agree that SnD got beautiful competitive scene, but I can't say that it's better than a TD. And it surely does not outstands Quake's CTF or DeathMatch. And I'm not even talking about a Classic Doom deathmatch. Nothing is more satisfying than winning a duel chainsaw vs BFG9K.
SnD creates pressure. Again, it incorporates teamwork, and other factors. It's not simply the quicker trigger finger anymore - there's positioning, etc. While there might be stress from constantly firing in TDM, I have more respect for the player who can create the shot they need when they need it in SnD.
Plan actions in the long run? You switch up tactics in SnD. -
1. You're bad at shooters.
Because you support the M12 as you actually get frags with it.
2. You're bad.
Because you hate the Shovel as it's not free for you to obtain.
NOOOB just get free zp i dont pay a thing plus i use katana not shovel! its better, more fun, and considered pr0! -
NoobExplode wrote: »This would not happen vs me or anyone else who isn't an idiot. Your head would be poppin' off across the map before your nooby spray could hit anyone.
Why don't you post your profile so people know what kind of kdr a m12 can get them.
i dont spray noob. m12 is almost dead accurate at range so single shots get hs all the time across monaco, mexico, you name it. i dont spray, thats just stupid, and like i said, wastes the m12's ammo really quickly. -
You can't counter it with an AWM since it's as prescise as an M4 and shoots with 9000/s ROF. Well, you actually can, but you need running around, hiding and tearing your butthole in two in order to take down the M12 noob. While he just has to ducktape the left mouse button and look in your general direction. This making me say the following: You need an ENORMOUS amout of skill as a sniper to be able to take down M12 noobs effictively. While they need 0 skill in order to bring down an enormous amount of people in seconds.
EDIT: Once again, it's like M9 and SL. If you're using M9, you will, eventually, take down the scar lighter a couple of times (that if you play TD and just spam wound him a lot, and run). While he, can take you down in a matter of seconds.
THE SCAR LIGHT SUCKS!!!! i dont know why its so expensive/high rank req because its SUCKS BALLZ!!! decent accuracy, poor damage (for an assualt rifle) recoil is ok but the pattern is really unpredictable, its reload speed is sh*t, its rof is too slow to be any good in CQC, and to burst at long range, i would know i used it for a couple weeks, and play noobs with it all the time. idk why people think its so great. -
Radicalace2 wrote: »Is the M12s. (Not counting boxes and coupons etc.) Undoubtedly. That's not to say that there aren't some really amazing guns out there. Runners up include the SG552, SCAR Light, TAR-21, QBZ-95, XM8, and the M4A1. Of course, there are still some other good guns, and I didn't include shotguns, snipers, pistols, and most other SMGs suck except box ones like the Kriss and Thompson.
What makes it so amazing? It's biggest pro is its moveshot, which is quite frankly, better than almost every gun out there. It's accuracy, for an SMG, is actually very good. Combined with its low recoil, and surprisingly high damage, single/burst shots can annihilate enemies across any map in mere seconds. (Snipers will have a hard time getting off a shot as their crosshair moves too much when they get shot) I think of it as an AK-47, with a faster fire rate, more stability, and more ammo. It's high damage combined with it's high fire rate, as well at it's low recoil make it practically invincible in CQC. Of course, it's also just a matter of your skill, and your preferred weapon of choice. A TAR-21 master might do much better with a TAR-21 than with an M12s, they're 2 very different weapons. But if 2 people with equal skill in using the TAR-21 and the M12s fight, the M12s will probably win. But that's not to say that the M12s doesn't have cons as well.
Although it has a 40 shot clip, it only has 2 extras, and its fast fire rate makes you run out of ammo faster than most people would like. That said, it's not a very good Mutation Mode weapon. Another con is it's lack of a scope. You can't, unfortunetly, spray full auto scoped-in bursts across maps and still have dead accuracy, like you can with the TAR-21, M4A1 Custom, SG552, etc. You can only use this weapon effectively at long range in bursts or single shots. It's also harder to hit the little heads of snipers peeking up over walls across the map without a scope. A final con is that since it's pretty cheap, and doesn't take a lot of skill, people will always call you a M12s noob if you call them a ZP noob or something. That said, a pr0 with an M12s is pretty good.
Personally, I think this weapon excels at FFA (Free For All) mode. It's ability to make easy kills at long range is great if you never know where the enemy will be. It's high fire rate makes it easy to quickly respond to an enemy attack at close range. Also, it's light weight as an SMG means if you need to move, it's not necessary to take out your knife (or ZP noob melee weapon) and let your guard down. Finally, it has a, maybe not amazing, but decent reload speed, so if you're caught with low ammo and only have a few seconds of cover, don't worry- it's not an M60!
So if you have some spare GP, or just feel like trying a new weapon out for size, pick up and M12s in the Item Shop today- you'll be glad you did!
On a side note, the rank requirement isn't TOO high, and it's only like 45k GP or something. Low on GP? After you log into the Z8Games website, click Deposit, go to Earn Free ZP, do some offers (the surveys are too hard to complete, personally I go for the downloads, especially GameVance), and trade in your ZP for more GP! You get more of your favorite weapons, and don't get called a ZP noob because you still use GP items! If you're skeptical as to how well those offer work, just know that I've gotten nearly 30k ZP from free offers. Remember, if you didn't get your ZP, go to Offer Status and report it!
Hope some of this helps!
-Radicalace2 (add me if you see me!)
P.S. If you think this weapon is a nooby, cheap gun or whatever, then BUY IT YOURSELF! I mean, if it's a Katana or something, it's ok to call it cheap because not everyone can get ZP. But if its a cheap gun that you could easily get, just get your own instead of calling it's users noobs. SO many times does this happen:
Noob with a SCARL: OMG its a noob with an M12s! What a noob!
Me: M12s FTW lol
Noob with a SCARL: FK u just killed me 5 times in a row with it!!!!!111!!1shift11!!
Me: Lol i know its a pr0 gun right?
Noob with a SCARL: No! are you ****ing me? it's so cheap. everyone who uses it has an unfair advantage!!
Me: THEN YOUR GET YOUR OWN, DUMBSH*T! it's not like it's an axe or anything...
So gtfo to you SCARL noobs out there (it's not even that amazing anyway, so stop being so conceited!"
You. Trashcan. Now. -
Why do you use the M12 then?Radicalace2 wrote: »NOOOB just get free zp i dont pay a thing plus i use katana not shovel! its better, more fun, and considered pr0!
You're probably some preteen kid who sounds like a chick and whose favorite subject at school is sport. -
Radicalace2 wrote: »i dont spray noob. m12 is almost dead accurate at range so single shots get hs all the time across monaco, mexico, you name it. i dont spray, thats just stupid, and like i said, wastes the m12's ammo really quickly.
All I'm saying is your kdr has to be terrible. And if you think m12 gets hs better than any of the good rifles, then you're sadly mistaken. I'm gonna need to see proof before I start buying that. Start with showing your profile or post a vid. If I see pro-ness, then I'll be more than happy to apologize for giving you a hard time. -
NoobExplode wrote: »All I'm saying is your kdr has to be terrible. And if you think m12 gets hs better than any of the good rifles, then you're sadly mistaken. I'm gonna need to see proof before I start buying that. Start with showing your profile or post a vid. If I see pro-ness, then I'll be more than happy to apologize for giving you a hard time.
ill try to post a vid. i havent used the m12 in a while cuz i just got the tar21 and rpk, so ill need to practice a bit, and keep in mind i have basic fraps so only 30 sec+ per vid. ill see what i can do.
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