Gay marriage
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ELmalky7mar wrote: »Mine: idc
If you don't care about it why are you starting a discussion about it? :rolleyes:
Anyway, I agree with it. It's not like it would be affecting others.
If they keep it between themselves and are not shoving it in my face, then sure. -
I have issues with being fair.
Where is the week long celebration and parade for being straight ?
Why is pedosexuallity frowned upon ? You can't control who you love right ? And no I'm not talking a out rapists, they're still rapists.
If gender doesn't matter, why should age or species.
The biggest problem is they changed the constitution.
Since when did it become a law of man and not a law of government. If you change one law for public opinion what laws get changed next ? -
Here is my viewpoint
If what people say is correct and that being homosexual is not a choice but how you are born then I have a theory for it.
The sole purpose of any living being is to reproduce. For us ****-Sapiens we reproduce via male and female. Evolution has a way of changing how we live just like any other species.
Due to the increasing overpopulating of humans, our evolution is changing to where our genes knows that we are becoming too over populated. In an effort to slow down the reproduction process, evolution kicks in and makes it where certain people are less likely to reproduce.
Mental change is easier than physical change in evolution. So in other words evolution has changed the genes of a % of the human race. Technically male/male or female/female cant reproduce together, this is a step to slow down over population.
But this is only my own theory and is not based out of religious view or personal beliefs.
TLDR: Evolution made homosexuals to slow down over populating. -
beboandgogo2 wrote: »the mini MOD again? , i told U , dont act like MOD . MOD have their rights to ban and close threads , If U dont like this thread so tell a MOD
I'm following the rules of this forum. I just commented on what I think about it. This is a personal matter and should not be discussed in our forum. This subject is a matter of thinking. And please stop it Mini Mod. -
Here is my viewpoint
If what people say is correct and that being homosexual is not a choice but how you are born then I have a theory for it.
The sole purpose of any living being is to reproduce. For us ****-Sapiens we reproduce via male and female. Evolution has a way of changing how we live just like any other species.
Due to the increasing overpopulating of humans, our evolution is changing to where our genes knows that we are becoming too over populated. In an effort to slow down the reproduction process, evolution kicks in and makes it where certain people are less likely to reproduce.
Mental change is easier than physical change in evolution. So in other words evolution has changed the genes of a % of the human race. Technically male/male or female/female cant reproduce together, this is a step to slow down over population.
But this is only my own theory and is not based out of religious view or personal beliefs.
TLDR: Evolution made homosexuals to slow down over populating.
I had a rather long argument with dot about the origin of homosexuality and how we should approach this topic about a year ago (I think) here in the Off-Topic section, so to have my own points I researched the subject quite thoroughly.
First thing I would like to mention is homosexuality is often not simply a given from the moment of birth. Everyone is born with a tendency to become homosexual. This tendency can be encouraged or/and strengthened or during a child's upbringing, so it can be the outcome of the environment a child is growing up in. It can have various reasons, which is even affected by the child's personality itself, but one of the most usual causes for example is when they are brought up by parent(s) from only one gender.
Of course, in the end it is usually depending more on genes, but the other part can't be discarded either.
Secondly, high tendency for homosexuality is a type of disorder, no matter how much we would like to forget about it. It frequently appears in various animal races from bugs to mammals. It is not evolution trying to prevent overpopulation, rather the cause of errors in DNA replication.
Evolution works the same way, but in that case the changes are minor and the animal with the best genetic errors (sounds weird, I know, but English isn't my first language) gets to pass its genes down to the next generation and not the opposite.
What I said could be proven wrong in the future, since scientists are still investigating the matter, but this is how things are currently explained. -
ELmalky7mar wrote: »Thoughts on gay marriage legalized in USA? There already has been a lot of hate towards this from the more religious people but what are your honest opinions?
Mine: idc
I'm a Christian and I believe in God and understand that homosexuality is a sin, but the Bible doesn't tell us to play God and judge others for their sins, it tells us to love thy neighbor. From a religious standpoint, yes it is wrong, but it is also wrong to put judgment upon others. If we aren't loving our neighbors then we're doing it wrong. We all sin.
Moving on, I think religious viewpoints hold zero value in law. The USA was founded on our Constitution, not on the Bible. In fact, our first amendment rights grant us the freedom from religious persecutions, and it's quite shameful it took us so long to get here. It doesn't matter if 70% of the US is Christian, Christianity is NOT the law; that's exactly what this country got it's origins from: fleeing a theocratic monarchy.
I'm for gay marriage rights because it has no affect on my life and my decisions. The more people that are happy the better off the world is.I'm following the rules of this forum. I just commented on what I think about it. This is a personal matter and should not be discussed in our forum. This subject is a matter of thinking. And please stop it Mini Mod.
Controversial topic discussion has always been allowed in Off Topic so long as it's kept under control. This isn't a conversation as of "Is it okay to be gay", it's a discussion of civil rights and thinking, as you stated. There's nothing wrong with exchanging opinions and having a well-debated and controlled discussion. If it gets out of hand, then we have a problem. Read the rule:Please keep intelligent discussion about politics or science to Off Topic forums only. -
[MOD]Seashore wrote: »I'm a Christian and I believe in God and understand that homosexuality is a sin, but the Bible doesn't tell us to play God and judge others for their sins, it tells us to love thy neighbor. From a religious standpoint, yes it is wrong, but it is also wrong to put judgment upon others. If we aren't loving our neighbors then we're doing it wrong. We all sin.
Moving on, I think religious viewpoints hold zero value in law. The USA was founded on our Constitution, not on the Bible. In fact, our first amendment rights grant us the freedom from religious persecutions, and it's quite shameful it took us so long to get here. It doesn't matter if 70% of the US is Christian, Christianity is NOT the law; that's exactly what this country got it's origins from: fleeing a theocratic monarchy.
I'm for gay marriage rights because it has no affect on my life and my decisions. The more people that are happy the better off the world is.
Controversial topic discussion has always been allowed in Off Topic so long as it's kept under control. This isn't a conversation as of "Is it okay to be gay", it's a discussion of civil rights and thinking, as you stated. There's nothing wrong with exchanging opinions and having a well-debated and controlled discussion. If it gets out of hand, then we have a problem. Read the rule:
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+1I have issues with being fair.
Where is the week long celebration and parade for being straight ?
Why is pedosexuallity frowned upon ? You can't control who you love right ? And no I'm not talking a out rapists, they're still rapists.
If gender doesn't matter, why should age or species.
The biggest problem is they changed the constitution.
Since when did it become a law of man and not a law of government. If you change one law for public opinion what laws get changed next ?TLDR: Evolution made homosexuals to slow down over populating.
Population control is the sole reason i think of due to which they legalized it or else why would they do it.
We were created Adam and Eve not Adam and steve,what about incest then ? -
[MOD]Seashore wrote: »I'm a Christian and I believe in God and understand that homosexuality is a sin, but the Bible doesn't tell us to play God and judge others for their sins, it tells us to love thy neighbor. From a religious standpoint, yes it is wrong, but it is also wrong to put judgment upon others. If we aren't loving our neighbors then we're doing it wrong. We all sin.
Moving on, I think religious viewpoints hold zero value in law. The USA was founded on our Constitution, not on the Bible. In fact, our first amendment rights grant us the freedom from religious persecutions, and it's quite shameful it took us so long to get here. It doesn't matter if 70% of the US is Christian, Christianity is NOT the law; that's exactly what this country got it's origins from: fleeing a theocratic monarchy.
I'm for gay marriage rights because it has no affect on my life and my decisions. The more people that are happy the better off the world is.
Controversial topic discussion has always been allowed in Off Topic so long as it's kept under control. This isn't a conversation as of "Is it okay to be gay", it's a discussion of civil rights and thinking, as you stated. There's nothing wrong with exchanging opinions and having a well-debated and controlled discussion. If it gets out of hand, then we have a problem. Read the rule:
I'm Christian as well and you well said it. But either way with all my respect if you're really Christian as well you shouldn't be agreeing with it because it is firmly said in the bible that it's a sin and we should stand against it.
Back to my opinion:
I'm firmly against homosexuality because of many many reasons but the first one is because of religion. But I'll try to stay off religion because many of you guys don't believe in god.
The biblical viewpoint of marriage has been the universal understanding of marriage in every human civilization in world history. History argues against gay marriage. Modern secular psychology recognizes that men and women are psychologically and emotionally designed to complement one another. In regard to the family, psychologists contend that a union between a man and woman in which both spouses serve as good gender role models is the best environment in which to raise well-adjusted children. Psychology argues against gay marriage. In nature/physicality, clearly, men and women were designed to “fit” together sexually. With the “natural” purpose of sexual intercourse being procreation, clearly only a sexual relationship between a man and a woman can fulfill this purpose. Nature argues against gay marriage.
So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman why is there such a controversy today? The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and the only way to suppress this inherent knowledge is by normalizing homosexuality and attacking any and all opposition to it. The best way to normalize homosexuality is by placing gay marriage/same-sex marriage on an equal plane with traditional opposite-gender marriage. Even this said I know a lot of you won't change minds because even if I tried to stay out of Christianity by stating some facts it takes some faith to fully understand and get it.
I recommend you guys read more at(Source): http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html#ixzz3ebmaEMV5
Ps: Seashore you should definitively click the link and visit the article, and site. -
Where is the week long celebration and parade for being straight ?
Why is pedosexuallity frowned upon ? You can't control who you love right ?
If gender doesn't matter, why should age or species.
I'm not really for or against Gay marriage, but, the main reason homosexuality isn't treated the same way as pedophilia and beastiality is because consent comes into play. Both people in a homosexual relationship are voluntarily(in most cases at least) in the relationship. However, a child is too young to know if he/she actually wants to be in a relationship with an adult whereas an animal simply can't communicate lol
As for incest, that sht's nasty but I wouldn't lose my mind if a brother and sister got into a relationship. It's already happening.
But yes gay marriage doesn't affect me so idgaf if there are gay people getting married around me. Good for them, as long as they stop fcking blocking roads protesting now onwards
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FrozenPizza wrote: »I'm not really for or against Gay marriage, but, the main reason homosexuality isn't treated the same way as pedophilia and beastiality is because consent comes into play. Both people in a homosexual relationship are voluntarily(in most cases at least) in the relationship. However, a child is too young to know if he/she actually wants to be in a relationship with an adult whereas an animal simply can't communicate lol
As for incest, that sht's nasty but I wouldn't lose my mind if a brother and sister got into a relationship. It's already happening.
But yes gay marriage doesn't affect me so idgaf if there are gay people getting married around me. Good for them, as long as they stop fcking blocking roads protesting now onwards
Haven't really thought about it before, but you are right imo. If we accept gay relationships (which we should), then since incest also consists of two people voluntarily being together, it should be acknowledged the same. However, there is a problem with incestuous relationships that isn't represent in the other one, and that is the possibility of having offsprings, which makes it more difficult to objectively look at. -
Yeah yeah , even a MOD has commented and didnt closed this , so , U are Almost the only one who want it closedI'm following the rules of this forum. I just commented on what I think about it. This is a personal matter and should not be discussed in our forum. This subject is a matter of thinking. And please stop it Mini Mod.
Girls? we are talking about Gays and lesbians . got it? goodI think this thread should be closed because we have girls in the forum, I can't understand what this thread know but what I only understood is talking about gays.
but it stills sin? i think every one should do whatever he wants , as long as he not hurting me , thanks sea shore[MOD]Seashore wrote: »I'm a Christian and I believe in God and understand that homosexuality is a sin, but the Bible doesn't tell us to play God and judge others for their sins, it tells us to love thy neighbor. From a religious standpoint, yes it is wrong, but it is also wrong to put judgment upon others. If we aren't loving our neighbors then we're doing it wrong. We all sin.
Moving on, I think religious viewpoints hold zero value in law. The USA was founded on our Constitution, not on the Bible. In fact, our first amendment rights grant us the freedom from religious persecutions, and it's quite shameful it took us so long to get here. It doesn't matter if 70% of the US is Christian, Christianity is NOT the law; that's exactly what this country got it's origins from: fleeing a theocratic monarchy.
I'm for gay marriage rights because it has no affect on my life and my decisions. The more people that are happy the better off the world is.
Controversial topic discussion has always been allowed in Off Topic so long as it's kept under control. This isn't a conversation as of "Is it okay to be gay", it's a discussion of civil rights and thinking, as you stated. There's nothing wrong with exchanging opinions and having a well-debated and controlled discussion. If it gets out of hand, then we have a problem. Read the rule: -
beboandgogo2 wrote: »Yeah yeah , even a MOD has commented and didnt closed this , so , U are Almost the only one who want it closed
Girls? we are talking about Gays and lesbians . got it? good
but it stills sin? i think every one should do whatever he wants , as long as he not hurting me , thanks sea shore
You are starting to get annoying as f.
I don't post a lot anymore but sht.. every time I come check the forums I see you btching about something or at someone. You need to stop that.
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Why are you insulting him?!You are starting to get annoying as f.
I don't post a lot anymore but sht.. every time I come check the forums I see you btching about something or at someone. You need to stop that.
-YallKnowMe.
He can make what he want anytime if he isn't harm you.
I don't think that, message me in Arabic, Arabic not Franko.beboandgogo2 wrote: »Girls? we are talking about Gays and lesbians . got it? good -
I'm Christian as well and you well said it. But either way with all my respect if you're really Christian as well you shouldn't be agreeing with it because it is firmly said in the bible that it's a sin and we should stand against it.
Back to my opinion:
I'm firmly against homosexuality because of many many reasons but the first one is because of religion. But I'll try to stay off religion because many of you guys don't believe in god.
The biblical viewpoint of marriage has been the universal understanding of marriage in every human civilization in world history. History argues against gay marriage. Modern secular psychology recognizes that men and women are psychologically and emotionally designed to complement one another. In regard to the family, psychologists contend that a union between a man and woman in which both spouses serve as good gender role models is the best environment in which to raise well-adjusted children. Psychology argues against gay marriage. In nature/physicality, clearly, men and women were designed to “fit” together sexually. With the “natural” purpose of sexual intercourse being procreation, clearly only a sexual relationship between a man and a woman can fulfill this purpose. Nature argues against gay marriage.
So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman why is there such a controversy today? The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and the only way to suppress this inherent knowledge is by normalizing homosexuality and attacking any and all opposition to it. The best way to normalize homosexuality is by placing gay marriage/same-sex marriage on an equal plane with traditional opposite-gender marriage. Even this said I know a lot of you won't change minds because even if I tried to stay out of Christianity by stating some facts it takes some faith to fully understand and get it.
I recommend you guys read more at(Source): http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html#ixzz3ebmaEMV5
Ps: Seashore you should definitively click the link and visit the article, and site.
Much of this article is the answer's self-interpretation of the Apostle Paul's words. He uses the Bible to explain history from certain civilizations, but excludes key civilizations like the Greeks. In Ancient Greece, homosexuality was recognized as abnormal, but not immoral. Their gods respected relationships as the dominant and the passive, not the man and the woman. History is a poor indicator for this topic because this argument existed in history. There will always be two sides in history just as there is currently, so it's really irrelevant.
The article misquotes psychology horribly. As a science, psychology is by far one of the newest there is and is still vastly unexplained (I've taken two years of psychology courses). Much of our "discoveries" in psychology have yet to have a reason behind them. Hell, the founder of psychology was on massive amounts of cocaine and was confirmed as delusional. The person in the article explains his points through the narrow-minded viewpoint of ONLY a straight male and female, not even considering the other options.
The firm science behind neurotransmitters shows that certain neurotransmitters are released in the brain when love is felt (mainly oxytocin). Scientists have discovered that homosexual individuals release high amounts of positive neurotransmitters when with their partner, but whenever they were involved romantically with an individual with opposite gender, the hormones don't get released at all or in some cases neurotransmitters linked to depression are released. You can't simply tell a homosexual to love someone of the opposite gender, it's not physically possible for most.
So, if a homosexual were to be in a forced relationship with an individual of the opposite gender, and they were to enter a marriage, he or she could not love their spouse, still resulting in a sin. On top of this, this builds an unhappy relationship, something psychology has had deep research into. As stated earlier, neurotransmitters linked to depression are released. Chemical imbalances in the brain affect our decision making; this is why people are suicidal, they can't logically process a lot of options because of the imbalances in their brain. This imbalanced decision making can lead an individual to begin lying, cheating, stealing, etc. in an attempt to make themselves happy again, all of which are additional sins according to the Bible. In addition, this rash decision making and unhappy marriage sets a poor example for children if they have any, and influences them negatively and can negatively affect their mental growth and emotional cognition.
The Apostle Paul may state that homosexuals are heartless, ruthless, etc., however, is a robber not equally ruthless? Is an adulterer not equally heartless to their partner? Why pigeonhole homosexuals into a role that will cognitively reinforce more sins than they are already performing?
How can anyone even speak for nature, actually? The point is that homosexual tendencies have been observed in more than just humans, that's the bottom line. Nature doesn't have a voice, it just exists. Men and women may "fit" together sexually as you stated, but that is an adaptation developed to promote the continuing of a species, not a requirement.
So if the Bible, and only the Bible truly stands on homosexuality and marital status, and the Bible does not govern the United States of America, then the Bible has no relevance or authority to the laws hence created. Again, this is not a theocratic democracy, this is a democratic republic. -
In the US the government's recognition of marriage really doesn't extend beyond the concept of two people acting as one person for financial purposes, the two people share finances and responsibilities much like equal share co-owners of a business in the government's eyes. Because of separation of church and state the government cannot recognize marriage as anything more than a financial relationship. The concept that such a relationship must be between a man and a woman comes from religion and cultural tradition and for the government to recognize that type of marriage but not same-sex marriage would be a violation of separation of church and state or discrimination based on sex, religion, or national origin.
By that same standard the government may be forced to some day recognize polygamist marriages, since the government's only real role is to recognize that relationship as a financial relationship and nothing more. And again the concept that marriage can only be between two people and not more is rooted in religious belief and cultural tradition, for the government to recognize two-person marriages but not marriages of more than two people would again be a violation of separation of church and state or discrimination based on sex, religion, or national origin. -
Yes iam annoying deal with it , the only point that, i work , and i have huge free time , so my only fun is ForumYou are starting to get annoying as f.
I don't post a lot anymore but sht.. every time I come check the forums I see you btching about something or at someone. You need to stop that.
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I am too, but the first thing is playing CF and the second thing is forum
its me too , anyway , about gay marriage MR/hawk , it means that in USA Man can Marry Another Man , Woman can Marry Another Woman , its now legal in USA , it ofc against everything , they cant reproduce , its sin , its against the religion ............. thats the meaning of Gays marriage U were Asking about it . -
gay marriage?really?and this topic is better than circumcision? :mad:
any way...OT:
We don't have gay marriage here .it's not like gay relationship is against the law or something,there is only one problem,in Israel every couple(straight couple/gay couple/lesbian couple)who want to get married must to go through the rabbinate first .it's mean no one here can get married without some official rabbi approval !!!and as SeaHorse said Sexual orientation of someone to his/her own genderr is emerging as a sin in the bible so there no a change is the world and gay marriage will ever be allowed here -
I don't really care at all. We are equal to the Gods eyes.
So for my point if someone would ask me if i support it. I would say: "Yes. Who am i to deny their love. Cuz if Jesus was here on Earth, he wouldn't hate the person. Jesus did give love to everyone, so who am i to say no to it. We are in the Gods eyes like ants and ants we will remain." -
beboandgogo2 wrote: »its me too , anyway , about gay marriage MR/hawk , it means that in USA Man can Marry Another Man , Woman can Marry Another Woman , its now legal in USA , it ofc against everything , they cant reproduce , its sin , its against the religion ............. thats the meaning of Gays marriage U were Asking about it .
Oh.... Okay, I am 12 years but I think I have the solving.
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What I understood that you need a way to reduce gays.
Like you are saying USA is the country of freedom but freedom isn't good in eevery way.
I think the most of us (forumers) didn't married yet, like we know we all will marry and will get childern. Start with ourselves and don't be gay and learn our children to don't be gays. Don't forget to ask them to learn the to their Children
2- Make a page on FaceBook, Twitter and youtube against gays and write on it its harms and let them know.
3- If you can make advertisiment on the streets, make.
4- Make advertisiment on the TV if you can.
Its easy
I hope you understood my English
Edit: Ohhhh.... I forgot,
As I know and as I took in my lessons the freedom is " Make what you want anything and if it harm you no problems but don't harm people who are around you".
You will say it won't harm anyone except gays but the truth when any one see them do that, he wanted too.
To be a gay, lebisons and make sex with a woman and she isn't your wife is HARAM.
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