Seriously?
How are we supposed to compete with Chinese teams? They get to bootcamp, while American teams can't even get a decent warm up due to the fact that the game is flooded with cheaters. I feel bad for socks and kanata. Don't get me wrong, there were times where it would be hard to find a cheater but now? Damn. Just damn.
I tend to do a lot of TD and I literally haven't had at least one cheater in a game in 2 weeks. What is that? Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it? Are you scared of potential ZP buyers getting banned or what is your problem?
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At first I thought z8 wouldn't want to do it due to the fact that too many zp buyers would get banned but when you think about it, in a long run, z8 would end up benefiting. Not for the first few weeks or so but oh well. Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to move forward.
1. 90% of cheaters are not ZP buyers. People that buy ZP would buy even more because they would be able to play in peace again.
2. ZP buyers that quit the game could possibly come back to the game.
3. Competitive players from other games would definitely hear about it which could mean making the competitive scene larger.
4. Speaking of competitive scene, we would definitely be thrilled to finally be able to warm up and pub and not only get on to scrim at night + a possibility of starting to, or buying more zp.
5. More leagues and smaller tournaments for us to play due to the fact that it would be so easy to organize them. Once again, benefiting all the players.
6. Healthier community; whether it's the competitive or not, people would definitely act different. I can sense the frustration in pubs whether it's a random br, a random american player, or a competitive player. EVERYONE is upset. Healthier community = Profit$$$$$$$$$$
7. A lot more recognition for skilled players, which would only strengthen the already healthy community and make more players want to become competitive.
Clearly a competetive forum topic so don't you dare delete it.
#discuss
[GM]Saidin
Profanity removed. Infraction given. It doesn't matter whether this is a competitive topic, or who you are, it does not give you free reign to break the rules.
I tend to do a lot of TD and I literally haven't had at least one cheater in a game in 2 weeks. What is that? Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it? Are you scared of potential ZP buyers getting banned or what is your problem?
Edit:
At first I thought z8 wouldn't want to do it due to the fact that too many zp buyers would get banned but when you think about it, in a long run, z8 would end up benefiting. Not for the first few weeks or so but oh well. Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to move forward.
1. 90% of cheaters are not ZP buyers. People that buy ZP would buy even more because they would be able to play in peace again.
2. ZP buyers that quit the game could possibly come back to the game.
3. Competitive players from other games would definitely hear about it which could mean making the competitive scene larger.
4. Speaking of competitive scene, we would definitely be thrilled to finally be able to warm up and pub and not only get on to scrim at night + a possibility of starting to, or buying more zp.
5. More leagues and smaller tournaments for us to play due to the fact that it would be so easy to organize them. Once again, benefiting all the players.
6. Healthier community; whether it's the competitive or not, people would definitely act different. I can sense the frustration in pubs whether it's a random br, a random american player, or a competitive player. EVERYONE is upset. Healthier community = Profit$$$$$$$$$$
7. A lot more recognition for skilled players, which would only strengthen the already healthy community and make more players want to become competitive.
Clearly a competetive forum topic so don't you dare delete it.
#discuss
[GM]Saidin
Profanity removed. Infraction given. It doesn't matter whether this is a competitive topic, or who you are, it does not give you free reign to break the rules.
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Guy has a point.
but
For them to force people to run it on that server requires z8 to do more work and we all know z8 tries there best to stop the cheaters from this game.
jk they like money more.
If people were to stop spending money on the game maybe z8 would get **** done or just die.
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For them to force people to run it on that server requires z8 to do more work and we all know z8 tries there best to stop the cheaters from this game.
jk they like money more.
This would potentially give them more money and revive the game on top of that. Let's be honest, bravo was almost full at nights during the week! Now there's barely any people there during the weekends. They clearly have to do something. Also, as I mentioned before, they would end up making A LOT more money. -
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Respect points to you PimpHow the **** are we supposed to compete with Chinese teams? They get to bootcamp, while American teams can't even get a decent warm up due to the fact that the game is flooded with cheaters. I feel bad for socks and kanata. Don't get me wrong, there were times where it would be hard to find a cheater but now? Damn. Just damn.
I tend to do a lot of TD and I literally haven't had at least one cheater in a game in 2 weeks. What the **** is that? Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it? Are you scared of potential ZP buyers getting banned or what the **** is your problem?
Edit:
At first I thought z8 wouldn't want to do it due to the fact that too many zp buyers would get banned but when you think about it, in a long run, z8 would end up benefiting. Not for the first few weeks or so but oh well. Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to move forward.
1. 90% of cheaters are not ZP buyers. People that buy ZP would buy even more because they would be able to play in peace again.
2. ZP buyers that quit the game could possibly come back to the game.
3. Competitive players from other games would definitely hear about it which could mean making the competitive scene larger.
4. Speaking of competitive scene, we would definitely be thrilled to finally be able to warm up and pub and not only get on to scrim at night + a possibility of starting to, or buying more zp.
5. More leagues and smaller tournaments for us to play due to the fact that it would be so easy to organize them. Once again, benefiting all the players.
6. Healthier community; whether it's the competitive or not, people would definitely act different. I can sense the frustration in pubs whether it's a random br, a random american player, or a competitive player. EVERYONE is ****ed. Healthier community = Profit$$$$$$$$$$
7. A lot more recognition for skilled players, which would only strengthen the already healthy community and make more players want to become competitive.
Clearly a competetive forum topic so don't you dare delete it.
#discuss
on the other hand, this is the reason why the community isn't getting bigger, if you're a new player coming on to this game, you're not just going to know where the competition is. People are going to start playing in Alpha right, they're going to see all the cheaters in a pub TD or some other gametype and not going to want to play this game much longer or even give the time to get into CF because of the cheaters. Finding a way to fix it would help the community grow as Pimp already stated
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I like the making up of statistics since you clearly have no data to base your percentages off of other than simple, basic, observation.If it's so difficult, how come it's nearly impossible to cheat on a decent AC? Pretty sure it would stop 99,9% of public hacks.
There's a difference between how everything works. The ACs used in most games by separate leagues usually give feedback to the creators on when an injection happens, or when files that been been specifically chosen to be searched for are found. The monitoring of these ACs are much easier as there are far less people to look after. As for ACs for games, while they do similar things, they can only be updated and attempt to prevent cheats every so often, and while most cheats are known and are able to be accessed by the creators, not every cheat will be found, some take time to find and then takes time to create a solution of prevention.
It's not as simple as take a random league's anti-cheat and use it. They already get information on a much larger player base about people who are injecting and using illegal files. The solution is to block these cheats from being able to happen on a day to day basis, for a game on an engine as old as CrossFire's, it's really not that difficult. Not to mention the game's auto-ban system, as well as the fact the support group has to go and look through every replay sent in.
There's very few games with little to no cheaters, less F2P FPS games at that. X-Trap and Gameguard are two of the main anti-hack prevention software used by F2P games.
There's also a difference in morale between the players in the different versions, it's not always they can't hack, but they don't want to. Alot of people in other versions take the game much more serious than ours. -
How the **** are we supposed to compete with Chinese teams? They get to bootcamp, while American teams can't even get a decent warm up due to the fact that the game is flooded with cheaters. I feel bad for socks and kanata. Don't get me wrong, there were times where it would be hard to find a cheater but now? Damn. Just damn.
I tend to do a lot of TD and I literally haven't had at least one cheater in a game in 2 weeks. What the **** is that? Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it? Are you scared of potential ZP buyers getting banned or what the **** is your problem?
Edit:
At first I thought z8 wouldn't want to do it due to the fact that too many zp buyers would get banned but when you think about it, in a long run, z8 would end up benefiting. Not for the first few weeks or so but oh well. Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to move forward.
1. 90% of cheaters are not ZP buyers. People that buy ZP would buy even more because they would be able to play in peace again.
2. ZP buyers that quit the game could possibly come back to the game.
3. Competitive players from other games would definitely hear about it which could mean making the competitive scene larger.
4. Speaking of competitive scene, we would definitely be thrilled to finally be able to warm up and pub and not only get on to scrim at night + a possibility of starting to, or buying more zp.
5. More leagues and smaller tournaments for us to play due to the fact that it would be so easy to organize them. Once again, benefiting all the players.
6. Healthier community; whether it's the competitive or not, people would definitely act different. I can sense the frustration in pubs whether it's a random br, a random american player, or a competitive player. EVERYONE is ****ed. Healthier community = Profit$$$$$$$$$$
7. A lot more recognition for skilled players, which would only strengthen the already healthy community and make more players want to become competitive.
Clearly a competetive forum topic so don't you dare delete it.
#discuss
myAntiCheat could scale to that size to support a competitive scene, but at this point it is unlikely to happen. I'm flattered you guys think highly of the product we have put out, and hopefully in the future we can continue to make it easier for people to play and use myAntiCheat to secure more than league matches. -
myAntiCheat could scale to that size to support a competitive scene, but at this point it is unlikely to happen. I'm flattered you guys think highly of the product we have put out, and hopefully in the future we can continue to make it easier for people to play and use myAntiCheat to secure more than league matches.
Why do you believe it's unlikely to happen.
As for the post above, I' not going to bother. There's a reason why I posted this in the competitive section, get out. -
Why do you believe it's unlikely to happen.
As for the post above, I' not going to bother. There's a reason why I posted this in the competitive section, get out.
It's unlikely to happen because Wiselogic is in a contract with Z8 to use x-Trap. Another reason is adding new AC to CF will be a lot of work with intergrating.
But something is already in the works.
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stop it pimp. If you want Crossfire to grow. We need more cheaters wohoooeeeeeeeeeeeeHow are we supposed to compete with Chinese teams? They get to bootcamp, while American teams can't even get a decent warm up due to the fact that the game is flooded with cheaters. I feel bad for socks and kanata. Don't get me wrong, there were times where it would be hard to find a cheater but now? Damn. Just damn.
I tend to do a lot of TD and I literally haven't had at least one cheater in a game in 2 weeks. What is that? Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it? Are you scared of potential ZP buyers getting banned or what is your problem?
Edit:
At first I thought z8 wouldn't want to do it due to the fact that too many zp buyers would get banned but when you think about it, in a long run, z8 would end up benefiting. Not for the first few weeks or so but oh well. Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to move forward.
1. 90% of cheaters are not ZP buyers. People that buy ZP would buy even more because they would be able to play in peace again.
2. ZP buyers that quit the game could possibly come back to the game.
3. Competitive players from other games would definitely hear about it which could mean making the competitive scene larger.
4. Speaking of competitive scene, we would definitely be thrilled to finally be able to warm up and pub and not only get on to scrim at night + a possibility of starting to, or buying more zp.
5. More leagues and smaller tournaments for us to play due to the fact that it would be so easy to organize them. Once again, benefiting all the players.
6. Healthier community; whether it's the competitive or not, people would definitely act different. I can sense the frustration in pubs whether it's a random br, a random american player, or a competitive player. EVERYONE is upset. Healthier community = Profit$$$$$$$$$$
7. A lot more recognition for skilled players, which would only strengthen the already healthy community and make more players want to become competitive.
Clearly a competetive forum topic so don't you dare delete it.
#discuss
[GM]Saidin
Profanity removed. Infraction given. It doesn't matter whether this is a competitive topic, or who you are, it does not give you free reign to break the rules. -
I tend to do a lot of TD and I literally haven't had at least one cheater in a game in 2 weeks. What is that? Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it? Are you scared of potential ZP buyers getting banned or what is your problem?
You haven't seen a cheater in a game in 2 weeks or you have?
Z8Games can't really make a contract with anyone, since it's not actually a company. It's a name of a website.
G4Box who is a division of and owned by Smilegate Interactive currently licenses a product from Smilegate to host servers in our licensed regions.
Smilegate is under contract with Wiselogic to integrate the X-Trap anti cheat system into the game.
At this moment in time there are no plans to integrate any other anti cheat systems within CrossFire. We here believe that both the ESG and OCG Anti Cheats are great, and perfect for maintaining competition amongst our e-sport and competitive community. In addition, we fully support and are deeply greatful for their use and applaud the efforts of the codes who make the programs, without them surely this discussion and much of the competitive community would have moved on. But at this time there are no plans to scale those up game wide as they might be in conflict with licenses and contracts issued by the ownership and development group.
We are constantly exploring options to improve the game, MyAntiCheat and the OCG Client have been a part of that discussion, but at this time a solution to the hacking situation does not involve game-wide forced use of their anti cheat.
Now to reference some of your other points.
"Bootcamps" are only as big as the community itself. And we're looking to really foster a growing competitive community especially in 2014 with all the things we've hinted at so far. New sites, cash prizes, possible LANs, but more so a boat load of tournaments and ways to compete and be involved.
Competitive players will hear about CrossFire because of the level of competition, the prizes offered and exposure on related websites. This is completely independent of the use of any anti cheat. Increasing the level of competition will bring more competitive players to the game, which is what our goal is.
A lot of your points are not made to justify the use of an anti cheat. They are great points about what we can do to foster a better competitive community. It's unfortunate that you can't see it from my perspective, mostly because I can't tell you all the great things we're going to be doing for 2014. All I can say is that you'll want to be involved, and that it will be worth your time to stay involved and stay competitive in CrossFire.
To address your post about coming in here and saying something that doesn't answer anything.. Why do you ask questions of which you know the answers? -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »You haven't seen a cheater in a game in 2 weeks or you have?
Z8Games can't really make a contract with anyone, since it's not actually a company. It's a name of a website.
G4Box who is a division of and owned by Smilegate Interactive currently licenses a product from Smilegate to host servers in our licensed regions.
Smilegate is under contract with Wiselogic to integrate the X-Trap anti cheat system into the game.
At this moment in time there are no plans to integrate any other anti cheat systems within CrossFire. We here believe that both the ESG and OCG Anti Cheats are great, and perfect for maintaining competition amongst our e-sport and competitive community. In addition, we fully support and are deeply greatful for their use and applaud the efforts of the codes who make the programs, without them surely this discussion and much of the competitive community would have moved on. But at this time there are no plans to scale those up game wide as they might be in conflict with licenses and contracts issued by the ownership and development group.
We are constantly exploring options to improve the game, MyAntiCheat and the OCG Client have been a part of that discussion, but at this time a solution to the hacking situation does not involve game-wide forced use of their anti cheat.
Now to reference some of your other points.
"Bootcamps" are only as big as the community itself. And we're looking to really foster a growing competitive community especially in 2014 with all the things we've hinted at so far. New sites, cash prizes, possible LANs, but more so a boat load of tournaments and ways to compete and be involved.
Competitive players will hear about CrossFire because of the level of competition, the prizes offered and exposure on related websites. This is completely independent of the use of any anti cheat. Increasing the level of competition will bring more competitive players to the game, which is what our goal is.
A lot of your points are not made to justify the use of an anti cheat. They are great points about what we can do to foster a better competitive community. It's unfortunate that you can't see it from my perspective, mostly because I can't tell you all the great things we're going to be doing for 2014. All I can say is that you'll want to be involved, and that it will be worth your time to stay involved and stay competitive in CrossFire.
To address your post about coming in here and saying something that doesn't answer anything.. Why do you ask questions of which you know the answers?
great things blah blah blah 2014 blah blah
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There WERE times where it was nearly impossible to find a cheater. Now IT IS impossible to find a game without at least one. This just proves that with enough work it is possible to get rid of 99% cheaters without implementing a 3rd party AC. -
Cheaters were here in beta this game will always have cheaters just like any f2p game. So you either deal with it or leave. Will this game ever be 99% cheater free no it never has been nor will it be. Cheaters come as the game gets more popular, more cheat sites will pick up the game as people see it as a high demand to make cheats for this f2p game as some people make money off of it. Saidin cannot just force a situation as just like most people hes not his own boss he doesn't own the rights to cf he is just a manager who gives ideas to the higher ups and feedback.
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It actually is a major problem among the game growing. I was watching a stream on twitch.tv a guy named summit1g who consistently gets 2000 viewers every night to watch him play CS:GO. One night he was bored of CS and looking for a similar but different game to play. He looked up ghost recon, black out retribution, soldier front 2, etc. Then I decided to say in chat, "try out crossfire" so the first thing he does in youtube is search "Crossfire Montage" he actually came to a montage made by famous. He liked the gameplay and was actually going to try the game out. As he is navigating the z8games page to download crossfire somebody on his teamspeak speaks up and says "Why would you wanna play crossfire? It's full of nothing but cheaters."
Download cancelled.
At that moment 2000 people that could have had their eyes opened to crossfire were instantly closed and doubt any one of them will ever take a peek at the game due to its reputation. -
Pimp, theoretically you wouldn't even need MyAC. Obviously it would make it more effective, but if you just had a server that you needed a ZP "VIP-Pass" to access it would somewhat accomplish the same thing, as long as people were reporting the cheaters who got in. This seems a LOT more viable than getting MyAC integrated into the game.
The biggest issue I have with your post is the idea that you need to warm up in a pub before you scrim. I don't understand this concept. Why don't you just "warm up" in a scrim? -
[MOD]Denxi wrote: »Pimp, theoretically you wouldn't even need MyAC. Obviously it would make it more effective, but if you just had a server that you needed a ZP "VIP-Pass" to access it would somewhat accomplish the same thing, as long as people were reporting the cheaters who got in. This seems a LOT more viable than getting MyAC integrated into the game.
The biggest issue I have with your post is the idea that you need to warm up in a pub before you scrim. I don't understand this concept. Why don't you just "warm up" in a scrim?
What if I told you I actually enjoy pubbing this game? -
What if I told you I actually enjoy pubbing this game?
Then that'd be a different issue all together.
Your post is in the competitive section becauseThey get to bootcamp, while American teams can't even get a decent warm up due to the fact that the game is flooded with cheaters.
If your issue is that you like to play pubs, and your pub experience is being ruined because of cheaters, that's different than saying cheaters in pubs are prevent competitive players from practicing because of X reasons. -
[MOD]Denxi wrote: »Then that'd be a different issue all together.
Your post is in the competitive section because
If your issue is that you like to play pubs, and your pub experience is being ruined because of cheaters, that's different than saying cheaters in pubs are prevent competitive players from practicing because of X reasons.It actually is a major problem among the game growing. I was watching a stream on twitch.tv a guy named summit1g who consistently gets 2000 viewers every night to watch him play CS:GO. One night he was bored of CS and looking for a similar but different game to play. He looked up ghost recon, black out retribution, soldier front 2, etc. Then I decided to say in chat, "try out crossfire" so the first thing he does in youtube is search "Crossfire Montage" he actually came to a montage made by famous. He liked the gameplay and was actually going to try the game out. As he is navigating the z8games page to download crossfire somebody on his teamspeak speaks up and says "Why would you wanna play crossfire? It's full of nothing but cheaters."
Download cancelled.
At that moment 2000 people that could have had their eyes opened to crossfire were instantly closed and doubt any one of them will ever take a peek at the game due to its reputation.
Do you understand it now? -
Do you understand it now?
Yes, what Aero brings up IS an issue. But it's not one that your original post addresses. Having a "clean server" wouldn't reduce the amount of cheaters in the other parts of the game.
Do I think it's important to discuss potential ways to help create a clean environment? Yes. I just wanted to make sure you recognized that your initial complaint that you "couldn't warm up" wasn't really a valid one, and that there are a lot more viable reasons for wanting to clean CF up. -
I didn't say anything about a separate server with no cheats.[MOD]Denxi wrote: »Yes, what Aero brings up IS an issue. But it's not one that your original post addresses. Having a "clean server" wouldn't reduce the amount of cheaters in the other parts of the game.[MOD]Denxi wrote: »Do I think it's important to discuss potential ways to help create a clean environment? Yes. I just wanted to make sure you recognized that your initial complaint that you "couldn't warm up" wasn't really a valid one, and that there are a lot more viable reasons for wanting to clean CF up.
You must (sadly) not play the game much. The more and more cheaters there are every day, the less scrims there is. Yesterday and Monday there was literally NO scrims going on till like 7-8 pm est. -
I didn't say anything about a separate server with no cheats.Why can't you make an agreement with myanticheat and have a server that requires you to run it?
Uhm. . .You must (sadly) not play the game much. The more and more cheaters there are every day, the less scrims there is. Yesterday and Monday there was literally NO scrims going on till like 7-8 pm est.
I remember back in open beta. When you had a speed hacker every pub, and ghosts ran around with guns. You know what I also remember? I also remember the competitive community steadily growing.
I'm not sure how you're responding to my post that you quoted, since I didn't really argue that cheaters weren't an issue. I said it was important to create a clean environment, just that the reason you provided in your original post wasn't very valid, and that there were much better reasons (like, for example, the one Aero mentioned) that should be used as a basis for discussion instead.
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