Just a though about This "Tournament Problem" in the NA
I been pubing around for a month or so and checking the comp forms to see where we at with the comp seen.
I see the same problem as when i did play competitively.
I also see that the community is still convinced that the GMs are to blame for the lack of Tournaments.
IN MY OPINION:
They are not to blame.
Maybe they are trying their best to get these tournaments for us, maybe they are not!
BUT
I think the real problem here is the lack of teams.
Its hard for organizations to want to make a tournament for Crossfire NA when there is only a handful of teams.
Every time i visit the E8 lobby, Its always dead.
No matter what time of the day it is.
I have only seen a maximum of 2 scrims going on at the same time. SAD!
I feel like instead of Worrying about tournaments, we should worry about getting 20+ teams to get on and be part of the E8 Community.
Once there is 20+ teams getting on and scriming, then i feel like the community can start questioning the GMs as far as Where are the tournaments.
But until there is 20+ teams scrimming, i don't think any organization will be interested in being a sponsor for a CF tournament.
Its time to start building more relationships with other CF gamers and creating new teams.
People should be able to get on and scrim just for the fun of it, not because EGL has a prize that you want. Where is the love in the game.
One thing i will agree on is that GMs lack in putting the word out there that there is indeed a competative seen in Crossfire. Not everyone reads the forums.
Welp i could say more but that the start to my thought. its simple math!
20+ teams = more tournaments
10- teams= no tournaments
I see the same problem as when i did play competitively.
I also see that the community is still convinced that the GMs are to blame for the lack of Tournaments.
IN MY OPINION:
They are not to blame.
Maybe they are trying their best to get these tournaments for us, maybe they are not!
BUT
I think the real problem here is the lack of teams.
Its hard for organizations to want to make a tournament for Crossfire NA when there is only a handful of teams.
Every time i visit the E8 lobby, Its always dead.
No matter what time of the day it is.
I have only seen a maximum of 2 scrims going on at the same time. SAD!
I feel like instead of Worrying about tournaments, we should worry about getting 20+ teams to get on and be part of the E8 Community.
Once there is 20+ teams getting on and scriming, then i feel like the community can start questioning the GMs as far as Where are the tournaments.
But until there is 20+ teams scrimming, i don't think any organization will be interested in being a sponsor for a CF tournament.
Its time to start building more relationships with other CF gamers and creating new teams.
People should be able to get on and scrim just for the fun of it, not because EGL has a prize that you want. Where is the love in the game.
One thing i will agree on is that GMs lack in putting the word out there that there is indeed a competative seen in Crossfire. Not everyone reads the forums.
Welp i could say more but that the start to my thought. its simple math!
20+ teams = more tournaments
10- teams= no tournaments
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There are plenty of teams, they just never get on and practice because there are no tournament prizes to play... Pretty simple to comprehend
why cant people just play the game competitively for fun and show the GMs that there are plenty of teams out there where tournaments should be held..right now they see little to no teams on so why should they bother making tournaments.....people should get on to play because they like the game and want to play not because of a prize....the prize should be a bonus to playing -
why cant people just play the game competitively for fun and show the GMs that there are plenty of teams out there where tournaments should be held..right now they see little to no teams on so why should they bother making tournaments.....people should get on to play because they like the game and want to play not because of a prize....the prize should be a bonus to playing
There used to be a lot of teams on lol, still no tournaments. And there are teams still scrimming for fun, its not just for the prize, tournaments are more serious and competitive that's why players want to attend them, to see where they stand -- if that makes sense.
I don't think you understand the competitive players pov. All other versions of cf have tournaments with big prizes, we are like the only region with no tournaments. -
10- teams= no tournaments
I'll comment on only what I'm aware off : there was a Escape mode tournament idea but because less that 10 teams entered, the tournament didnt saw the light anymore.... prizes were tempting like "weapon of your choice " rules were permissive aswell like "use any weapons" ... and yet we didnt had enough players. I'm saying "we" because I actually got in a team for that one and even if we were going to lose we still wanted to play. -
I'll comment on only what I'm aware off : there was a Escape mode tournament idea but because less that 10 teams entered, the tournament didnt saw the light anymore.... prizes were tempting like "weapon of your choice " rules were permissive aswell like "use any weapons" ... and yet we didnt had enough players. I'm saying "we" because I actually got in a team for that one and even if we were going to lose we still wanted to play.
No one wants FFA lans or ESC mode tournaments... -
There used to be a lot of teams on lol, still no tournaments. And there are teams still scrimming for fun, its not just for the prize, tournaments are more serious and competitive that's why players want to attend them, to see where they stand -- if that makes sense.
I don't think you understand the competitive players pov. All other versions of cf have tournaments with big prizes, we are like the only region with no tournaments.
i do understand a comp players pov giving that i played competitive in the past. you are right other regions have tournaments and why is that? because they have well over 20 teams that get on everyday and play for the fun of it. like i said this is my opinion but i really think that once the GMs see that there are plenty of teams to have tournaments then they will start giving in more effort -
i do understand a comp players pov giving that i played competitive in the past. you are right other regions have tournaments and why is that? because they have well over 20 teams that get on everyday and play for the fun of it. like i said this is my opinion but i really think that once the GMs see that there are plenty of teams to have tournaments then they will start giving in more effort
No you don't understand, GMs never check e8 anyway, and theres like 30 teams in UK and no tournament prizes, we have like 15 teams active but rarely get on when they feel like its pointless to play. -
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No you don't understand, GMs never check e8 anyway, and theres like 30 teams in UK and no tournament prizes, we have like 15 teams active but rarely get on when they feel like its pointless to play.
I would like to jump in here ----
WOGL came to CF (a long long time ago) because there were a lot of teams online (literally any time you wanted) that wanted to compete. There were scrims going on non-stop. Lifeline PUGs, Krzy PUGs, and just good old fashioned scrims There was community interest in competing just to compete. There were rivalries between teams. Clans used to mean something (it was sort of a status quo thing; only 2008-2009 players would understand). That interest drew in a competitive organization. That competitive organization ran events because of the interest. I knew Bobby during that time and it was definitely more to it than just "competing for prizes".
It seems many of the teams now a days ONLY form because there's a competition with prizes, not because they want to actually be a team and play the game. I feel this is something that creates this up-and-down community activity, where it's dead until there are prizes involved.
Kind of sad really. -
The competitive server honestly doesnt need a bunch of tournaments with prizes. If competitions were streamed and casted on cfonline twitch and great teams could get recognition in this game that would make a huge difference. Whats more teams need something to strive and practice for that means something. If ur on a varsity basketball team you wouldnt want the coach saying "were not doing tournaments. You guys can just do pickup games whenever and then well play a tourney one day. Bottom line is people in the competitive server want to compete. Not just have fun playing random pickup games that are unnoticed.
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Clans were special only due to the clan page on the website. Honestly ours now is so much worse and this could be the reason clans are not as meaningful as they used to be, therefore less competitive teams. It would be cool if they bring back the old clan page but I doubt they will anymore.
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Clans were special only due to the clan page on the website. Honestly ours now is so much worse and this could be the reason clans are not as meaningful as they used to be, therefore less competitive teams. It would be cool if they bring back the old clan page but I doubt they will anymore.
+1 on the clan page. Won't happen though, spaztics took it away for no reason -
Clans were special only due to the clan page on the website. Honestly ours now is so much worse and this could be the reason clans are not as meaningful as they used to be, therefore less competitive teams. It would be cool if they bring back the old clan page but I doubt they will anymore.
I would definitely love to see remnants of the old clan pages be integrated. I agree that clans had more meaning back then. Clans would actually scrim eachother for prestige and bragging rights back then haha. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I would definitely love to see remnants of the old clan pages be integrated. I agree that clans had more meaning back then. Clans would actually scrim eachother for prestige and bragging rights back then haha.
Your voice is louder than ours so hopefully you use it :P if they're worried new players won't like it, have both enabled on clan.z8games and players switch from either one and go from there.
It even had more statistics for clan matches which is not yet added to our new page. A minor problem in this is the collection page which shouldn't be too difficult to add. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I would like to jump in here ----
WOGL came to CF (a long long time ago) because there were a lot of teams online (literally any time you wanted) that wanted to compete. There were scrims going on non-stop. Lifeline PUGs, Krzy PUGs, and just good old fashioned scrims There was community interest in competing just to compete. There were rivalries between teams. Clans used to mean something (it was sort of a status quo thing; only 2008-2009 players would understand). That interest drew in a competitive organization. That competitive organization ran events because of the interest. I knew Bobby during that time and it was definitely more to it than just "competing for prizes".
It seems many of the teams now a days ONLY form because there's a competition with prizes, not because they want to actually be a team and play the game. I feel this is something that creates this up-and-down community activity, where it's dead until there are prizes involved.
Kind of sad really.
this is exactly what i mean......
people only want to play for the prize not for the love of the game.
if there is ever going to be tournaments again.....there has to be teams online wanting to just play to play.....2008-2009 were the good old days....maybe its time for good new days
What if all the top players made a team of their own? that would instantly bring in 10 new teams to the comp seen. (giving that 2 teams have all top players)
Instead of worrying about a tournament and wanting to win it, focus on bringing the comp seen back to life. Witch in my opinion is way more important.
Because as long as there are not enough teams on a day to day basis, its hard to belive any organization will be interested in sponsoring a tournament.
Take cs:GO for example: there are tournaments on everyday. why? because there are alot of teams. -
They've had many chances over the years to revitalise the competitive scene. CFCL was extremely LATE but a huge step up, but then it stopped. The comp scene is an investment, if you don't give in much you won't get much back. Don't just expect people to wanna play a game like CF (cf with a strong competitive scene is a different story though imo) This is 2017 not 2008.
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Britishjosh wrote: »They've had many chances over the years to revitalise the competitive scene. CFCL was extremely LATE but a huge step up, but then it stopped. The comp scene is an investment, if you don't give in much you won't get much back. Don't just expect people to wanna play a game like CF (cf with a strong competitive scene is a different story though imo) This is 2017 not 2008.
you are missing the point.
3rd party companies want to see activity. If they are not seeing what they want then how are they going to consider giving crossfire a chance.
Its supply and demand. You want them to supply the tournaments, they demand activity. Sadly until they see constant activity they not gonna supply anything,
A good place to start is building more teams and playing for the love of the game, not because of prices.
Just like you said "if you don't give in much, you wont get back much" The E8 community has to put in their par.
Today was a decent day, while i was on i saw alpha was almost full and i seen 5 scrims going on at once. so that is progress.
Like i said before if the top 2 teams all made their own teams that would be a big plus for the competitive seen. -
Take cs:GO for example: there are tournaments on everyday. why? because there are alot of teams.
There weren't very many teams when CSGO first came out, and most people preferred to continue playing 1.6. The only reason that their competitive scene is so big now is because of the support that valve providedWhat if all the top players made a team of their own? that would instantly bring in 10 new teams to the comp seen. (giving that 2 teams have all top players)
This is completely unrealistic
Any type of competitive support is appreciated from z8, but you can't expect a scene to thrive when there hasn't been a single event or update for 7 months. If CSGO were to be under the same conditions, their scene would be just as dead as ours. -
you are missing the point.
3rd party companies want to see activity. If they are not seeing what they want then how are they going to consider giving crossfire a chance.
Its supply and demand. You want them to supply the tournaments, they demand activity. Sadly until they see constant activity they not gonna supply anything,
A good place to start is building more teams and playing for the love of the game, not because of prices.
Just like you said "if you don't give in much, you wont get back much" The E8 community has to put in their par.
Today was a decent day, while i was on i saw alpha was almost full and i seen 5 scrims going on at once. so that is progress.
Like i said before if the top 2 teams all made their own teams that would be a big plus for the competitive seen.
I wasn't talking about third party companies. I'm not saying that there's a lot of demand for it now, I'm saying that there's been plenty of demand in the past, but very inconsistent and little supply in return. Wasn't the NA community dying before CFCL came out?Teams only came back for CFS because there was no consistent competition. Even the UK servers has/had around 2-3x more teams than in NA and they're not getting supplied either. This is their game and it's their job to make sure people know it exists and to invest in a competitive scene. When there's tournaments there's usually twice as many active teams and when CFCL was around there were more teams every week until it stopped. Most teams have fun when there's tight competition but there also has to be incentive / some type of goal to justify spending all that time. They have to be consistent, you can't expect teams to stick around after 7 months with no communication from the gms about new tournaments. Maybe we just have a difference in opinion but I don't think we should excuse the GMS as they've had plenty of time and opportunity over the years. I'm unsure if CF in certain regions can reach the demand expectation that you have, but if it can, it would have to be a joint effort and z8 would have to cater for the community and be consistent.
Edit: I just want to add that, over the years there's been dozens of different GMS working at z8, so I'm aware that you current GMS aren't responsible for all of the past problems. Now you know how things have been in the past. -
michealdrkkt wrote: »There weren't very many teams when CSGO first came out, and most people preferred to continue playing 1.6. The only reason that their competitive scene is so big now is because of the support that valve provided
This is completely unrealistic
Any type of competitive support is appreciated from z8, but you can't expect a scene to thrive when there hasn't been a single event or update for 7 months. If CSGO were to be under the same conditions, their scene would be just as dead as ours.
^ This
Companies that understand esport potential invest in it. -
michealdrkkt wrote: »There weren't very many teams when CSGO first came out, and most people preferred to continue playing 1.6. The only reason that their competitive scene is so big now is because of the support that valve provided
This is completely unrealistic
Any type of competitive support is appreciated from z8, but you can't expect a scene to thrive when there hasn't been a single event or update for 7 months. If CSGO were to be under the same conditions, their scene would be just as dead as ours.
okay what is your suggestion then? -
okay what is your suggestion then?
There just needs to be somewhat consistent tournaments with reliable updates from the GM's: Having no updates and 0 events for 7 months isn't how a community grows. And tencent or whoever decides the invites for these invitationals might want to do a better job incorporating multiple regions rather than only Brazil, Vietnam, China, and Philippines every single time
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