Open a Server for Middle-East Players...
Before you guys come and call me racist i want to explain my idea. Since CF NA is CF West we have the situation that
alot of Europeans came to this game.
That Fusion should be done years ago but thats not the point. This game has now a bigger community and alot of them wants to play competetive of course.
But the situation is that the majority of the players are from Middle-East and alot of them have to play the game with Ping of 100 or more. In my opinion this destroys completly the game when every second player is flying around because of the high pings.
Disadvantages for the Players with Low Pings:
These are just some disadvantages. In my opinion its the best if Z8 opens 1 or 2 Servers Middle East and close 1 or 2 Servers in UK. (NO HIGHER COSTS)
It will be a WIN WIN situation for Europeans and Middle East Players. Both of them will have more fun and this might be have positive effects for the game and the money it makes...
alot of Europeans came to this game.
That Fusion should be done years ago but thats not the point. This game has now a bigger community and alot of them wants to play competetive of course.
But the situation is that the majority of the players are from Middle-East and alot of them have to play the game with Ping of 100 or more. In my opinion this destroys completly the game when every second player is flying around because of the high pings.
Disadvantages for the Players with Low Pings:
- It takes more time to kill a lagging Player than killing a Player with "normal" ping.
- You're wasting more bullets because you need more time to kill.
- Lagging team players can "boost" you into walls where you get Error and DC's
- Sound lags making sound-gaming impossible.
- In Ranked Matches teammates are getting DC's and a fair Ranked game is not possible.
- You can get killed by a Lagger without seeing him.
- If your killed by a lagger your deadbody is flying to the point where the Lagger killed you. This Flying can cause DC's
- Its easier to get killed by a Lagger who uses a sniper because when he lags we freeze in his client and we can get killed easier.
- Sniping is much harder for Non-Laggers.
- Some Players lag so hard that you cant kill them during your busy with killing this lagger a non lagger can kill you easily.
These are just some disadvantages. In my opinion its the best if Z8 opens 1 or 2 Servers Middle East and close 1 or 2 Servers in UK. (NO HIGHER COSTS)
It will be a WIN WIN situation for Europeans and Middle East Players. Both of them will have more fun and this might be have positive effects for the game and the money it makes...
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actually there would be higher costs. they'd have to license out the rights for the ME area likely regardless of if it's just adding servers to our version or a full new client. and then work with yet another company to host servers in the area. The only way to negate costs would be to just take 2 servers and 'rename' them to be called ME/Egy servers but that wouldn't solve any issues for them and then you'd also have to get players to play in those servers and without a noticeable reduction in lag it's doubtful any of them would play in any other servers even if you did simply just rename one as MOST CF players don't seem to read, yes even the ones who have no problems with English.
If you want a sure fire way to change it up...they'd need their own client version but at this point in time I highly doubt the devs will be licensing out new CF clients especially for regions which would almost have to be managed regionally as the operation costs for say Z8 or other companies that already publish a CF client version.
In other words....it's quite unlikely to happen. This is also why the competitive players usually stick to a particular server and channel so that most of the people in that channel end up being people that want to try hard and not have to worry about connectivity based issues between players. They can also start using the Discord and/or the forums to organize regular matches.
On top of all of that. if they start expanding servers to areas like ME region, which would be something quite a few people want....but then the OCEANIC player base would be pushing more and more for servers to better serve them as they do already request them from time to time. Then other groups might request one for them and so on.
But you are right. It would be nice to see and i'm sure the ME player base would love it as would the NAers, UKers, EUers. especially within the competitive scene.... -
I think they dont have "licensing costs" since Smilegate is running CrossFire NA in 2014 or they show it as licensing costs to save taxes.
Its usual that companies sell licenes to their subsidiaries to save costs.
Also CF UK servers got moved to Germany but it was still called CF UK.
Or they could open a server for example in Italy and could call it South Europe Server. im sure there are possibilities. -
I don't know how you came up with this logic. You have no idea how this game works and, as a result, you wrote gibberish stuff which left a very bad image about you in my mind and I can't erase it. Next time research extensively before posting a nonsense on internet.DelBosque76 wrote: »Before you guys come and call me racist i want to explain my idea. Since CF NA is CF West we have the situation that
alot of Europeans came to this game.
That Fusion should be done years ago but thats not the point. This game has now a bigger community and alot of them wants to play competetive of course.
But the situation is that the majority of the players are from Middle-East and alot of them have to play the game with Ping of 100 or more. In my opinion this destroys completly the game when every second player is flying around because of the high pings.
Disadvantages for the Players with Low Pings:- It takes more time to kill a lagging Player than killing a Player with "normal" ping.
- You're wasting more bullets because you need more time to kill.
- Lagging team players can "boost" you into walls where you get Error and DC's
- Sound lags making sound-gaming impossible.
- In Ranked Matches teammates are getting DC's and a fair Ranked game is not possible.
- You can get killed by a Lagger without seeing him.
- If your killed by a lagger your deadbody is flying to the point where the Lagger killed you. This Flying can cause DC's
- Its easier to get killed by a Lagger who uses a sniper because when he lags we freeze in his client and we can get killed easier.
- Sniping is much harder for Non-Laggers.
- Some Players lag so hard that you cant kill them during your busy with killing this lagger a non lagger can kill you easily.
These are just some disadvantages. In my opinion its the best if Z8 opens 1 or 2 Servers Middle East and close 1 or 2 Servers in UK. (NO HIGHER COSTS)
It will be a WIN WIN situation for Europeans and Middle East Players. Both of them will have more fun and this might be have positive effects for the game and the money it makes... -
I don't know how you came up with this logic. You have no idea how this game works and, as a result, you wrote gibberish stuff which left a very bad image about you in my mind and I can't erase it. Next time research extensively before posting a nonsense on internet.
-1 this is such a bad idea now that we are already a bigger community since CFWE -
I don't know how you came up with this logic. You have no idea how this game works and, as a result, you wrote gibberish stuff which left a very bad image about you in my mind and I can't erase it. Next time research extensively before posting a nonsense on internet.
then you have never played with a low ping that you could understand this situation...
Have you ever played on CF EU how lagfree the servers were that you can explain that.
This servers here have 2 problems. Servers are laggy and the Players the half of the Players have 100+ ping.
Did you ever try to play another game with 100+ ping its unplayble except CF, here you get more benefits when youre lagging.Toxic;n6870714]
-1 this is such a bad idea now that we are already a bigger community since CFWE
my idea is not to split the communities its good that we are so many now but competetive should stay competetive.
But this game should be still playble. The Situation now is amazing if z8games doesnt do anything youll see how the europeans will leave this game again.
Just one ping restricted server would change alot... -
I don't think splitting the community even more is probably not the best solution at this time. So let's run through what will happen if Middle-East players get their own servers.
1) SG West removes of the existing servers and adds a server for Middle East Players.
2) Majority of the Middle East Players move to the server resulting in NA/EU servers less populated.
3) NA/EU players have some difficultly finding rooms on the NA/EU servers.
4) Since the Middle East servers is always full, SG West adds another server to meet the demands. So now we have 2 Middle East Servers.
5) More Middle East players move to the newer servers.
6) NA/EU players have even more difficultly finding rooms.
7) Both Middle East servers are regularly full.
8) SG West decides it's best to give Middle East players their own version.
9) Middle East players move to new version.
10) CF West barely has 1 channel full.
11) Players come to the forums and complain that there are no rooms to play in.
Now, this is purely based on my speculation and past experiences on how things will turn out. This is exactly what happened to the Brazilian players when they were in CFNA and I believe if a server gets implemented for Middle East players then those events will unfold. -
I don't think it's good to make a Middle East server, for reasons [USER="3653724"][MOD]Abel[/USER] mentioned above. They currently are a great % of the CFW community and really boost the player count. Although to me it's still weird the Middle East is part of CFW, they are a essential part of the activity. Although there shouldn't be a separate server for them, the ping issues most of the Middle East currently have should be fixed.
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[QUOTE=[MOD]Abel;n6870866]I don't think splitting the community even more is probably not the best solution at this time. So let's run through what will happen if Middle-East players get their own servers.
1) SG West removes of the existing servers and adds a server for Middle East Players.
2) Majority of the Middle East Players move to the server resulting in NA/EU servers less populated.
3) NA/EU players have some difficultly finding rooms on the NA/EU servers.
4) Since the Middle East servers is always full, SG West adds another server to meet the demands. So now we have 2 Middle East Servers.
5) More Middle East players move to the newer servers.
6) NA/EU players have even more difficultly finding rooms.
7) Both Middle East servers are regularly full.
8) SG West decides it's best to give Middle East players their own version.
9) Middle East players move to new version.
10) CF West barely has 1 channel full.
11) Players come to the forums and complain that there are no rooms to play in.
Now, this is purely based on my speculation and past experiences on how things will turn out. This is exactly what happened to the Brazilian players when they were in CFNA and I believe if a server gets implemented for Middle East players then those events will unfold. [/QUOTE]
Since you're admitting there are more ME players than NA/EU players, why aren't they prioritized? It only makes sense since your logic is based on the fact that a very very significant portion of the player base comes from the Middle East. -
Since you're admitting there are more ME players than NA/EU players, why aren't they prioritized? It only makes sense since your logic is based on the fact that a very very significant portion of the player base comes from the Middle East.
I think everyone knows that there is more Middle Eastern players than NA and UK which isn't a bad thing. This version supports North America, Europe, Middle East & Africa. Just because one region is greater in population than the other, that doesn't mean they should be prioritized. All communities will be treated equally which is under the CF West banner. -
Giving the egys an own server would probably mean we're back to the 1-2 full channels we had in CF EU
No youre forgetting the Players from Europe which registred in CF NA between 2009 and 2014. Theyre still a big community here. Youre also forgetting the players
which were boried from CF EU and left the game and came back with the release of CF West. Or imagine the amount of Players which got invited by Europeans playing CF NA but they couldnt play because European IPs were blocked. Now my friends in real life can play this game with me. So this game has a higher european Player increase than just the amount of CF EU Players migrated their accounts.
In ranked games now you can see that the 50% of the Players are from Europe (less ping than 50). On higher Ranks Platinum and up this rate might be higher.
I still wish a ping restristicton for Ranked Games, when youre ping is higher than 100.
And yeah Abel changed my mind but i do not agree in all points.
Since no one commented the disadvantages i mentioned on the topic i want to ask if you agree with the points i mentioned above.
https://www.bilder-upload.eu/upload/...1542406030.png (High Pings in Ranked) -
DelBosque76 wrote: »
No youre forgetting the Players from Europe which registred in CF NA between 2009 and 2014. [/URL]
Of course I was exaggerating a bit, but realistically, judging by the pings I see in my rooms, I'd say that like 50-70% of the players in TD and SND rooms are either turkish or egyptian.
Even with everything abel mentioned I think it wouldn't be as bad as he says. But coming from a version which only had about 1-2 full channels at best, I got to say I kinda enjoy having the choice between 10 filled channels rather than having to settle with the 20-50 rooms that were available in cf eu at many times.
A server just for egyptians would probably be the right thing, as they could play with a better ping and wouldn't have to annoy us with their egypings, but I'm pretty sure that would backfire on us more than most players would think. -
[QUOTE=[MOD]Abel;n6871262]
I think everyone knows that there is more Middle Eastern players than NA and UK which isn't a bad thing. This version supports North America, Europe, Middle East & Africa. Just because one region is greater in population than the other, that doesn't mean they should be prioritized. All communities will be treated equally which is under the CF West banner.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. If all communities are to be treated equally, how come we got an NA server and EU server but no ME server?
I haven't known cf long enough to know if the EU or NA server both came at the same time or if one came down the road but I'm assuming the latter -
Exactly. If all communities are to be treated equally, how come we got an NA server and EU server but no ME server?
I haven't known cf long enough to know if the EU or NA server both came at the same time or if one came down the road but I'm assuming the latter
Because EU was dead like NA, so when Eu merged they were offered a server probably the same ones they already had just transferred. Maybe in the future when na completely dies, ME will get their own servers, for now makes no sense since playerbase stretched out with ME being the vast majority would do harm to the other playerbase. -
Exactly. If all communities are to be treated equally, how come we got an NA server and EU server but no ME server?
I haven't known cf long enough to know if the EU or NA server both came at the same time or if one came down the road but I'm assuming the latter
There is more behind the scenes than just simply putting a server in the Middle East. There is some major factors which need to be considered; location, cost, quality, connectivity, management, support, legal issues, demand, requirements and much more.
At the same time, majority of the Middle Eastern players get decent ping on the EU servers. Not to mention, it was only recently CFNA/UK went to CF West.
After all this, there has been reports of the main ISP blocking the CrossFire connectivity in Egypt. -
We had THE EXACTLY same suggestion in CFEU forum when the Egyptians were in our version. We answer is the same. NO. I had friends from Egypt back then and the amount of racism they get everyday is HUGE. Like seriously try to think how an Egyptian is. I remember someone ( maybe it was a GM?) did an account AhmedXname and he was getting BULLLIED. Trust me on this and dont split. Thanks /-| t4sos
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[QUOTE=[MOD]Abel;n6871483]
There is more behind the scenes than just simply putting a server in the Middle East. There is some major factors which need to be considered; location, cost, quality, connectivity, management, support, legal issues, demand, requirements and much more.
At the same time, majority of the Middle Eastern players get decent ping on the EU servers. Not to mention, it was only recently CFNA/UK went to CF West.
After all this, there has been reports of the main ISP blocking the CrossFire connectivity in Egypt.[/QUOTE]
True. I'm basing my argument on games that have implemented ME servers (Rocket League and cs go for example) Now obviously I don't know what the server costs/availability is and I wouldn't want to go over to that subtopic since I would have no idea what I'm talking about. But when a significant portion of a community has no choice but either to have a 100+ ping or 200+ ping, there is room for improvement.
Theoretically, if an ME server would be established, it's very likely that more people from that region would hop on board CF for 2 reasons. Lack of competition since they don't have that many games to play in their own regional servers and that CF runs on wood pcs.oSasuke*** wrote: »
Because EU was dead like NA, so when Eu merged they were offered a server probably the same ones they already had just transferred. Maybe in the future when na completely dies, ME will get their own servers, for now makes no sense since playerbase stretched out with ME being the vast majority would do harm to the other playerbase.
It would make no sense to wait for a regional server to die then to implement another server in a different region. That's assuming ME players aren't going anywhere. -
True. I'm basing my argument on games that have implemented ME servers (Rocket League and cs go for example) Now obviously I don't know what the server costs/availability is and I wouldn't want to go over to that subtopic since I would have no idea what I'm talking about. But when a significant portion of a community has no choice but either to have a 100+ ping or 200+ ping, there is room for improvement.
Theoretically, if an ME server would be established, it's very likely that more people from that region would hop on board CF for 2 reasons. Lack of competition since they don't have that many games to play in their own regional servers and that CF runs on wood pcs.
It would make no sense to wait for a regional server to die then to implement another server in a different region. That's assuming ME players aren't going anywhere.
Even if there was a server located in Egypt (most likely location) for Middle Eastern players. How would you solve the issue with the main ISP provider restricting connectivity for players in Egypt for CrossFire? Having a new server will not solve this issue and that is currently why a lot of Egyptian players are receiving lag during the day due to their ISP provider. -
To the original poster, whoever calls you racist is an idiot, and they need to go pick up a dictionary. This game didn't "support" the Egyptian players. They just came into this game in large numbers, just like the Brazilian community did with other NA versions of games (which caused many of those games to die off, because these communities had lots of cheaters coming in also). Smilegate/Z8 like all other North American branches of foreign games, instead of doing the right thing by trying to keep the game catered to North America as much as possible, decided to follow the money, as they saw a potential to make more cash, even if it cost them in the end (as you can see with the declining playerbase and an influx of cheaters).
They also had this problem with the Brazilian community as they had lots of laggers and cheaters too back then due, and it caused a lot of problems in the game. They didn't do anything about it such as block IPs, as they only cared about the money, and have always only cared about the money. They only blocked IPs when they created the servers/region for Brazilian players, which should show you where this company's mindset is.
I think a lot of people here haven't played with a low ping, or haven't played against people with a ping 150+ higher than theirs. That or the fact that since the majority of players now have higher ping, so they don't care or don't want to care about people that are actually playing where they're supposed to be playing. It's literally impossible to play against higher pinged players, as sometimes your shots don't register or they shoot you from behind walls.
You guys can argue "just kill them!" all you want, you're not going to be at the top of your game everyday you play, and that's a sorry excuse to not do anything about the situation. It's even worse now because of VVIP guns and the fact the game peformance is getting worse due to game lag (my ping went from 8 to over 40 over the years). It's funny because they were the same people who complained about low ping players when there were more low ping players and would kick you out of games for it. (they still do).
For years alot of players like myself who have low pings asked for some type of implementation of ping-controlled rooms, or blocking IPs or even creating servers for Egyptians/Brazilians, but instead they chose to ignore it as like I said before, doing things for monetary gain at the cost of the community.
For those of you that say it's "going to divide the community", it's already divided since barely anybody speaks English in the chatbox anymore, or the fact that they have different communities/cultures in one game that, which won't mesh well. Or the fact that the community is now divided between low ping and high pinged players now. So that's a dumb argument, you're going to have to come up with something better than that. And no, Z8 doesn't "support" Egypt/Middle Eastern players.
They'll support the Middle East when they get their own server/ region. The only reason they haven't IP blocked Egypt/Middle East is because they know they're a sure cash grab, in an effort to make up money for lost domestic players, which still won't even make up for their lost cash. And Z8/Smilegate only has themselves to blame. They did the same thing with Brazilian players verbatim, so it doesn't surprise me what's happening now. Only difference now is they're losing even more money. They found a loophole, which they market the game as NORTH AMERICAN, while at the same time the game is majority middle eastern players, and also making a Crossfire Egypt webpage in Arabic on Facebook (I made a post about it a few years ago).
Z8 needs to be honest with themselves and stop the lying, and bite the bullet. They need to either: 1. Change the game name to Crossfire Middle East, Crossfire Global, or Crossfire International, 2. IP block the Middle East region, even though the damage has already been done. Like I said, all fault falls on Z8/Smilegate West, or 3. Make ways to avoid lagging players, such as a maximum ping bar for rooms.
The divide between players is there and will continue to be there until they stop being driven by money-making decisions, and do what's good for the game/community instead. -
You should know that you guys have to Join the right Servers, If I play on NA Servern I have a +100 Ping but if I play on UK I got a 23 Ping. It gives to much People who dont know how to use the Servers they Join any Random Servers.call me hayace? dog
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In my opinion, I do not think there is a divide in the community right now and anyone who plays the game enough knows that. I have made many friends from NA, UK, EU, Egypt and Turkey who all speak pretty decent English too. Many of my friends can say the same.
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Well what will happen is that alot of people will quit this game because of the things mentioned by TamTamTamy. It was really nice to play CF with alot of Europeans these days. I met alot and joined also their TS Servers. It was nice to meet new Playrrs and to play Ranked with them. During we played Ranked alot of then shouted and complained about the Lagers and Hackers in this game. After 2 weeks now i can see that last login dates were days ago.
Ill just enjoy the game the gamw untill it will be like the situation before the migration. -
I don't think splitting the community even more is probably not the best solution at this time. So let's run through what will happen if Middle-East players get their own servers.
1) SG West removes of the existing servers and adds a server for Middle East Players.
2) Majority of the Middle East Players move to the server resulting in NA/EU servers less populated.
3) NA/EU players have some difficultly finding rooms on the NA/EU servers.
4) Since the Middle East servers is always full, SG West adds another server to meet the demands. So now we have 2 Middle East Servers.
5) More Middle East players move to the newer servers.
6) NA/EU players have even more difficultly finding rooms.
7) Both Middle East servers are regularly full.
8) SG West decides it's best to give Middle East players their own version.
9) Middle East players move to new version.
10) CF West barely has 1 channel full.
11) Players come to the forums and complain that there are no rooms to play in.
Now, this is purely based on my speculation and past experiences on how things will turn out. This is exactly what happened to the Brazilian players when they were in CFNA and I believe if a server gets implemented for Middle East players then those events will unfold.
Able you forget one thing .
if middle east players go to their own server . CFEU and CFES scenario will happen here due to same reasons .
Yes we got lag and admit that .
Yes some of us speak English badly ( even Arabic also )
Our lag spoil the game
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Our problem that NA/EU servers so far from us . -
Look all these wishful thinking. Are you guys high or something?
Z8 give little to no F about controlling hackers(account ban? it takes hackers 1 min to create another account). NA server is dying exactly because of ha-ckers. EU is next for sure. And we have people discuss if Z8 need another server in ME??
Come on, use your brain, people. Crossfire is dying and keep sending your money to Z8, till you don't.
-a NA player.
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