Palestine/Israel

Atheistic

dzoser wrote: »

how does it not affect me in anyway?, even if it didn't why cant i stand for justice?

Ofc they can but you never hear Muslims whining on about any other issue of importance like they do with this one?

dzoser wrote: »

now when the peace becomes impossible you should ask yourself an important question..... why?

It might be something to do with this way of thinking.

And this: Islam and antisemitism

Yusuf al-Qaradawi[edit]
In a sermon, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on January 9, 2009 (as translated by MEMRI), Egyptian Muslim scholar and preacher Yusuf al-Qaradawi stated:
"Oh Allah, take your enemies, the enemies of Islam. Oh Allah, take the Jews, the treacherous aggressors. Oh Allah, take this profligate, cunning, arrogant band of people. Oh Allah, they have spread much tyranny and corruption in the land. Pour Your wrath upon them, oh our God. Lie in wait for them. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people of Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, and You annihilated the people of 'Aad with a fierce, icy gale. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, You annihilated the people of 'Aad with a fierce, icy gale, and You destroyed the Pharaoh and his soldiers — oh Allah, take this oppressive, tyrannical band of people. Oh Allah, take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one."[123][124][125][126]

In a subsequent speech on Al-Jazeera on January 30, 2009, al-Qaradawi expressed his views on Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, stating (as translated by MEMRI):
"Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers".[125][127][128][129]

dzoser

noobynoobnob wrote: »

Yusuf al-Qaradawi

no no no, the answer is not this, the answer is: Injustice

please do not refer to me Yusuf al-Qaradawi as refrence, this guy is not even allowed to enter egypt, hes expelled, he currently lives in qatar,

u know what qatar is? biggest arab ally with israel

israel use and fund this kind of extermist thinkers for their propaganda, not even to mention they fund even organisations like hamas undirectly, and in syria, what israel themselfs call terrorists, because simply, they feed israel's existence, funny how 50 missles launched from hamas against israel and not 1 structure or 1 person injured?

a divide to conquer policy

you are not listening, just enclosed upon ur propaganda mission, good luck

Atheistic

dzoser wrote: »

no no no, the answer is not this, the answer is: Injustice

There is injustice very close to you in Africa now and in the past such as Rwandan Genocide. I don't remember Muslims getting all upset about that as they do with Israel and that was far far worse.

dzoser wrote: »

please do not refer to me Yusuf al-Qaradawi as refrence, this guy is not even allowed to enter egypt, hes expelled, he currently lives in qatar

It looks like he returned to Egypt in 2011 after your "revolution". Also he was was "jailed three times for his relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and subsequently stripped of his Egyptian citizenship in the 1970’s—driving him to seek exile in Qatar." - Not for Jew hatred (I notice)

dzoser wrote: »

u know what qatar is? biggest arab ally with israel

israel use and fund this kind of extermist thinkers for their propaganda, not even to mention they fund even organisations like hamas undirectly, and in syria, what israel themselfs call terrorists, because simply, they feed israel's existence, funny how 50 missles launched from hamas against israel and not 1 structure or 1 person injured?

a divide to conquer policy

You mean Israel supports Anti Semites (like you) to bolster sympathy? Do you work for Israel too then?

Here he is on Youtube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HStliOnVl6Q‎

Praising the Hitler and his actions.

Here he is again in our newspaper with some nice quotes about Jews:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alanjohnson/100216030/ken-livingstones-favourite-islamist-spreads-jew-hatred-in-gaza/

With him it's not Israel that is the problem either and that was the point. I think many Muslims simply latch on to this conflict to legitimise their Jew hatred.

And it's ok to brush him off as a nut job but:

Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Arabic: يوسف القرضاوي Yūsuf al-Qaraḍāwī‎; or Yusuf al-Qardawi; born 9 September 1926) is an Egyptian Islamic theologian. He is best known for his programme, al-Sharīʿa wa al-Ḥayāh ("Shariah and Life"), broadcast on Al Jazeera, which has an estimated audience of 60 million worldwide.[1][2] He is also well known for IslamOnline, a popular website he helped found in 1997 and for which he now serves as chief religious scholar.[3]
Al-Qaradawi has published more than 120 books,[2] including The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam and Islam: The Future Civilization. He has also received eight international prizes for his contributions to Islamic scholarship,[4] and is considered one of the most influential such scholars living today.[1][5][6] Al-Qaradawi has long had a prominent role within the intellectual leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood,[7] an Egyptian political organization, but twice (in 1976 and 2004) turned down offers for the official role in the organization.[1][8]
Some of al-Qaradawi's views have been controversial in the West:[9] he was refused an entry visa to the United Kingdom in 2008,[10] and barred from entering France in 2012.[11]
As of 2004, al-Qaradawi was a trustee of the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies.[12] He also served as a consultant scholar for an epic movie in English on Muhammad, and a 30-part series on the second caliph ‘Umar b. al-Khațțāb.[13][14][15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi

Also he doesn't seem that isolated since he makes #31 of the 500 most influential Muslims - http://themuslim500.com/profile/sheikh-dr-yusuf-al-qaradawi

Black_Jesus

what about the real jews who reject the zionism & occupation of Palestine??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

dzoser

pfff... whatver... the #31 most influental muslim is expelled from entering egypt!

whatever are the sources or whomever put this rankings, he is very unpopular man in egypt, didnt i tell u u post propaganda?

i have been on the forums all day,, see you tmorow will talk about wether the rwandan genocide is far worse than israeli genocide(s) or not

Atheistic

lReZ wrote: »

what about the real jews who reject the zionism & occupation of Palestine??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

Maybe you didn't read your own link?

Neturei Karta (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: נטורי קרתא nāṭūrī qarṯā, literally "Guardians of the City") is a Jewish religious group, formally created in Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine, in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisrael. Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah

Do you get it now?

]JuLLs[

xiaofreaky wrote: »

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Many more to go before israel, but definitely better than egybt

Egybt has best special forces ever seen = ALLAHU AKBAR SPECIAL FORCES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g8H1-58uik)

dzoser

i did tell them couple times about neturi karta, no1 checks

now:check Noam Chomski

Julls: stop posting you know "cool" irelative to the subject stuff

Black_Jesus

noobynoobnob wrote: »

Do you get it now?

yes i get that they oppose Zionism and call for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah

Atheistic

lReZ wrote: »

yes i get that they oppose Zionism and call for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah

So it's based on religious nonsense?

Black_Jesus

noobynoobnob wrote: »

So it's based on religious nonsense?

but israel is the jewish state, so your basically implying isreal is based on religious nonsense

Atheistic

lReZ wrote: »

but israel is the jewish state, so your basically implying isreal is based on religious nonsense

If you want to put it that way sure, your all as mad as each other.

I'm Atheist. So when are we going to dismantle Saudi Arabia?

Black_Jesus

noobynoobnob wrote: »

If you want to put it that way sure, your all as mad as each other.

I'm Atheist. So when are we going to dismantle Saudi Arabia?

when another group uses religious claims that they lived there thousands of years ago and moves all their people there to build illegal settlements

warhawkEGEBT

I'm just going to post songs.. don't mind me :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEkjbnHIEFc

]JuLLs[

I don't care about jews or palestinians since I know horrible things about them.

Werdna88

Hope everyone got out what they wanted... I think the racism in here is hard to avoid during the debates.