Sickness of CF. Debate here please. Thanks
Well I will try to separate the sickness of CF in different paragraph , but can be in some way linked so that we don`t get lost in the main sickness.
First step is how to eliminate the hackers .
CF has Game guard to reduce the biggest part of it then the rest are left to the Ban system .So , All threads related to GG and Ban has shown that here on the forum that they are supposed to be ( not perfect but ) good enough to deal with the hackers . So let it be and leave that matter to those concerned by .
Second step is how to eliminate the whiners.
This is where the biggest problems come from. Whiners are those who will make provoke your kick from a game " I am sure no one here likes to be kicked " .If I consider the community of the forum user , I don`t see any of them here " IF I an wrong correct me
". Then if I am wright , where are they ? " they are in the Game and have or will never come here ". So please try to propose a way to get them here so that they learn from (Game guides threads) on how to understand that not all are hackers and that they need to accept that there are people better than them and learn from those veteran here .
Third step is how to eliminate the unfair kick.
Most of us will say " now you must get use of it and stop QQing here ETC,ETC." So why should we legit players suffer from that unfair kick ? Why do we have to see our time wasted and lose our experience and GPs gone because of that kick? The answer is " Take off the kick system and let the whiners yell until their throat get the pain that our butts got use to , by their unfair and abused kick". Why should they not suffer a little bit in our place and forced to come here like us to say their pain ? When they will be here all we have to do, is to lead their steps to the ( Game guides threads ).
Fourth steps is " what to do with the hackers if we don`t have a Kick system ?"
Simple , we just report them to the concerned people . ( as we said above that the ban system works well then more hackers will got banned cause the only way to get rid of then will rest in the hands of the MODs . Now
poor MODs , they will have so many complains and reports to check that it will their time to go to Z8 and YELL so loud that one day finally Z8 will be bound (or) to put more people on the Ban work system to cope with the situation ( or ) to find another anti-hack that do better than Game guard.
Don`t tell me that the kick system keep hackers away , no it only make the hackers move to another room same as us legit players .We must report them in mass and only without the kick system that this will happen.
Finally to eliminate all those things that we do like .
WE MUST BE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE AND PUSH Z8 TO REACT AND CURE THE PLAGUE .
Now please if you don`t understand any point or what ever , please feel free to ask questions and I will make a pleasure to give an answer to you with a smile .NO NEED TO FLAME . My pit bull bites
First step is how to eliminate the hackers .
CF has Game guard to reduce the biggest part of it then the rest are left to the Ban system .So , All threads related to GG and Ban has shown that here on the forum that they are supposed to be ( not perfect but ) good enough to deal with the hackers . So let it be and leave that matter to those concerned by .
Second step is how to eliminate the whiners.
This is where the biggest problems come from. Whiners are those who will make provoke your kick from a game " I am sure no one here likes to be kicked " .If I consider the community of the forum user , I don`t see any of them here " IF I an wrong correct me
". Then if I am wright , where are they ? " they are in the Game and have or will never come here ". So please try to propose a way to get them here so that they learn from (Game guides threads) on how to understand that not all are hackers and that they need to accept that there are people better than them and learn from those veteran here .Third step is how to eliminate the unfair kick.
Most of us will say " now you must get use of it and stop QQing here ETC,ETC." So why should we legit players suffer from that unfair kick ? Why do we have to see our time wasted and lose our experience and GPs gone because of that kick? The answer is " Take off the kick system and let the whiners yell until their throat get the pain that our butts got use to , by their unfair and abused kick". Why should they not suffer a little bit in our place and forced to come here like us to say their pain ? When they will be here all we have to do, is to lead their steps to the ( Game guides threads ).
Fourth steps is " what to do with the hackers if we don`t have a Kick system ?"
Simple , we just report them to the concerned people . ( as we said above that the ban system works well then more hackers will got banned cause the only way to get rid of then will rest in the hands of the MODs . Now
poor MODs , they will have so many complains and reports to check that it will their time to go to Z8 and YELL so loud that one day finally Z8 will be bound (or) to put more people on the Ban work system to cope with the situation ( or ) to find another anti-hack that do better than Game guard.Don`t tell me that the kick system keep hackers away , no it only make the hackers move to another room same as us legit players .We must report them in mass and only without the kick system that this will happen.
Finally to eliminate all those things that we do like .
WE MUST BE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE AND PUSH Z8 TO REACT AND CURE THE PLAGUE .
Now please if you don`t understand any point or what ever , please feel free to ask questions and I will make a pleasure to give an answer to you with a smile .NO NEED TO FLAME . My pit bull bites
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Well I will try to separate the sickness of CF in different paragraph , but can be in some way linked so that we don`t get lost in the main sickness.
First step is how to eliminate the hackers .
CF has Game guard to reduce the biggest part of it then the rest are left to the Ban system .So , All threads related to GG and Ban has shown that here on the forum that they are supposed to be ( not perfect but ) good enough to deal with the hackers . So let it be and leave that matter to those concerned by .
Second step is how to eliminate the whiners.
This is where the biggest problems come from. Whiners are those who will make provoke your kick from a game " I am sure no one here likes to be kicked " .If I consider the community of the forum user , I don`t see any of them here " IF I an wrong correct me ". Then if I am wright , where are they ? " they are in the Game and have or will never come here ". So please try to propose a way to get them here so that they learn from (Game guides threads) on how to understand that not all are hackers and that they need to accept that there are people better than them and learn from those veteran here .
Third step is how to the unfair kick.
Most of us will say " now you must get use of it and stop QQing here ETC,ETC." So why should we legit players suffer from that unfair kick ? Why do we have to see our time wasted and lose our experience and GPs gone because of that kick? The answer is " Take off the kick system and let the whiners yell until their throat get the pain that our butts got use to , by their unfair and abused kick". Why should they not suffer a little bit in our place and forced to come here like us to say their pain ? When they will be here all we have to do, is to lead their steps to the ( Game guides threads ).
Fourth steps is " what to do with the hackers if we don`t have a Kick system ?"
Simple , we just report them to the concerned people . ( as we said above that the ban system works well then more hackers will got banned cause the only way to get rid of then will rest in the hands of the MODs . Now
Don`t tell me that the kick system keep hackers away , no it only make the hackers move to another room same as us legit players .We must report them in mass and only without the kick system that this will happen.
poor MODs , they will so many complains and reports to check that it will their time to go to Z8 and YELL so loud that one day finally Z8 will be bound (or) to put more people on the Ban work system to cope with the situation ( or ) to find another anti-hack that do better than Game guard.
Finally to eliminate all those things that we do like .
WE MUST BE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE AND PUSH Z8 TO REACT AND CURE THE PLAGUE .
Now please if you don`t understand any point or what ever , please feel free to ask questions and I will make a pleasure to give an answer toy with a smile .NO NEED TO FLAME . My pit bull bites
yeah! Remove the kick system and let the cheaters earn the GP and EXP that they do not deserve:rolleyes: -
So you are telling me that you prefer to lose your exp and GP by being kicked constantly and let them move from one room to another and continue their way ? Have you read well all and make the link to each paragraph ?yeah! Remove the kick system and let the cheaters earn the GP and EXP that they do not deserve:rolleyes:
Did you noticed that more often legit players are kicked and the real hackers stay in game ? -
obviously, the part where legits get kicked more often than the cheats in the game is just common. I mostly get voted out faster than a guy that walls like hell but just has a serious aim fail making him make less kills than i can.
Result: i'll be kicked faster and more than any cheater will ever be. Atleast when you saw a guy speedhack you could say: thats cheat, but for most QQ'ers these days: Anyone better than "them" or able to kill more people and keep a nice K/D = cheats.
So.. even though im legit, i am a cheat according to a majority of the people. Gues what, i dont give a damn anymore, i see guys wallhack like crazy, i save replay, make screens and let my brother report them. While i tell other team to vote them the cheat himself will start scream: kick mahow, he hack. Eventualy i get kicked out before the game end and i cant save/watch replay cos i just dont get to chance for it. Sad huh? welcome to crossfire, little kids with big mouths and less brains run the game. Cheats run wild and all the legit players that dont accuse the next best guy from cheats, we get voted out for "cheating"
Best game ever, hopefuly when eu comes, some things will change.. but i have little faith in that.
Just keep reporting i gues, maybe one day they'll be borred of cheating and go haunt some other game.
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So you are telling me that you prefer to lose your exp and GP by being kicked constantly and let them move from one room to another and continue their way ? Have you read well all and make the link to each paragraph ?
Did you noticed that more often legit players are kicked and the real hackers stay in game ?
Yup, i rather being kicked that playing against cheaters the whole time...
I dont need to, this idea have been suggested over and over again...
If you didn't tell me , I would have never noticed that, we all know that..
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That is a terrible idea. Who cares if you get kicked. 300 exp and 200 GP doesn't even matter.
Really ? It is NOT about getting kicked once a week because of some lucky streak, it is about getting kicked almost every time you play, because you pwn little QQ kids and they just vote kick you and great CF community automatically clicks F11
So it really does matter.
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Yup, i rather being kicked that playing against cheaters the whole time...
I dont need to, this idea have been suggested over and over again...
If you didn't tell me , I would have never noticed that, we all know that..
I don`t know why , but it gives me the impression that there some guys who like to kick the ACE for some reason and without the kick system I begin to ask myself how would they do this.
contrary to you " excuse me SIR " I would prefer to play and end the game with a cheater so that anyone can save the replay and report him and if the work of the GMs are as it is said , that same cheater will not be in game next time. and at a moment all cheaters will be only with new acc and thus will enable any one to make the difference between a Hacker and a legit player " the legit player will continue having all his exp and GP and climb up in rank "
by the way the possibility of leaving the game will stay the same, so you can avoid the rooms where there are hackers if you don`t want to play with them . -
well seenReally ? It is NOT about getting kicked once a week because of some lucky streak, it is about getting kicked almost every time you play, because you pwn little QQ kids and they just vote kick you and great CF community automatically clicks F11
So it really does matter. he obviously don`t know what is being kicked 4/6 six times a day and being kicked at the moment of a game is 12/12 and he is ace.
F11 , kick him -
I don`t know why , but it gives me the impression that there some guys who like to kick the ACE for some reason and without the kick system I begin to ask myself how would they do this.
contrary to you " excuse me SIR " I would prefer to play and end the game with a cheater so that anyone can save the replay and report him and if the work of the GMs are as it is said , that same cheater will not be in game next time. and at a moment all cheaters will be only with new acc and thus will enable any one to make the difference between a Hacker and a legit player " the legit player will continue having all his exp and GP and climb up in rank "
by the way the possibility of leaving the game will stay the same, so you can avoid the rooms where there are hackers if you don`t want to play with them .
Excuse me sir, Unless devs find a way to prevent cheaters to simply create another account and play again, THIS IDEA WILL NOT WORK! -
He is proving my point, why removing the vote kick system when the problem is the community itself??
I agree with you in a point of the community... Everyone knows the problem over here is the community, I hope so.
But how would you like to deal with it otherwise then removing the faking vote kick system...
"Community" would be able just to cry, not to kick... Thats my point -
let`s say that you are married and have 5 kids and one or two of them does not line up with your expectations , what would do ? Ban them from your house or try to teach them the respect of the rules and watch them grow with your good guidance ?He is proving my point, why removing the vote kick system when the problem is the community itself?? -
A fundamental problem is trying to make an FPS go MMO. FPS demands fast connections, reflexes and response times. This just simply doesn't work between someone from australia and someone from texas. CS:S works because there are tons of servers available on Steam at any given time, allowing you to choose servers that give you 50ms ping or less. Once you understand how lag works, you will win, hard.
Open up the big map with "~" and try moving. You will notice your position on the big map shift AFTER you move. That's your immunity window when you step out of a corner to shoot someone. If your reaction time is within .5s you will be fine. -
10 good points;)I agree with you in a point of the community... Everyone knows the problem over here is the community, I hope so.
But how would you like to deal with it otherwise then removing the faking vote kick system...
"Community" would be able just to cry, not to kick... Thats my point -
A fundamental problem is trying to make an FPS go MMO. FPS demands fast connections, reflexes and response times. This just simply doesn't work between someone from australia and someone from texas. CS:S works because there are tons of servers available on Steam at any given time, allowing you to choose servers that give you 50ms ping or less. Once you understand how lag works, you will win, hard.
Open up the big map with "~" and try moving. You will notice your position on the big map shift AFTER you move. That's your immunity window when you step out of a corner to shoot someone. If your reaction time is within .5s you will be fine.
:eek: Sorry sir we don`t have pizza but we can provide you a bottle of RUM that can even run a car in case you lack some petrol to continue your way .:D -
let`s say that you are married and have 5 kids and one or two of them does not line up with your expectations , what would do ? Ban them from your house or try to teach them the respect of the rules and watch them grow with your good guidance ?
I would try to teach them, but if they do not want to listen, it's their problem... -
Although I agree with most of what's said. About QQ'ers, about legit players being kicked (Myself being one of those, kicked from every game). I would say that unless GameGuard steps the hell up, then nothing will be done about it. There's nothing Z8 can do about it to be honest, they're just the hosting company to be honest, along with devs and such, they don't really deal with Hack prevention, thats Gameguards job, that's what they're getting payed for. Clearly they just need to step up to the job they're being payed to do.
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