Discussion: ESG
Since I can't direct a thread at one individual.
Once upon a time, Caliber1 asked for an extension passed the 15 minute grace period - because our 5th was having AC issues. He was in the room, and then got a game error. He restarted his AC, and it wouldn't run. He immediately went to your mumble, and talked with ERICK for 30 minutes trying to get the AC to run.
You told us "you have a 15 minute grace period. Kanata can make you play 4v5 at that point, or take a DQ win. Don't like it? Sorry, sucks."
Now, Kanata was nice enough in that situation to wait for us, and they nearly lost (it went to OT).
We then asked them to upload their screenshots for armour, since they delayed us a further 45 minutes through repetitive disconnects, and you also told us "Well, I'm invoking my powers as admin to say they don't have to upload screenshots when you request". The week before you'd DQ'd some Asian team for not uploading disputed screenshots.
Now, in this situation, when it's not even an AC issue - it's simply Kanata being slow...
They can take a few extra minutes to set up and get into the room? Polleus can say "I'd give the same courtesy to every team"?
We could compare those two situations. One is entirely a program's fault, and C1 got no additional time. One is entirely Kanata's fault, and they got additional time. We could compare them again. Do we seriously think that this is how Polleus should be making decisions? Yes? We should those two situations again. And again, until our brains starts to work.
NOTE: For the record, I enjoy ESG. I often message Polleus with praise of one kind or another when I see he does something well. I have no problem admitting when someone does something right - in fact, I love seeing it. ESG has been doing a phenomenal job dealing with all of the issues and back-end work that needs to be done to keep things working, and I have thoroughly enjoyed participating in their events. But I similarly have no problem in pointing out when someone is being an idiot or making idiotic decisions. Which you are, Polleus.
ESG admins have been making consistently biased decisions when it comes to Kanata. I don't know what it will take for me to get Polleus to see that, but it makes me incredibly sad to see such a promising league consistently making such absolutely ridiculous decisions.
Look at the only people who have supported him.
Ha.
JStaff.
Blackout.
There may be one or two others. But, the overwhelming consensus of the community was that Polleus were making a biased decision in favor of Kanata. Yet he seem to be unaware of this. I am sad.
Once upon a time, Caliber1 asked for an extension passed the 15 minute grace period - because our 5th was having AC issues. He was in the room, and then got a game error. He restarted his AC, and it wouldn't run. He immediately went to your mumble, and talked with ERICK for 30 minutes trying to get the AC to run.
You told us "you have a 15 minute grace period. Kanata can make you play 4v5 at that point, or take a DQ win. Don't like it? Sorry, sucks."
Now, Kanata was nice enough in that situation to wait for us, and they nearly lost (it went to OT).
We then asked them to upload their screenshots for armour, since they delayed us a further 45 minutes through repetitive disconnects, and you also told us "Well, I'm invoking my powers as admin to say they don't have to upload screenshots when you request". The week before you'd DQ'd some Asian team for not uploading disputed screenshots.
Now, in this situation, when it's not even an AC issue - it's simply Kanata being slow...
They can take a few extra minutes to set up and get into the room? Polleus can say "I'd give the same courtesy to every team"?
We could compare those two situations. One is entirely a program's fault, and C1 got no additional time. One is entirely Kanata's fault, and they got additional time. We could compare them again. Do we seriously think that this is how Polleus should be making decisions? Yes? We should those two situations again. And again, until our brains starts to work.
NOTE: For the record, I enjoy ESG. I often message Polleus with praise of one kind or another when I see he does something well. I have no problem admitting when someone does something right - in fact, I love seeing it. ESG has been doing a phenomenal job dealing with all of the issues and back-end work that needs to be done to keep things working, and I have thoroughly enjoyed participating in their events. But I similarly have no problem in pointing out when someone is being an idiot or making idiotic decisions. Which you are, Polleus.
ESG admins have been making consistently biased decisions when it comes to Kanata. I don't know what it will take for me to get Polleus to see that, but it makes me incredibly sad to see such a promising league consistently making such absolutely ridiculous decisions.
Look at the only people who have supported him.
Ha.
JStaff.
Blackout.
There may be one or two others. But, the overwhelming consensus of the community was that Polleus were making a biased decision in favor of Kanata. Yet he seem to be unaware of this. I am sad.
Comments
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mateuszsweg wrote: »Us 3 are not the only people who have supported ESG. There's plenty of others that haven't posted on the forums that supported their decision. Keep my name off your ****ing keyboard and your mouth. Thanks ****ty.
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'Also, I'm sorry, but if we're going to get DOWN-TO-THE-POINT, I'm going to need to end this dispute here. Rules state:
A legal screen shot of a forfeit or no show (Upload to Imgur and provide links):
- CF Windowed Mode (check)
- All 5 of your players readied up (only one was, 4 would've been legible)
-A proper time stamp from http://www.time.gov visible next to game window with Eastern Time Zone selected. (you did yours on timeanddate.com)
- If applicable, in-game lobby chat evidence of the other team electing to forfeit rather than play with 4 players. (we didn't say anything, nor did you ask us)
Therefore, screenshot invalid.'
Is still correct. He even says '4 would've been legible', so you can't claim the excuse that one of their members was on your side and so you couldn't ready.
If you're going to go for the DQ with the rules, maybe you should follow the 'incredibly simple ruleset'. -
mateuszsweg wrote: »Us 3 are not the only people who have supported ESG. There's plenty of others that haven't posted on the forums that supported their decision. Keep my name off your ****ing keyboard and your mouth. Thanks ****ty.
I like the way you think -
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'Also, I'm sorry, but if we're going to get DOWN-TO-THE-POINT, I'm going to need to end this dispute here. Rules state:
A legal screen shot of a forfeit or no show (Upload to Imgur and provide links):
- CF Windowed Mode (check)
- All 5 of your players readied up (only one was, 4 would've been legible)
-A proper time stamp from http://www.time.gov visible next to game window with Eastern Time Zone selected. (you did yours on timeanddate.com)
- If applicable, in-game lobby chat evidence of the other team electing to forfeit rather than play with 4 players. (we didn't say anything, nor did you ask us)
Therefore, screenshot invalid.'
Is still correct. He even says '4 would've been legible', so you can't claim the excuse that one of their members was on your side and so you couldn't ready.
If you're going to go for the DQ with the rules, maybe you should follow the 'incredibly simple ruleset'.
I don't think you understand the fact that I don't care about the win, nor did you read my response when malice originally posted that
I don't want to be in finals, we don't deserve to be there. What I want is for the team that broke the rules on multiple occasions to be disqualified for doing so, not to be advanced. -
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'Also, I'm sorry, but if we're going to get DOWN-TO-THE-POINT, I'm going to need to end this dispute here. Rules state:
A legal screen shot of a forfeit or no show (Upload to Imgur and provide links):
- CF Windowed Mode (check)
- All 5 of your players readied up (only one was, 4 would've been legible)
-A proper time stamp from http://www.time.gov visible next to game window with Eastern Time Zone selected. (you did yours on timeanddate.com)
- If applicable, in-game lobby chat evidence of the other team electing to forfeit rather than play with 4 players. (we didn't say anything, nor did you ask us)
Therefore, screenshot invalid.'
Is still correct. He even says '4 would've been legible', so you can't claim the excuse that one of their members was on your side and so you couldn't ready.
If you're going to go for the DQ with the rules, maybe you should follow the 'incredibly simple ruleset'.
We were advanced using that screenshot, and it was later overturned. So this doesn't matter anyways. -
mateuszsweg wrote: »Us 3 are not the only people who have supported ESG. There's plenty of others that haven't posted on the forums that supported their decision. Keep my name off your ****ing keyboard and your mouth. Thanks ****ty.
And what will you do about it? Make a thread? Mouthy for a teenager. -
And what will you do about it? Make a thread? Mouthy for a teenager.
I'll make a thread like x0tek does every time he sticks his nose in something that has nothing to do with him. Or i'll make a book like zzxq does.
Nah jk, i'm not a dense minded fgt. -
mateuszsweg wrote: »I'll make a thread like x0tek does every time he sticks his nose in something that has nothing to do with him. Or i'll make a book like zzxq does.
He makes a thread voicing his opinion. Nothing like the threads simply there to flame. If that's how you want to vent your pubescent hormonal rage. By all means. -
He makes a thread voicing his opinion. Nothing like the threads simply there to flame. If that's how you want to vent your pubescent hormonal rage. By all means.
"Now, in this situation, when it's not even an AC issue - it's simply Kanata being slow..."
So saying statements like this ^, isn't meant to flame? And that's not the online time he has posted something like that, he has took multiple stabs at ESG and other people.
I'm suprised undaunted actually has some intelligent people on their team, it's too bad you still suck as bad as the rest of them. -
mateuszsweg wrote: »I'll make a thread like x0tek does every time he sticks his nose in something that has nothing to do with him. Or i'll make a book like zzxq does.
Nah jk, i'm not a dense minded fgt.
I think criticism only strengthens an organizations ability to prosper.
At the end of the day they will do with criticism as they want, so don't get mad at people who give constructive criticism to the organization, as it is solely their opinion and the organization can do with it as they please.
Even if a dispute is made that has nothing to do with anyone besides those 2 teams, if they are showing inconsistency with how they handle an issue with the team as the only differing factor, I think it should be addressed as an issue. Inconsistent rule enforcement cause an admin to look like they are making a biased call, even it was not intended to be that way. -
I think criticism only strengthens an organizations ability to prosper.
At the end of the day they will do with criticism as they want, so don't get mad at people who give constructive criticism to the organization, as it is solely their opinion and the organization can do with it as they please.
Even if a dispute is made that has nothing to do with anyone besides those 2 teams, if they are showing inconsistency with how they handle an issue with the team as the only differing factor, I think it should be addressed as an issue. Inconsistent rule enforcement cause an admin to look like they are making a biased call, even it was not intended to be that way.
I'm not going to read your paragraphs / books / essays. Don't waste your time. -
mateuszsweg wrote: »I'm not going to read your paragraphs / books / essays. Don't waste your time.
Last I checked 4 sentences was barely even a paragraph.
You not reading my post doesn't make it any less important to me, but Id suggest reading through it as I don't tend to make posts for no reason. -
Even if a dispute is made that has nothing to do with anyone besides those 2 teams, if they are showing inconsistency with how they handle an issue with the team as the only differing factor, I think it should be addressed as an issue. Inconsistent rule enforcement cause an admin to look like they are making a biased call, even it was not intended to be that way.
This ^^^^^^ -
Last I checked 4 sentences was barely even a paragraph.
You not reading my post doesn't make it any less important to me, but Id suggest reading through it as I don't tend to make posts for no reason.
Sure friend! I'll go back and read your pointless post that I or no one else cares about!!
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clientser0 wrote: »all im seeing is a team that didn't make it out of group play complaining
Eh, I just think they care about the game being played fairly, and that no one is given special treatment (Even themselves). They want the game to do well (Stockholm Syndrome).
We're on the side of the people who've had legitimate issues with ESG and they've been ignored, or in this case. DQ'd.
At the end of the day ESG has no obligation to do anything, and they can treat teams differently, hell if they want they can DQ every team in the league except for ACE.
We're just here to try and ESG to notice the fact that they've done something wrong and need to right that wrong. We've provided proof, we're not here stamping our feet just because Undaunted got knocked out of Group play.
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