War in Europe.
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The US will not get involved physically.
And really nothing else was accurate either (except probably US debt).
yes barry is a very weak president, i mean if we had someone like reagan again, you would be seeing some u.s. birds in the sky alreadyhttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865
don´t even want to think of what would happen
if the west got involved in this...
i really do so hope either, not for my own sake of being deployed but for the sake of europe itself, would be awful to see it become a war zone, personally barry shouldn't have even warned putin, i mean that's putin's back yard, just let him have it, but we will see how far this man's pride and ego go, more than likely this will just end with a failed diplomacy resolution, and again the u.s. will look weak and non-credible for any sort of foreign policy, looking at what has happened in his presidency from a failed arab spring intervention, benghazi, failure to exit Afghanistan, submission to putin/assad in syria, another failed negotiation with iran and china's over zealous in the eastern waters with japan, this guy should really leave foreign policy to someone else. this doesn't even include all the spying on our foreign allies which has diminished the trust that took years to build.. if you ask me, this guy in his short term and a half has made the country significantly weaker on nearly all aspects. -
45KILOGRAMS wrote: »wow you are an idiot
Explanation:
I felt it was needed based on the responses I got.
1st line- a joke on the Russia v U.S. communism v democracy
2nd line- by involved I meant keeping a close eye on things. Spreading of communism etc. (should have specified more)
The U.S. is ,debatably, the backbone of the U.N.
3rd line- I feel the people who helped establish the government should get a thank you of sorts. Monetarily or with resources, after the government is fully stable, Assuming they asked for help.
You don't have to like it, it's my opinion. -
Dino_Steezy wrote: »Explanation:
I felt it was needed based on the responses I got.
1st line- a joke on the Russia v U.S. communism v democracy
2nd line- by involved I meant keeping a close eye on things. Spreading of communism etc. (should have specified more)
You don't have to like it, it's my opinion.
Ummm, this isn't the Cold War. Nor is it a continuation of it. I do not comprehend your inclusion of communism vs democracy.
The foreign policy of "containing communism" doesn't seem to apply to this current conflict.
Edit: but of course, it is your opinion.
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It's not enough to end the conflict (nor what I consider "getting involved physically"), but it's all they can and should and likely will do.Well, saying "We don't approve of Russia's involvement." isn't enough? Because that's what every country does before closing their eyes and consider the matter as settled.
U.S has nothing to gain and everything to lose in going to war with Russia, which they would be once they sat official foot in Crimea or Ukraine. -
One reason is apparently that fascists (anti-Russians) were elected to government and protests in both directions followed, Russia decided to intervene because >70% of the population in Crimea is Russian and they were being threatened.
Dear Dot, come to Ukraine and try to find fascists in Ukraine...
Don't believe to russian propaganda...
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what i am talking about, Englander, is that crimea is russian in the first place and it was gifted 60 years ago to ukraine when even ukraine was part of the soviet union, crimea has 59% russians and 24% ukrainian 12% tatars... if the majority of crimean ppl wants russia and not to speak ukrainian as main language y not give them what they want? ... its funny the black sea russian fleet in sevastopol asks for ukraine consent whenever they want upgrade or replace ships... i think russia has been nice enough on the crimea matter and now they remove thier pro-russia president so its just a political matter... u want be ukraine 100% and make conflicts? so russia wants wants crimea back.. its an important agricultural and wine-producing region with rich tobacco plantations also a popular tourist region because of its subtropical climate and numerous seaside resorts... the russian black sea fleet is there since 1783!! but the history of crimea is full of invadors through history so its hard to tell what its really is but if the ppl of crimea wants russian why not give them what they want?
meanwhile in the same world
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In my naive and perfect little world, the ukraine gifts crimea back to the russians (fancy giftwrap and all that) in return russia helps the ukraine back on their feet (economy) while noone is forced to leave crimea. Then there is a big party, lots of high quality vodka and a huge firework, which is ignited by V. Putin himself.
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Dear Dot, come to Ukraine and try to find fascists in Ukraine...
Don't believe to russian propaganda
Are you sure?
Today i have seen in a newspaper from my country a photo with some ukrainians holding a flag supporting the Greek neo-nazi political faction, Golden Dawn
They were stating that they are brothers with Golden Dawn
You might say that it is russian propaganda too but i dont think so since my country is in NATO (american friendly) and it wont really benefit by "defending" russian policy
Anyways thats the info i know so far
Of course i cant be sure since i dont live in Ukraine so i might be wrong -
Rikardandy wrote: »I hope that not much muslims live in Ukrainia because if a War beginn, all crazy al quaida muslims go than to ukrainia like in the Syria War and we have than in Europe a new ''afghanistan''`and a big civil war!!
Stereotypes...
I feel pity for you -
Dear Dot, come to Ukraine and try to find fascists in Ukraine...
Don't believe to russian propaganda...
The media I read is very anti-Russian, so I don't believe a pro-Russian bias is in play.
Footnote; You'll find fascists in every country and likely every government - just very few openly unless the political climate in the country allows it.
To my knowledge, some right-wing extremist are part of the current Ukrainian government.
That said, the current government is intermediary until the election in a month(?), so if that is the excuse for invasion, it's a very weak one.
But again to my knowledge, the official explanation is mostly the naval base, which isn't without validity.
This isn't much of an issue in my mind unless Russia goes further than Crimea.
Sure it sets a dangerous precedent but this isn't really unexpected in that Putins desire for a new Russian empire is hardly a secret.
Feet on the ground in eastern Ukraine proper would be a very big deal, the start of something we don't want. -
double post, forgive me.
"The ultimatum, from the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Alexander Vitko, has a base in Crimea where Russian forces are now in control.
According to the agency, it reads: "If they do not surrender before 5am (3am GMT) tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea."
"The New York Times reports that after speaking with Putin by phone, German Chancellor Angela Merkel wasn’t sure that he was in touch with reality and that he seemed as if he was “in another world.” So, it’s not clear how the now obvious consequences will figure into his decision making. Russia could very well be entering an economic crises not seen since the 90′s."
"I’m not a military expert, but the western personnel I have spoken to consider the Ukrainian forces to be more prepared than their Russian counterparts. One way to understand the difference in quality is to look at the the ratio of professional soldiers to conscripts. Ukraine’s armed forces are 60% professional; Russia’s only 30%.
Further, when the Soviet Union broke up, much of its arms industry was located in Ukraine, which even today remains the world’s 9th largest arms supplier. And Ukraine would most likely receive support, both overt and covert, from NATO allies on its borders—Poland especially—and electronic intelligence from the United States.
Of course, Russia’s armed forces are far larger, but there would be no easy victory. In the meantime, harsh sanctions would surely go into effect. Many of Russia’s elite would see their assets frozen and travel visas revoked. Its banks would be cut off from the international financial system. Trade with the West would grind to a halt. Within weeks, shoppers in Moscow would start to see empty shelves."
SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine — Russia’s move to seize control of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula on Saturday led Ukraine to call up its military reserves on Sunday and warn Moscow against further incursions as Western powers scrambled to find a response to the crisis.
it's oooon. -
The media I read is very anti-Russian, so I don't believe a pro-Russian bias is in play.
If you don't know, what happens in Ukraine now - ask me. I'm from Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine.
And trust me - DON'T TRUST to Russian media. Or learn Russian first, ok? -
"Russia has rejected reports that it threatened Ukraine with military assault if it does not surrender the Crimea by 3am on Tuesday as "total nonsense"."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-latest-g7-condemns-russias-movement-into-the-crimea-9164961.html -
last news from Ukraine
20:47 Russia is accumulating armed forces by the land borders with Ukraine – such actions can be proof of Russia preparing to invade, writes ZN.ua.
The National Border Control Service of Ukraine observes accumulation of artillery on the territory of the Russian Federation near the national border within the Kharkiv, Lugansk, Donyetsk regions.
Thus, across from the Kharkiv border control lot:
- on the railway station Lesniki of Voronezh region of the Russian federation, 9 echelons of artillery (armoured personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles) have arrived, which have unloaded on the territory of the organic unit number 63796 (the artillery that is located near the village of Liski);
- on the border between the departments “Pletenevka” and “Oktyabrskoye” in the “Bochkovo-Leninskoe” direction within 1,5-2 kilometres into Russia from the border, there are 5 armoured personnel carriers, 2 “Ural” automobiles and a field kitchen. The border police of the Russian federation are blocking movement of locals in this direction.
Across from the Donyetsk border control lot:
- department of the FSS of the Russian Federation “Veselo-Voznesenovka” have been alerted;
- at the checkpoint “Veselo-Voznesenovka – Novoazovsk” no vehicles with Russian registration are allowed across the border to Ukraine.
Across from the Lugansk border control lot:
- locals in the direction of Millerovo-Diakovo within 3-4 kilometres of the national border are observing accumulation of artillery vehicles;
- between Lugansk and Donyetsk regions within 2 kilometres of the national border accumulation of artillery is observed.
Meanwhile, according to the General Consulate of Ukraine in Rostov-on-the-Don, the governor of the Rostov region of the Russian Federation has given orders about the establishment of refugee camps in Kuibyshev region.
Such actions of the government representatives in Russia can be testament to the fact that Russia is preparing a possible invasion on the Ukrainian territory on land.
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So I guess there's only an hour left till this alleged ultimatum expires and we'll see if Russia indeed will start something over Crimea.
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http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/strategic-partnership.html
I suppose the most this "partnership" states is that if there's a border violation then there will be discussion. -.-
I wonder if the certain members of US Congress do want to see Obama do "something", well why don't they give Obama an authorization to use military force.
But then again, of course that could only escalate an already precarious situation. -
You're saying Putin is an exiled head of state?
I suppose you're Ukrainian.
Oh well. But I do hope the conflict ends without any bloodshed.
now conflict is frozen. But, "unknown armed people" is in the Crimea. Putin don't return his troops to home.
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I don't think it's very hilarious at all, being a small undefended neighbor with and politically always a little intimidated by Russia.The hilarity of misinformation is staggering.
Not so much personally, but all it takes is one stupid and afraid person.
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