G4box pretty much gave the NA/UK players the middle finger.
Face it people. That's exactly what they just did. Their "fast" response to deal with that middle-east wave-mode problem has shown where exactly their priorities are. They prioritize the middle-east player base more than the players from North America and the United kingdoms.
We the NA/UK player base have for over the last two years REPEATEDLY gave suggestions that were ALMOST ALL SIMILAR to help deal with the hacking situation and make the game more enjoyable to us. But what do they do? They didn't listen at all. Two whole years. Almost always the same suggestion which is: A Server within the game specially for NA/UK players ONLY, or a server with a HIGHER RANK REQUIREMENT, or a server for VETERAN PLAYESR with accounts over a year old.
Do you think they even considered any of these suggestions we gave? NOPE. They don't even attempt to explain why these suggestions are bad. They completely ignore it.
I want all of you to just look at how they react to appease the middle-east players, compared to how they have treated us, the players from NA and UK. Like really wtf? Yeah its a religion problem that "hinders" their enjoyment of the game, that is a insult to their way of life or w/e. But really, it's more insulting for the NA/UK players to constantly face hack waves that never get any better. It's more insulting for NA/UK players, the player they are suppose to represent, to be completely ignored for at least two years.
How is this acceptable?
Any explanations Gm-Saidin?
We the NA/UK player base have for over the last two years REPEATEDLY gave suggestions that were ALMOST ALL SIMILAR to help deal with the hacking situation and make the game more enjoyable to us. But what do they do? They didn't listen at all. Two whole years. Almost always the same suggestion which is: A Server within the game specially for NA/UK players ONLY, or a server with a HIGHER RANK REQUIREMENT, or a server for VETERAN PLAYESR with accounts over a year old.
Do you think they even considered any of these suggestions we gave? NOPE. They don't even attempt to explain why these suggestions are bad. They completely ignore it.
I want all of you to just look at how they react to appease the middle-east players, compared to how they have treated us, the players from NA and UK. Like really wtf? Yeah its a religion problem that "hinders" their enjoyment of the game, that is a insult to their way of life or w/e. But really, it's more insulting for the NA/UK players to constantly face hack waves that never get any better. It's more insulting for NA/UK players, the player they are suppose to represent, to be completely ignored for at least two years.
How is this acceptable?
Any explanations Gm-Saidin?
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Are you talking about these arabics writtings on a certain wall?
If yes, here's why I think they reacted so fast to the situation (I think it's the most logicial answer)
They could have easily get a lawsuit for this. and they would have probably lost.
Losing a lawsuit = losing a lot of money.
Losing money for a business = not good.
They do not "directly" loses money by not banning hackers. All they get is complains but they obviously "don't care" because people still play this game.
If people still play this game = money for them.
You can't compare these two situations. They do not prefer middle-east players blablabla
It's all about money. Everything is always about money.
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Face it people. That's exactly what they just did. Their "fast" response to deal with that middle-east wave-mode problem has shown where exactly their priorities are. They prioritize the middle-east player base more than the players from North America and the United kingdoms.
We the NA/UK player base have for over the last two years REPEATEDLY gave suggestions that were ALMOST ALL SIMILAR to help deal with the hacking situation and make the game more enjoyable to us. But what do they do? They didn't listen at all. Two whole years. Almost always the same suggestion which is: A Server within the game specially for NA/UK players ONLY, or a server with a HIGHER RANK REQUIREMENT, or a server for VETERAN PLAYESR with accounts over a year old.
Do you think they even considered any of these suggestions we gave? NOPE. They don't even attempt to explain why these suggestions are bad. They completely ignore it.
I want all of you to just look at how they react to appease the middle-east players, compared to how they have treated us, the players from NA and UK. Like really wtf? Yeah its a religion problem that "hinders" their enjoyment of the game, that is a insult to their way of life or w/e. But really, it's more insulting for the NA/UK players to constantly face hack waves that never get any better. It's more insulting for NA/UK players, the player they are suppose to represent, to be completely ignored for at least two years.
How is this acceptable?
Any explanations Gm-Saidin?
I agree on MOST of what you said but all these issues always existed, i guess, but the Muslim writings were not a familiar thing, that insulted a whole "race", not saying it was on purpose, but is it fixed yet? no they said it WILL be removed but did they? I would've done the same if i either had a solution or not just to stop those mad people, then deal with it later.
so it wasn't a fast response or something the papers are still there so don't judge them on that. the rest of the post i have no comment on that.
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There are servers with higher rank requirements.
And they have tried to announce a time ago that they were looking into raising that requirement. Now it is probable that the observation itself wasn't well announced, or that not enough players were notified, especially the players that had the most concern about it. In the end, the observation was concluded that server usage wasn't high enough to garner enough support to be maintained as a server requirement.
Again, because this was a while back, it's a little fuzzy. But there was an attempt made, and it did not garner support then. But I'm not going to delve into whether enough notification was made or not, the politics of that situation is too tiring to fight it out. lol.
But yes, in Foxtrot and I think UK5 there are higher rank requirements. I guess the actual question that should be stated is why aren't there enough players playing on those servers instead of say... Alpha and UK4.
At least this is the opinion I have on the topic at hand. -
I honestly don't think that it's middle eastern players that keep spending money (I have yet to see an Egyptian who spent money on this game, I guess poverty is a serious issue in their country), but g4's main source of revenue is NA/UK players who spend a lot of money on this game despite their dissatisfaction with the situation. Simply put, as long as people spend money, g4box won't find a reason to deal with the situation in the first place.
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Okay so this is what im gonna say-
1. most hackers have the random arabic names like mohamed mohmed and all that
2. they dont speak english all hacks are made by them
3. muslims cant play fairly so they use hacks to be "better"
4. they hack 24/7
5. if they get banned they make new accounts
6. the reason why the pages of there book is on the walls is because the map is located in the arabic area.
7. why not make a better hacking system [GM]Saidin
8. we flipped the arabics of because we hate them because they are fuucking assh0les that ruin ALL of our games.
Most of the games like combat arms and AVA have hackers. all i see there ign is muslims. fuucking assh0les. fix the FUUCKING game already. they ripped me off by only giving me 10k ZP when i bought a 20k card like TF GUYS. MAN UP AND FIX THE GAME. look at china (CFCN) they did an EXCELLENT job of there system. now they are making new VIPS,guns,maps,and modes that other countries are getting. CFEU has shadow mode already. CFCN has kurki VIP. CFCN has M4 black knight VIP. bring in all there stuff here. they have a mode already that is race mode. new ZM maps. Why dont u release here? are u a lazy ass [GM]s? think about it -
joeyypikes wrote: »CFEU has shadow mode already.. bring in all there stuff here. they have a mode already that is race mode. new ZM maps. Why dont u release here? are u a lazy ass [GM]s? think about it
Didn't we just get 2 maps and EU got 1 map ?
when you compare our version don't compare it to CFCN but compare it to all other versions except the china one , and I see that beside hacking issue our version is rly good -
joeyypikes wrote: »Okay so this is what im gonna say-
1. most hackers have the random arabic names like mohamed mohmed and all that
2. they dont speak english all hacks are made by them
3. muslims cant play fairly so they use hacks to be "better"
4. they hack 24/7
5. if they get banned they make new accounts
6. the reason why the pages of there book is on the walls is because the map is located in the arabic area.
7. why not make a better hacking system [GM]Saidin
8. we flipped the arabics of because we hate them because they are fuucking assh0les that ruin ALL of our games.
Most of the games like combat arms and AVA have hackers. all i see there ign is muslims. fuucking assh0les. fix the FUUCKING game already. they ripped me off by only giving me 10k ZP when i bought a 20k card like TF GUYS. MAN UP AND FIX THE GAME. look at china (CFCN) they did an EXCELLENT job of there system. now they are making new VIPS,guns,maps,and modes that other countries are getting. CFEU has shadow mode already. CFCN has kurki VIP. CFCN has M4 black knight VIP. bring in all there stuff here. they have a mode already that is race mode. new ZM maps. Why dont u release here? are u a lazy ass [GM]s? think about it
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its not only Egyptians hack. Muslims do NOT only exist in Egypt. Please get your facts right! and please don't be racist, everyone knows Egyptians hack, but not ONLY them.
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its not only Egyptians hack. Muslims do NOT only exist in Egypt. Please get your facts right! and please don't be racist, everyone knows Egyptians hack, but not ONLY them.
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sir i know that but its ****ing me off. like i said and u said they both hack. i mean i use to hack then i learned the hard way not to hack i overcame that now im in ESG. -
Surely even you see that it's easier to remove a bit of map than rewriting the entire game to stop cheating.
How this is negative for NA/UK players, there is a fair share of muslims in these regions too, is beyond me.
Certainly it's preferable to have an if not positive then neutral environment in game.
If a simple issue can be dealt with to help with this, it makes sense to just do it, instead of having to think about threads like this. -
I want all of you to just look at how they react to appease the middle-east players, compared to how they have treated us, the players from NA and UK. Like really wtf?
Yep that is true.
When they ban people for saying allah doesn't exist but not when others say he does it is a clear bias.
Same for the forum moderating really where you can jew bash openly but not say Egyptians are the ones mostly hacking.I agree on MOST of what you said but all these issues always existed, i guess, but the Muslim writings were not a familiar thing, that insulted a whole "race"
Insulted an whole race? really what race is Islam?
And if Islam is a race then it's the most racist movement on the planet, since it categorizes others as less then a muslim example a kafir.
Also the map is just based in the ME and has arabic writing I don't see what the problem is. -
joeyypikes wrote: »sir i know that but its ****ing me off. like i said and u said they both hack. i mean i use to hack then i learned the hard way not to hack i overcame that now im in ESG.
well we all have to deal with the same issues as you. But you know what, try killing a hacker oneday and watch him/her rq xD thats what made me love S&D games more, plot twist.:D:D -
Yep that is true.
When they ban people for saying allah doesn't exist but not when others say he does it is a clear bias.
Same for the forum moderating really where you can jew bash openly but not say Egyptians are the ones mostly hacking.
Insulted an whole race? really what race is Islam?
And if Islam is a race then it's the most racist movement on the planet, since it categorizes others as less then a muslim example a kafir.
Also the map is just based in the ME and has arabic writing I don't see what the problem is.
that is exactly why i put it in quotaions, because it snot a race, but as everyone saw it was 98% Egys mad, so its considered that only egys are muslims so....yea a "race"
and the arabic writing has Allah in it, so its an insult to muslims, and as i said i don't mean that it was on purpose. -
that is exactly why i put it in quotaions, because it snot a race, but as everyone saw it was 98% Egys mad, so its considered that only egys are muslims so....yea a "race"
and the arabic writing has Allah in it, so its an insult to muslims, and as i said i don't mean that it was on purpose.
So lets get this right.
Islam is not a race but rather a religion? Like every normal person thought it is?
And the word "Allah" is insulting to muslims? -
He meant religion. Problem solved. He thought the word race was necessary as a classification to make it racism, which isn't true. Religion is enough.So lets get this right.
Islam is not a race but rather a religion? Like every normal person thought it is?
And the word "Allah" is insulting to muslims?
The Quran may not touch the ground. Surely you already know this. -
He meant religion. Problem solved. He thought the word race was necessary as a classification to make it racism, which isn't true. Religion is enough.
The Quran may not touch the ground. Surely you already know this.
Oh really?
Well what happens if a muslim drops one do they go to hell? If your baby is falling from somewhere do you drop the quran or let the baby fall?
And also it isn't a quran that is in game nor is it even a real quran if it was indeed a digital one. So why does it matter if it's on the floor? A virtual floor at that....
Muslims are just far too touchy bunch in general especially in none western countries. Thankfully ones that I consider normal like warhawk doesn't take issue with it (he's muslim). -
No, but it's disrespectful and it has to be discarded or cleansed, I'm not sure the latter is an option.Oh really?
Well what happens if a muslim drops one do they go to hell? If your baby is falling from somewhere do you drop the quran or let the baby fall?
And also it isn't a quran that is in game nor is it even a real quran if it was indeed a digital one. So why does it matter if it's on the floor? A virtual floor at that....
Muslims are just far too touchy bunch in general especially in none western countries. Thankfully ones that I consider normal like warhawk doesn't take issue with it (he's muslim).
Obviously it's just pixels, I don't see it because I'm not a man of religion, but it being offensive for someone else is reason enough for me to think it a bit over-board. -
No, but it's disrespectful and it has to be discarded or cleansed, I'm not sure the latter is an option.
Obviously it's just pixels, I don't see it because I'm not a man of religion, but it being offensive for someone else is reason enough for me to think it a bit over-board.
Or they could just be religious idiots? Like the pope telling people not to use condoms in Africa.
You know just stupidity and hair trigger sensitivity? -
Or it goes against their religion and they want it corrected?Or they could just be religious idiots? Like the pope telling people not to use condoms in Africa.
You know just stupidity and hair trigger sensitivity?
The most interesting thing about all this is that people who are not concerned are still offended that an offense is taken seriously.
Clearly there is an animosity at play, not just indifference. -
Or it goes against their religion and they want it corrected?
The most interesting thing about all this is that people who are not concerned are still offended that an offense is taken seriously.
Clearly there is an animosity at play, not just indifference.
Yea there is animosity at play we don't need to cater to religious people that play shooting games, nor cater to them at all.
Religion should be a private thing that doesn't affect anyone else.
But then again we have people killed for drawing cartoons, making films etc.
They can be muslim and abide by the quran that doesn't mean we all have to, you know because we aren't muslims.
Offending them would be saying bad things about allah or swearing about allah, those things are offensive.
Graffiti on mosques is offensive etc
Saying "Allah isn't real" etc cannot be offensive, they are just bigots.
And to demonstrate the problem with muslims:
If you state allah is NOT real (when they know he is) then they cannot be offended the most they can feel is that you are stupid.
If I said to you z8games doesn't exist would you be offended? ofc not.... Those that get offended probably do not think he exists either.....
Think about it. -
Alts.. a habit I'll never understand.Yea there is animosity at play we don't need to cater to religious people that play shooting games, nor cater to them at all.
Religion should be a private thing that doesn't affect anyone else.
But then again we have people killed for drawing cartoons, making films etc.
They can be muslim and abide by the quran that doesn't mean we all have to, you know because we aren't muslims.
Offending them would be saying bad things about allah or swearing about allah, those things are offensive.
Graffiti on mosques is offensive etc
Saying "Allah isn't real" etc cannot be offensive, they are just bigots.
Anyway, you don't need to cater to anyone, developers will do that.
Because an easily corrected offense to a whole lot of people should be corrected, even if removing a few pixels might grind your gears.
It's pretty clear that you don't understand the offense, neither do I fully, but I really don't have to.
Someone else being offended is enough, and what happens about it is of little concern to me because I don't have to do it.
moved to OT because this is more of a religion discussion than one about Crossfire. -
Alts.. a habit I'll never understand.
Anyway, you don't need to cater to anyone, developers will do that.
Because an easily corrected offense to a whole lot of people should be corrected, even if removing a few pixels might grind your gears.
It's pretty clear that you don't understand the offense, neither do I fully, but I really don't have to.
Someone else being offended is enough, and what happens about it is of little concern to me because I don't have to do it.
In all honesty I don't think they remove it.
There's no reason to. -
Alts.. a habit I'll never understand.
Anyway, you don't need to cater to anyone, developers will do that.
Because an easily corrected offense to a whole lot of people should be corrected, even if removing a few pixels might grind your gears.
It's pretty clear that you don't understand the offense, neither do I fully, but I really don't have to.
Someone else being offended is enough, and what happens about it is of little concern to me because I don't have to do it.
Lol, you are a robot?
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I don't think they will either, not in a timely fashion anyway, but I can not fathom how it could be a bad thing if they did.In all honesty I don't think they remove it.
There's no reason to.
No, I'm not a robot..? I have feelings! -
but I can not fathom how it could be a bad thing if they did.
So you see no problem with living under Islamic law? Every Time a film comes out, a product etc it has to comply with islamic law/scripture and teachings?
If you think everything should be suited to muslims are you sure you are not one?
And even if you were don't you think it's a bit supremacist to think everything in the world should be your way the islamic way?
What next Smilegate release a pig mask item and there is a riot on the forum until it's removed? lmao -
I don't think this is a huge step towards global dominion, I think it's religious people being offended by something that is extremely offensive to them.So you see no problem with living under Islamic law? Every Time a film comes out, a product etc it has to comply with islamic law/scripture and teachings?
If you think everything should be suited to muslims are you sure you are not one?
And even if you were don't you think it's a bit supremacist to think everything in the world should be your way the islamic way?
What next Smilegate release a pig mask item and there is a riot on the forum until it's removed? lmao -
Alts.. a habit I'll never understand.
Anyway, you don't need to cater to anyone, developers will do that.
Because an easily corrected offense to a whole lot of people should be corrected, even if removing a few pixels might grind your gears.
It's pretty clear that you don't understand the offense, neither do I fully, but I really don't have to.
Someone else being offended is enough, and what happens about it is of little concern to me because I don't have to do it.
moved to OT because this is more of a religion discussion than one about Crossfire.
Well if this is true, then i'm pretty offended by hackers. Cheating in an online FPS is against my religion. What is my religion you may ask? Telling you is also against my religion. GG -
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My ideology would prevent me from answering you, but I'm quite open so I disregard that.Well if this is true, then i'm pretty offended by hackers. Cheating in an online FPS is against my religion. What is my religion you may ask? Telling you is also against my religion. GG
This is my choice though, theirs is to not disregard it.
Cheating is against my standards as well, but contrary to removing a few pixels on a map, ridding the world cheating is impossible. -
I don't think this is a huge step towards global dominion, I think it's religious people being offended by something that is extremely offensive to them.
They get "offend" if you tell them "God doesn't exist", whilst they say Allah is real and know he is real and their life revolves around him. So what would a normal person think who knows their god is real and they know you are going to hell for not believing? They would think "stupid person".
So where does "offended" come into it? And why bother reporting people? And why the double standard. Would any reasonable person be "offended" if I said Z8games doesn't exist? No they'd laugh it off.
The truth is lots of muslims have a hair trigger sensitivity to perceived insults because they want things done their way and if you don't agree you get threats from the followers of this peaceful religion.
What did one of them post here "It will be removed or else", which translates to bow down or there will be trouble and I'm sure z8 are doing their best to accommodate them.
And they didn't post and say it's offensive please remove it either the general tone was "this will be removed".
Just a pushy bunch of religious nuts that have nothing better to do.
I'd like to see that much outrage about their fellow brothers hacking, but a few pixels is more important to them.
Just like in the real world films offend them, cartoons offend them but stuff that actually matters doesn't. Not even killing each other lol. I've never seen a riot about womens rights but if a film isn't to their standards then they must do something.
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