Is the Ban system 100% secure for legit players ?
I was surprised to read that thread about snipes `s Ban. I won`t comment any thing about his ban or what ever , as this thread has been closed , but my question stay as you can read on the title . " Is the ban system 100% secure for legit players ?" What may be the percentage of risk that a legit player may got ban ? In case a mistake like that hanneped , what are the mesures to take ? why must the MODs close a topic like that in case it happened and that the player want to tell to others that this happened to him ? Is there any offense in coming here to tell others about you dissapointement and to get support from others ?
Note that to arrive to a certain level in that game is not a simple thing and that it has taken months for someone to arrive at a certain level and that it has also cost money investement on internet connection even if the player is not a ZP buyer , so in case of that ugly thing happen to a legit player ,and that afterward you realize that it was a mistake , then what CF or the MOD will do to repair that ( offense ) to that said player ?
Thanks to give inteligent replies and not to flame , as it is a serious matter that can happen to any of us .
I also hope that the MOD or GM will no close that thread for no reason . THANKS
Note that to arrive to a certain level in that game is not a simple thing and that it has taken months for someone to arrive at a certain level and that it has also cost money investement on internet connection even if the player is not a ZP buyer , so in case of that ugly thing happen to a legit player ,and that afterward you realize that it was a mistake , then what CF or the MOD will do to repair that ( offense ) to that said player ?
Thanks to give inteligent replies and not to flame , as it is a serious matter that can happen to any of us .
I also hope that the MOD or GM will no close that thread for no reason . THANKS
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It isn't very likely to happen to legit players. More often then not, a "normally legit player" gets caught that /one/ time he hacked or somehow cheated, and gets banned. And of course it looks suspicious from the outside.
That said...The point is, if a banning truly seems illigitimate, than the banned player is supposed to send in a support ticket or get with the GMs to discuss it somehow, not come on to the forums. It's not that there is anything wrong with getting support from friends, its more that the heads are more likely to take you seriously if you're not trying to strong-arm or bad-mouth them, y'know? -
It isn't very likely to happen to legit players. More often then not, a "normally legit player" gets caught that /one/ time he hacked or somehow cheated, and gets banned. And of course it looks suspicious from the outside.
That said...The point is, if a banning truly seems illigitimate, than the banned player is supposed to send in a support ticket or get with the GMs to discuss it somehow, not come on to the forums. It's not that there is anything wrong with getting support from friends, its more that the heads are more likely to take you seriously if you're not trying to strong-arm or bad-mouth them, y'know?
I am not talking about a playey that could have try or cheat once . but about a player that is a PERFECT LEGIT player . cause there are real perfect legit players .
I don`t see the point of being strong arm or bad- mouth in coming to tell people about your dissapointement . it`s like the same as if some one who would have beed kicked from a game for being good and was accused of hack and that would come here to tell his (" let say it like that " SADNESS )
Ps : If I lose an account of lieutenant , I will not be only sad but very angry and would like to bite like my pitbull LOL -
I am not talking about a playey that could have try or cheat once . but about a player that is a PERFECT LEGIT player . cause there are real perfect legit players .
No, I understood that's not what you meant. What I was trying to say was, it is /incredibly/ unlikely that a fully legit player will be banned. And that if you have a friend who gets banned who you "know for a fact doesn't hack," ....Unless you're in the room with them all the time, you might not have seen that one time they did try a hack, and got caught.
Perfect Legit = Not likely at all.
Perfect Legit but then there was that /one time/... = Slightly more likely, but only if a replay was even made. -
No, I understood that's not what you meant. What I was trying to say was, it is /incredibly/ unlikely that a fully legit player will be banned. And that if you have a friend who gets banned who you "know for a fact doesn't hack," ....Unless you're in the room with them all the time, you might not have seen that one time they did try a hack, and got caught.
Perfect Legit = Not likely at all.
Perfect Legit but then there was that /one time/... = Slightly more likely, but only if a replay was even made.
Ok I see what you want to say -
It is easy to tell from a replay whether a person is cheating or not. Not only that, but the GM's know exactly what to look for in the replay to prove it.
Ok Grey . The only question that I will put to you is : " are there any chance that you make a mistake and ban a legit player ?" Be true please . -
Ok Grey . The only question that I will put to you is : " are there any chance that you make a mistake and ban a legit player ?" Be true please .It is easy to tell from a replay whether a person is cheating or not. Not only that, but the GM's know exactly what to look for in the replay to prove it.
he already answered.. -
You are replying for him , so let me ask you whether you think that all systems are safe ? YOU think that people or machines or programs can`t make mistakes ? Do you know how many inocent people has been executed ? are you at least aware of that ?he already answered.. -
You are replying for him , so let me ask you whether you think that all systems are safe ? YOU think that people or machines or programs can`t make mistakes ? Do you know how many inocent people has been executed ? are you at least aware of that ?
Woah, one thing is the ban-system, and another thing is the justice-system, dont get too excited, im not saying if the ban system is 100% safe, but [GM]s know what to look for, and if the user thinks they commited a mistake, he can simply send a support ticket.. -
Sorry but the entire replay system in this game is fail.
Now lets go through all the ways a player who is legit could appear like they are hacking. Because unlike what GreyCloak and others may say its not that easy.
1. Ghosting, yes it happens. For those that are not familiar with the term ghosting is when a player on the other team informs you of the location of players on their own team.
2. Luck, yes it happens I can remember when Escape posted his video of the BL spawn to A cat spam spot... needless to say I had to try it out for my self. A few games later, boom hack shot. However it doesn't end there, lucky peaks, lucky shots etc are all things that happen.
3. Skill, yes there is such a thing. To put it in simple terms some people can aim, some people can click a button fast, and some can use their brains to guess where the other player is (using sound, and other indicators of a player in the area).
4. The replay system it self... not only does it fail to properly display where bullets land it also fails to show when players are scoped in (tendency to bug out and show players scoped/not scoped when they should be etc). Additionally it can show a player shooting at the wrong spot etc. More or less until they fix the replay system it is only effective for spotting players speed hacking, weapon hacking and some aim bots.
5. Experience frankly some players have a better understanding of the map then others. I am not only talking about spam spots, but a general knowledge of how long it takes to run from point a to point b, common sniper spots, and how the majority of players attack sites or push areas etc. Because of this it is sometimes smart to prefire common spots, why? Because if someone is there well you most likely took them down to at least 1/2 hp and if not well you used 3 or 4 bullets who cares?
I could continue on but I doubt it would matter anyways, not to mention regardless of what happens. It only takes a matter of minutes before the player banned can start hacking again. I mean I scrimmed last night and only one clan we played didn't hack... not to mention we fought everything from aim bots to the head, aim bots to the chest, wallers, and some kid with a 1 hit kill hack.
ps:Bans have been reversed in the past.
Obviously its not fool-proof.
Tasty? -
Well it might come as a shock but that MRMRMRMR guys was a hacker. SO banning --Snipes-- was right and not a fault on Z8 behalf
See this thread,
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=2044
he was advertising the same clan on a hacking site. Plus under Brainchiller (His hacking pseudonime) he does talk about using hacks. =( fail much. -
Some times i worry about this myself...
I play GM a LOT... so i feel like i have a 6th sense sometimes.... just based on my hunches i will shoot at a spot (from my awm).... more often than not i get a kill.
like once in lab i ran up through BL spawn and to the top.. heard breathingnear the bridge.. so i ran to the opposite end, took my awm out and aimed right at the middle of that bridge..
got a kill.
got kicked.
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I do things like that all along ("Better safe than dead") but i wonder what would happen if i got reported on those occasions lol.. -
Sorry but the entire replay system in this game is fail.
1. Ghosting, yes it happens. For those that are not familiar with the term ghosting is when a player on the other team informs you of the location of players on their own team.
3. Skill, yes there is such a thing. To put it in simple terms some people can aim, some people can click a button fast, and some can use their brains to guess where the other player is (using sound, and other indicators of a player in the area).
4. The replay system it self... not only does it fail to properly display where bullets land it also fails to show when players are scoped in (tendency to bug out and show players scoped/not scoped when they should be etc). Additionally it can show a player shooting at the wrong spot etc. More or less until they fix the replay system it is only effective for spotting players speed hacking, weapon hacking and some aim bots.
5. Experience frankly some players have a better understanding of the map then others. I am not only talking about spam spots, but a general knowledge of how long it takes to run from point a to point b, common sniper spots, and how the majority of players attack sites or push areas etc. Because of this it is sometimes smart to prefire common spots, why? Because if someone is there well you most likely took them down to at least 1/2 hp and if not well you used 3 or 4 bullets who cares?
1. A lot of teams use vent and will be communicating with their team after they die. There is no way for GMs to go "Oh, they're on vent. Thats how."
3. The brain is the best weapon in this game. When you can predict or control the movement of your opponent, you're going to be pulling off some beastly rounds.
4. I had a kid using 1hit against me in a 1v1. Thanks to the replay system (laggy crosshair, no recoil) I can't even prove it. Thanks!
5. Serenity used to get into a room all by ourselves and just run around/practice whatever. After doing that long enough (and just playing the game) we began to develop things and understand the game more than most people do.
tl:dr System is not 100%. If I got banned for hacking I'd get in touch with a GM. -
The chances of a person who is not hacking getting banned is close to 0% BUT as people will be people and no matter how hard one trys there will always be mistakes... so to answer for gray(I am not gray so he many not have the same opinion) YES its is most definitely possible for one to be deemed a hacker when one is not. Players have been banned before that don't cheat in any way(I can only think of one at the moment) but people make mistakes and the players have been released when they talked to a GM. So I say this to whoever has been banned wrongfully PLEASE contact a GM and they will fix everything right up.
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A.V.A on ijji (That means it's pay-to-win.)ffffffff new games.
Zoom wanted me to go play some new FPS with him that comes out on like, the 15th.
I forgot the name already.
Considering the anti-hack system is ran by a human, there is always a chance of a mistake, as we are very far from being perfect. -
Sorta worth commenting since this thread has a hint of questioning HIS ban..NumberNin9 wrote: »Well it might come as a shock but that MRMRMRMR guys was a hacker. SO banning --Snipes-- was right and not a fault on Z8 behalf
See this thread,
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=2044
he was advertising the same clan on a hacking site. Plus under Brainchiller (His hacking pseudonime) he does talk about using hacks. =( fail much.
Your evidence proves nothing.
I could do the same thing against you.
I sure as **** hope there were some form of replay and other evidence. -
Your evidence proves nothing.
I could do the same thing against you.
How does it prove nothing? I'm sure the GM didn't ban without a replay or screenshot.
How many legit players visit forums and look in the Crossfire hack section?
Normal people would be real ****ed and make some rage post about getting wrongfully banned.
--Snipes-- reply was pretty chill and 'yeah ok I'm going to make a new account soon'. While I don't trust the GM's ability to ban reported players, I do trust that the bans they hand out (however few) are for legitimate reasons.
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What was Nine doing on the hacking forum? Just walking around?How does it prove nothing? I'm sure the GM didn't ban without a replay or screenshot.
How many legit players visit forums and look in the Crossfire hack section?
Normal people would be real ****ed and make some rage post about getting wrongfully banned.
--Snipes-- reply was pretty chill and 'yeah ok I'm going to make a new account soon'. While I don't trust the GM's ability to ban reported players, I do trust that the bans they hand out (however few) are for legitimate reasons.
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A screenshot of some random joe posting stuff on a hacking forum proves nothing.
I'm not accusing anyone nor am I saying Snipes is legit - I'm just saying there better be more proof then some random screenshot of a guy posing as Snipes on a hacking-forum. -
We have rumors that the moderators have a "Antihack to See Legits not Legits, can someone confirm this? Otherwise, the Replay is a failure:
1 - In Ghost Mode it does not show the breath or the "light show"
2 - If the guy not wanting to rotate as they prove that he is not aimbot that is trying to protect your behind? (I'm not talking about a 360.)
3 - In the Replays I do not see the weapons out almost always more in the in-game I see .. -
Like cypher already stated, the replay system is only good for the obvious hacks (gun, speed, glitching i suppose). When it comes to seeing if someone is wallhacking or not, you're not going to be able to tell. The lag is horendous (butchered that word). It'll show me shooting in one direction while killing someone in another one.
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