Maybe removing the vote kick is a good idea, more power for HOST
FIRST OF ALL, please at least read till the separation line with "====" before you think about it. That is a whole idea. Don't start the topic with only the title.
Then you can find a way to abuse it to kick legit players, or to make it failed to kick hackers.
Suggestion:
removing the votekick option, instead, give more power to host. Host is total responsible for the room, and are under z8 support's supervision.
1. each player has a score for their host efficiency.
2. if a player with higher score than host enters a room, if he agrees, he will be the new host after the current on-going kick is cleared -- the rule is only applicable for open rooms. Locked rooms need not to change host, or change host only from host's friend list, or some other reasonable rule.
3. allow host to kick a player DURING game,
4. the old host's kick list will be adopted during current game. when a new game starts, the old host's list is obsoleted, but any player inside the old list will cause a warning to host and their tag will be with in differnet color in player list.
6. host must send hack report for the kick (except that other players have reported the same hacker in the same game). Replay auto saved/flushed after each kick, with the kicked players IGN saved into it.
7. based on the review, if host did correct thing, he gains 1 point, and he should lose 1 point for wrong kick.
8. it is idea to submit replay automatically, however, if there is difficulty to be implemented, z8 can log the event and request the host to submit report in 3 days, failed to do so is considered an abusement; if it is still hard to auto log the kick event, z8 can allow players to send complain reports, once it proves host abuse the kick, the host lose 2 points.
9. room list always shows the host' score as a colored bar.
10. z8 can adjust it penalty to composenste the difficulty to know teammate cheating.
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Now let's see the result:
a. a host can abuse it, but very shortly, once a better scored player comes, his power is transferred.
b. a player who keeps abusing the power can rarely have the power.
c. at the beginning, z8 might have lots of to be reviewed, but after several days/weeks, wrong kick will be reduced greatly.
d. a good host can effeciently block hackers from entering a room, so most players can enjoy the game inside those rooms. Even a less experienced host (but still the best inside the room in kicking hackers), can remove hackers if they want.
e. z8 has two way to make the review more efficient, check the most kicked players and the reports from highest score reporter.
Q&A:
Q.What if a bad guy gain a good score through kicking his alt cheater accounts.
A:
1. unlikely it will happen.
2. even happens, it is more complex for them to do. He must make account and then report to close it to gain a single score, in the risk z8 hardware/ip ban all of them.
3. even his main account survives, if he abuses the kick, he will lose his power to be host soon.
4. you can improve your score by doing correct thing.
Q. I will kicked from every single room.
Ans:
1. if the host wrongly kick, they will be less likely to be the host when you enter the room.
2. if you have already being kicked, you still have chance to enter the room after the round if the host changes.
3. And you have more possibility to be the new host, if not, that says you might kick others for no reason yourself, for general public, you can not be a better host than the current one.
4. You still have the option to create your own room.
Q. What if I don't like to report it?
Ans:
1. then don't kick, you bear anyone entering your room, and wish them are not better host than you.
2. you lock your room.
3. you wish other players in the room has reported it, but remember, if they don't, you lose scores; if they do, they will gain 1 point instead of you.
If you have read this wall of text, please point out the possible holes.
Then you can find a way to abuse it to kick legit players, or to make it failed to kick hackers.
Suggestion:
removing the votekick option, instead, give more power to host. Host is total responsible for the room, and are under z8 support's supervision.
1. each player has a score for their host efficiency.
2. if a player with higher score than host enters a room, if he agrees, he will be the new host after the current on-going kick is cleared -- the rule is only applicable for open rooms. Locked rooms need not to change host, or change host only from host's friend list, or some other reasonable rule.
3. allow host to kick a player DURING game,
4. the old host's kick list will be adopted during current game. when a new game starts, the old host's list is obsoleted, but any player inside the old list will cause a warning to host and their tag will be with in differnet color in player list.
6. host must send hack report for the kick (except that other players have reported the same hacker in the same game). Replay auto saved/flushed after each kick, with the kicked players IGN saved into it.
7. based on the review, if host did correct thing, he gains 1 point, and he should lose 1 point for wrong kick.
8. it is idea to submit replay automatically, however, if there is difficulty to be implemented, z8 can log the event and request the host to submit report in 3 days, failed to do so is considered an abusement; if it is still hard to auto log the kick event, z8 can allow players to send complain reports, once it proves host abuse the kick, the host lose 2 points.
9. room list always shows the host' score as a colored bar.
10. z8 can adjust it penalty to composenste the difficulty to know teammate cheating.
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Now let's see the result:
a. a host can abuse it, but very shortly, once a better scored player comes, his power is transferred.
b. a player who keeps abusing the power can rarely have the power.
c. at the beginning, z8 might have lots of to be reviewed, but after several days/weeks, wrong kick will be reduced greatly.
d. a good host can effeciently block hackers from entering a room, so most players can enjoy the game inside those rooms. Even a less experienced host (but still the best inside the room in kicking hackers), can remove hackers if they want.
e. z8 has two way to make the review more efficient, check the most kicked players and the reports from highest score reporter.
Q&A:
Q.What if a bad guy gain a good score through kicking his alt cheater accounts.
A:
1. unlikely it will happen.
2. even happens, it is more complex for them to do. He must make account and then report to close it to gain a single score, in the risk z8 hardware/ip ban all of them.
3. even his main account survives, if he abuses the kick, he will lose his power to be host soon.
4. you can improve your score by doing correct thing.
Q. I will kicked from every single room.
Ans:
1. if the host wrongly kick, they will be less likely to be the host when you enter the room.
2. if you have already being kicked, you still have chance to enter the room after the round if the host changes.
3. And you have more possibility to be the new host, if not, that says you might kick others for no reason yourself, for general public, you can not be a better host than the current one.
4. You still have the option to create your own room.
Q. What if I don't like to report it?
Ans:
1. then don't kick, you bear anyone entering your room, and wish them are not better host than you.
2. you lock your room.
3. you wish other players in the room has reported it, but remember, if they don't, you lose scores; if they do, they will gain 1 point instead of you.
If you have read this wall of text, please point out the possible holes.
Comments
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Juicebox22 wrote: »I'm sorry but this will never be considered. The kick-vote system is something that players must deal with. Even moderators and GMs cannot prevent themselves from being kicked from rooms in-game.
I personally think the vote kick a must, but as it is apparently malfunctional when we are trying to kick hackers, and apparently too easy to be abused for legit players, I come to the idea to give the power to host.
With 1 vote kick per player in the TDM, and the fact lots of player would not vote for lots of reasons, votekick can not remove hackers, and it is silly that we can only kick teammates --- imagine this, if we kicked the hacker in my side, while the other side would never try to do that, what would happen? I will end up with never kick the hacker.
Back to topic, vote kick is too weak for dealing with hackers, anyone who want to ruin it could say, f12, he is not hack. because each vote has same weght, 8 noobs + 1 hacker is enough to ruin the whole game.
As we can see, only wish is host to carry the kick, they can kick player anyway, why just wait till game ends? To allow hackers run away and be able to reenter the room? -
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BlackSmithSY wrote: »Suggestion:
removing the votekick option, instead, give more power to host. Host is total responsible for the room, and are under z8 support's supervision.
I just read this.
So, let's start.
Hackers can't host rooms?
People who just want to fck with people, dont they host rooms?
Less experienced people, who think a 1tap is hack, dont they make rooms?
The kick system cant be much better than it is already.
Maybe it could work out if it had an "average" room rank can only vote. -
BlackSmithSY wrote: »10. z8 can adjust it penalty to composenste the difficulty to know teammate cheating.
so you want z8 to make it harder for the team that got a hacker and dont kick him/her?
if z8 got a system like that wouldnt it just be better if the hacker got banned of the game?
also if the game right now cant fine who hacks who dont. then how would this rule 10 work? -
No just no, this would ruin the game even more for legit players.
Also the vote-kick system helps a lot, it helps reduce some percentage of hackers. Some hackers know they will just get kicked and won't gain anything from hacking so they choose not to use hacks at all. -
ECoAEgeenz wrote: »I just read this.
So, let's start.
Hackers can't host rooms?
People who just want to fck with people, dont they host rooms?
Less experienced people, who think a 1tap is hack, dont they make rooms?
The kick system cant be much better than it is already.
Maybe it could work out if it had an "average" room rank can only vote.
They can, but you can change to another room. Do you always want to join a room hosted by a hacker?
And read more, because it is unlikely when a hacker host a room, he would kick a player, because he need to report it (including his play). So it is unlikely a hacker would get more score. The result is, when other players with better score enters the room, they are the new host. Hacker has no kick power.
Even this new comer want to abuse the power, he would lose his score soon, because every kick need to be reported, he either report it to lose 1 point, or not report it to lose 2 points. Soon he will have poor score, and is unlikely can continue to be host.
Why not finish reading till rule 10 and then thinking about it? -
so you want z8 to make it harder for the team that got a hacker and dont kick him/her?
if z8 got a system like that wouldnt it just be better if the hacker got banned of the game?
also if the game right now cant fine who hacks who dont. then how would this rule 10 work?
Banning a hacker can only happen after 1~3 days as fast as possible after the report (in weekend, z8 support are off). Even it is just one day, you will experience game with hackers.
We need way to get them out of the room right away.
Rule 10 encourage host to kick. For example, if all the other team complain about a player hacking, while the host can not experience what the opponent experience, if he decide to trust other team, he can kick. He might be wrong, but z8 review and know it is forgivable or not.
On the other hand, opponent team can report a hacker in game, and z8 can know if the host kicked him or not, if it is apparently a hacker, but host would not kick him, host gain panelty, if it is not so apparent, host can be excused. -
No just no, this would ruin the game even more for legit players.
Also the vote-kick system helps a lot, it helps reduce some percentage of hackers. Some hackers know they will just get kicked and won't gain anything from hacking so they choose not to use hacks at all.
Think about it.
How many times you see vote kick failed because a team would not kick hackers.
If host is always the ones who are very careful to kick a player, how could it be more terrible for legit players?
Remember, the host is almost changed right away if a player with better score enters the room. The old host lose his power. And new host would be careful about kick because he need to report it. If not, he lose 2 points, if wrongly kicked, he lose one point, then after sometime, he is unlikely to be chosen as a host during game.
Remember, every new player to the room might replace the host if he is better in hosting. Therefore, the kick power is almost always in good hand. -
People could farm points.
Or, people who try to do a legitimate kick will get denied and they a negative point?
Nah, -1.
How to farm points? Check Q&A.
He need to have hacking accounts to join the game and then kick him from host side. That will increase the possibility to get him ip banned. And apparently, to farm the point is more complex than farming for kills. He need to switch to that account to hack, then host can have reason to kick him for the points.
People who try to do right kick is very unlikely to be denied, because z8 support is supposed to do the right thing. And the rule 10 says, even if z8 support can not find it suspective but not confident enough to ban, they can compensate the denial, something like just ingore it, host get no penalty.
But anyway, if another players apparently kick players more correctly than me, he should be a better host than me, and I can believe:
1. It is unlikely he will abuse it.
2. It is unlikley he will wrongly kick player more than me. -
GSD_Shawni wrote: »Good intentions, bad ideas.
Where comes the conclusion of bad idea? Discuss the reason why it is bad.
I was the supporter for the votekick, but here is some problem that exists for the votekick.
1. opponents know hacker first, but they can not votekick him.
2. the boosted daily mission make kick teammates hard to be success.
3. the fear of opponent team would not kick their hacker prevent both side to kick them. You can see kick ***x first.
4. the vote kick is really slow, hackers use it to block others to vote.
And I had some suggestion to improve it:
1. votekick only available for players with none negative score. Negative scored player can not start vote.
2. vote are weighed by the factor derived from the score.
3. vote can be made against opponent.
This is also based on the SCORE, which is a record of hacker fighting effort of the player. -
Don't blame the system for its abusers. The kick-vote does exactly what it is designed for. I kicks people from the game on a majority of votes. That players are incapable of showing the maturely and responsibly to use the kick-vote properly is not the fault of the system.
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Don't blame the system for its abusers. The kick-vote does exactly what it is designed for. I kicks people from the game on a majority of votes. That players are incapable of showing the maturely and responsibly to use the kick-vote properly is not the fault of the system.
Those who are not responsile make the system malfunction.
Improve it means we are trying to remove the chance it can be abused.
So two solutions: keep it but improve it (for example, weighed vote) or replace it with other improvement (e.g., host kick but always choose new host who is more legible). -
Sorry but this wouldn't work. Let me give you some fact. Removing the kick vote it would be death for this game. Let me give you example. Lets say they remove the vote kick and give only to host that he can kick the players. First of all lets say you join the room and sudenly some random 4 cheaters join the game. You save the replay and go to another room. While joining (you are in the spectating mode) you see 5 of them cheating. You save again the replay and continue searching for another room.
So whenever you join the pubbing room. You would see the cheaters all over the game and it would be unplayable.
So it would be quite large hackfest for the hackers to play without problem and worries to be kicked. So best of all, people would cry on forums that they return back kick system. Including you.
I'm deeply sorry but that is the truth. Kick voting should stay. Because it would be hell on crossfire when kick voting would be removed. -
1. First of all lets say you join the room and sudenly some random 4 cheaters join the game. You save the replay and go to another room.
2. While joining (you are in the spectating mode) you see 5 of them cheating. You save again the replay and continue searching for another room.
So whenever you join the pubbing room. You would see the cheaters all over the game and it would be unplayable.
Let's go through it with my idea and then we go through the current votekick.
1. With host power
If you have better score in hosting history than host, you are the new host.
Now you can kick hackers, of course the apparent ones, for those one you are unsure, be careful.
You have to report for each hacker kick, if not, and no others would report to cause the hacker banned, you lose 2 points in your host history score.
If you reported the hackers correctly, you have chance to gain 1 point for hosting history.
if you don't have better score than host, then I would think host is better in kicking hackers.
if he didn't, you can report the hacker. If you are correct, you gain 1 point, and next time you enter the room, you might be the new host.
When hosts are those who are poven to be correct to kick hacker and let the legit player to play, the room they hosted are the place where we can enjoy the game. Remember the host is always rechosen when a new player joins a room.
And before you enter a room, you can see how good is the host.
2. Current votekick
When you see 4 hackers, you can only leave. Because it means all the players who want to kick hacker might already failed, you can try another time, but it is normally same. Every has limited vote, and those who want the help from hacker to win a game, they would neither f11 or start a vote kick. -
In certain matches, the host will be unaware or unable to see the proof of a fellow team mate hacking, simply because the hacker isn't being obvious about it, and the host can't watch through the hacker's eyes like with EM or SnD.
So there's the first flaw in your suggestion. Which will result in people on the opposite team from the host being kicked a lot more often, than players on the host's team.
If 1 player gets the power to be the only one to kick, then this will lead to every noob making their own room, just to be the host of it. Kick vote abuse will not decrease, but increase instead. Because it is the same people that abuse the current system that will be hosting under your system.
So there's your second flaw in your suggestion. Players will lose by default if they are on the opposite steam from the host.
Furthermore, sinse every noob wants to be hosting their own game, new rooms will be made constantly, quickly and continuously exceeding the limited number of rooms that can be made.
There are only 2 ways of improving the current kick-vote system.
1. Players will no longer lose everything when they are kicked. This way legit players aren't robbed of their hard earnings, just for being good. Hackers get permanently banned anyway, so there is no point in caring about how good their score is.
2. Forum Moderators get limited in-game powers similar to GM accounts.They are already trusted with keeping the forum clean of CF's behalf, so why not the game as well. And because nearly every player either has a MOD on their buddy list or has a buddy with a MOD on their buddy list, it's simply a matter of calling a MOD over to investigate that room, and kick and report the hacker. -
In certain matches, the host will be unaware or unable to see the proof of a fellow team mate hacking, simply because the hacker isn't being obvious about it, and the host can't watch through the hacker's eyes like with EM or SnD.
So there's the first flaw in your suggestion. Which will result in people on the opposite team from the host being kicked a lot more often, than players on the host's team.
If 1 player gets the power to be the only one to kick, then this will lead to every noob making their own room, just to be the host of it. Kick vote abuse will not decrease, but increase instead. Because it is the same people that abuse the current system that will be hosting under your system.
So there's your second flaw in your suggestion. Players will lose by default if they are on the opposite steam from the host.
Furthermore, sinse every noob wants to be hosting their own game, new rooms will be made constantly, quickly and continuously exceeding the limited number of rooms that can be made.
There are only 2 ways of improving the current kick-vote system.
1. Players will no longer lose everything when they are kicked. This way legit players aren't robbed of their hard earnings, just for being good. Hackers get permanently banned anyway, so there is no point in caring about how good their score is.
2. Forum Moderators get limited in-game powers similar to GM accounts.They are already trusted with keeping the forum clean of CF's behalf, so why not the game as well. And because nearly every player either has a MOD on their buddy list or has a buddy with a MOD on their buddy list, it's simply a matter of calling a MOD over to investigate that room, and kick and report the hacker.
Remember the host could be changed when any player joins the room. The new host is at least with better hosting score than current one.
With this point, all the flaws does not exist any more.
The first flaw you mentioned exists in current system already. And when the host would be forced to notice what the opponents complain and keep an eye on what is happening. That increase the possibility to be kicked. IF he would not do so, he can not gain points on hosting score, and someone else will replace him to be the new host.
But the flaw in current system is huge, you know how hard to persuade other side to start a vote if they don't want to remove the hackers. Even someone start it, you still need lots of player to press f11. Remember 10 f11 needed to kick someone in a 16 player room, and every one just have on chance to start a vote in TDM.
The second flaw, Noobs can make a room for themselves, but once new player joined room, the host power might be transferred. If your hosting score is not better than those noobs, then I can not find reason that you can be better than them.
Someone with high scores might want to start to abuse it, then avoid those room (they are not common), and after several days, their score goes down and they are unlikely to be host any more.
So I would ask if you really read my post till the separating line to understand it? Because all the flaws you mentioned are not a problem at all.
Your solution:
1. I don't care if I can have what I earn, I am seeking for the fun from a fair game, I don't care the experience that much. I think a gun you are good with is better than the good gun you are not familiar.
2. Even if z8 allow some nonemployee to have the power as GM, the MOD is still very limited, they can not be in every room every minutes.
Moreover, votekick failed from many reason, Daily mission for example, players has to win ceratain maps to gain xp or gp or dogtag or something (I don't know it because I never care about daily mission, but apparently the majority does). So there is enough reason for not kicking a hacker in his side, they need to do nothing, no oponents can kick his teammates. So what the other side would do, they suffers from hackers, and when they have a hacker in their team, why would them kick him now?
Choose the best host and give them power, they will keep it clean. And the outstanding hosts would get respect and recoganized soon, even z8 would not give ribbon to them. For me, I know someone I trust will host a room, I would always go to that room first.
KEEP IN MIND, HOST IS ALWAYS CHOSEN FROM THE PLAYERS WITH BEST HOSTING SKILL (SCORES) IN THE ROOM. IF YOU ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE, YOU CAN BE THE HOST WHEN YOU ENTER THE ROOM. IF NOT, YOU CAN EITHER IMPROVE YOURSELF ON HOSTING SCORE, OR FIND ANOTHER ROOM.
Noobs hosting a room and abuse the power? It will be ended once anyone who would not correctly use it enters the room. -
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Exiledking63 wrote: »this is true
vote kick is something to seek democracy? the I would rather to use it to selelct the host, and give host more power to do correct things.
Remember, when a president is selected and give no power, he can do nothing.
On the other hand, if everyone has their own profit, it is still hard to ask them to the correct thing together.
Vote kick is like a system with abused democracy, good guy and bad guy have the same power, so the result is totally depends on how many would each voter benefit from the vote.
IF THE HOST IS ALWAYS BEST IN HOSTING INSIDE A ROOM, why not let them to do things. If you don;t like the host, change a room. And a host keeps abusing the powwer is unlikely to be host any more, because it is very likely others will replace him during game -
BlackSmithSY wrote: »Remember the host could be changed when any player joins the room. The new host is at least with better hosting score than current one.
With this point, all the flaws does not exist any more.
The first flaw you mentioned exists in current system already. And when the host would be forced to notice what the opponents complain and keep an eye on what is happening. That increase the possibility to be kicked. IF he would not do so, he can not gain points on hosting score, and someone else will replace him to be the new host.
But the flaw in current system is huge, you know how hard to persuade other side to start a vote if they don't want to remove the hackers. Even someone start it, you still need lots of player to press f11. Remember 10 f11 needed to kick someone in a 16 player room, and every one just have on chance to start a vote in TDM.
The second flaw, Noobs can make a room for themselves, but once new player joined room, the host power might be transferred. If your hosting score is not better than those noobs, then I can not find reason that you can be better than them.
Someone with high scores might want to start to abuse it, then avoid those room (they are not common), and after several days, their score goes down and they are unlikely to be host any more.
So I would ask if you really read my post till the separating line to understand it? Because all the flaws you mentioned are not a problem at all.
Your solution:
1. I don't care if I can have what I earn, I am seeking for the fun from a fair game, I don't care the experience that much. I think a gun you are good with is better than the good gun you are not familiar.
2. Even if z8 allow some nonemployee to have the power as GM, the MOD is still very limited, they can not be in every room every minutes.
Moreover, votekick failed from many reason, Daily mission for example, players has to win ceratain maps to gain xp or gp or dogtag or something (I don't know it because I never care about daily mission, but apparently the majority does). So there is enough reason for not kicking a hacker in his side, they need to do nothing, no oponents can kick his teammates. So what the other side would do, they suffers from hackers, and when they have a hacker in their team, why would them kick him now?
Choose the best host and give them power, they will keep it clean. And the outstanding hosts would get respect and recoganized soon, even z8 would not give ribbon to them. For me, I know someone I trust will host a room, I would always go to that room first.
KEEP IN MIND, HOST IS ALWAYS CHOSEN FROM THE PLAYERS WITH BEST HOSTING SKILL (SCORES) IN THE ROOM. IF YOU ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE, YOU CAN BE THE HOST WHEN YOU ENTER THE ROOM. IF NOT, YOU CAN EITHER IMPROVE YOURSELF ON HOSTING SCORE, OR FIND ANOTHER ROOM.
Noobs hosting a room and abuse the power? It will be ended once anyone who would not correctly use it enters the room.And that's where the biggest flaw of all lies in your suggestion. There is absolutely no FFing way to score a player's hosting abilities, other than have players give the host a rating at the end of the game manually. And no one but the trolls that want to mess up someone's hosting score is going to bother with that.
So there! POOF! Your whole suggestion fell apart. -
so your point is that the host could kick anyone in the game?BlackSmithSY wrote: »Banning a hacker can only happen after 1~3 days as fast as possible after the report (in weekend, z8 support are off). Even it is just one day, you will experience game with hackers.
We need way to get them out of the room right away.
Rule 10 encourage host to kick. For example, if all the other team complain about a player hacking, while the host can not experience what the opponent experience, if he decide to trust other team, he can kick. He might be wrong, but z8 review and know it is forgivable or not.
On the other hand, opponent team can report a hacker in game, and z8 can know if the host kicked him or not, if it is apparently a hacker, but host would not kick him, host gain panelty, if it is not so apparent, host can be excused.
there isnt anything wrong with it.
the kick vote system is made to kick out hackers but if people do votes on non hackers then its not the kick vote system. no matter what would be changed of the system there would allways be abuse of it. -
so your point is that the host could kick anyone in the game?
there isnt anything wrong with it.
the kick vote system is made to kick out hackers but if people do votes on non hackers then its not the kick vote system. no matter what would be changed of the system there would allways be abuse of it.
Suppose you keep abusing it, suppose you kick legit players, would you submit hacker reports?
If not, you lose 2 points, if yes, after review you lose 1 points.
Next time when you want to abuse it, you can only wish no other player with better score will enter the room. Because once they come, they are the new host.
Even if someone with very high score start to abuse it, then just choose other rooms. It is impossible that every high score players want to ruin their score. So there are still other rooms you can play. -
And that's where the biggest flaw of all lies in your suggestion. There is absolutely no FFing way to score a player's hosting abilities, other than have players give the host a rating at the end of the game manually. And no one but the trolls that want to mess up someone's hosting score is going to bother with that.
So there! POOF! Your whole suggestion fell apart.
Wat the, did you read the whole post, or at least till =============================
If you read it and still ask the question, I think I need not answer.
The way to score it up is from the review of support team, so z8 in fact judge who is better, but through an objective way.
Any host kick about hacker must be reported, either by host or by other players in game.
This is reasonable, right? you think you kicked a hacker, report him!
You can bet other player would report it, but if they don't and z8 has not seen the report in the given time (database query), you lose two points, because the kick can be considered as abusement.
If u reported but it turned out that you are wrong, then you lost 1 points, as a proof that you had made a wrong decision.
If you did a correct kick, you would gain one point.
And if others report it and it get confirmed, the reporter gain 1 point, you gain nothing.
When host knows he must report it, and lose point when not correctly done, they would become careful about kick, and if they don't, they will end with never have that power again. -
BlackSmithSY wrote: »Wat the, did you read the whole post, or at least till =============================
If you read it and still ask the question, I think I need not answer.
The way to score it up is from the review of support team, so z8 in fact judge who is better, but through an objective way.
Any host kick about hacker must be reported, either by host or by other players in game.
This is reasonable, right? you think you kicked a hacker, report him!
You can bet other player would report it, but if they don't and z8 has not seen the report in the given time (database query), you lose two points, because the kick can be considered as abusement.
If u reported but it turned out that you are wrong, then you lost 1 points, as a proof that you had made a wrong decision.
If you did a correct kick, you would gain one point.
And if others report it and it get confirmed, the reporter gain 1 point, you gain nothing.
When host knows he must report it, and lose point when not correctly done, they would become careful about kick, and if they don't, they will end with never have that power again.Dude! You seriously think GMs have time to review over a 100,000 players on their abilities to be good hosts? They don't even have the man-power to go through all the hack reports that come in every day.
Get your head out of the clouds and face the facts. Your suggestion can NOT be done, PERIOD! -
Dude! You seriously think GMs have time to revive over a 100,000 players on their abilities to be good hosts? They don't even have the man-power to go through all the hack reports that come in every day.
Get your head out of the clouds and face the facts. Your suggestion can NOT be done, PERIOD!
Finally you read it, and have somewhat logic thinking now.
The problem is simple to answer -- do the support team already kick all the hackers?
The reports are in the database, support team still continue to work as they were. They just need a script to sync the review result to the account database.
For example, your report about me is submitted, as well as other players might report it at the same time. The support team first retrieve the all the report for same game and same "hacker" (suppose it is me), if they start to work on it. Then they choose the best scored reporter's report (because they probably did it more correctly). If can not confirm, then choose the longest reports, if the hacking is confirmed, then every reporter get 1 points (script will do that, the support just need to give the final result). If can not confirm, host lose 1 point, (if other reporter should get same panelty is z8's choice, they can punish them because they cause extra work for them -- when there are too many false report, or they can ingore them).
support can also only check the host's reports and change host's scores.
When the support team have no time to work on it, every one has no change on the score.
All of this need not to be done at one day. The score builds up, then the hosts are always with the best score, and it keeps going, and the false kick will be reduced gradually, till some day all the room hosts are with good scores. That means they will be very careful about kicking, and do it carefully. Even the x-trap failed to update in time, we still have clean rooms.
The good thing, if anyone want always to be a good host, he can always be a host, or replaced by someone better.
Only problem I can see is that the difficulty for host to know his teammate hacking, that might need further improvement (maybe second host on the opponent team), but a good host should notice what is going on, especiallly when opponents players with better score start to bring the hacker up.
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