Kick Vote Abusing Suggestions
Hello,
Today i came here to give a Suggestions
My Suggestions is about Kick Vote Abusing.
So lets go...
My Idea is: When we save the replay we can see evrything we did while we playing.
And my idea is add a button on the replay saying : Kick Votes and with button them we can see who is kicking who.
And then my other Idea is add a Report Called: Report Kick Vote Abusing.
Is just my idea, now i want to you guys agree with me.
Any Question Leave it to the comments and i'll answer.
Today i came here to give a Suggestions
My Suggestions is about Kick Vote Abusing.
So lets go...
My Idea is: When we save the replay we can see evrything we did while we playing.
And my idea is add a button on the replay saying : Kick Votes and with button them we can see who is kicking who.
And then my other Idea is add a Report Called: Report Kick Vote Abusing.
Is just my idea, now i want to you guys agree with me.
Any Question Leave it to the comments and i'll answer.
Comments
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Hello,
Today i came here to give a Suggestions
My Suggestions is about Kick Vote Abusing.
So lets go...
My Idea is: When we save the replay we can see evrything we did while we playing.
And my idea is add a button on the replay saying : Kick Votes and with button them we can see who is kicking who.
And then my other Idea is add a Report Called: Report Kick Vote Abusing.
Is just my idea, now i want to you guys agree with me.
Any Question Leave it to the comments and i'll answer.
Depends.
In the Replay, you can' see the chat. And, as well you have a good idea, it won't work because there is 4 options you can kick for, and not only Hack(there is insulting, that can't be seen in the replay and can't be proved). -
Hello,
Today i came here to give a Suggestions
My Suggestions is about Kick Vote Abusing.
So lets go...
My Idea is: When we save the replay we can see evrything we did while we playing.
And my idea is add a button on the replay saying : Kick Votes and with button them we can see who is kicking who.
And then my other Idea is add a Report Called: Report Kick Vote Abusing.
Is just my idea, now i want to you guys agree with me.
Any Question Leave it to the comments and i'll answer.
Idea 1:is good, no need to put useless chat in-game to ask who kicked who just to get back a false response.
+1
Idea 2:seems more useless than useful, also more of a strain on the people who handle these reports because, there are many people who are kicked for some stupid stuff, or just as a joke, and it goes through, or say 1 clan member doesn't like a certain player, so they get their clan into the room just to kick that 1 person, vote kick abuse yeah. But then is anyone really going to care enough to log into the website, go to support just to report it, when you can easily just join a different room. -
It should be reportable.
It doesn't really matter what a kicker "thinks" (even if they honestly made a mistake).
Kicks should be based on fact and not on "feelings" or or "assumptions". After all every hack type can be spotted in game even before seeing the replay and if you need to see a replay to make sure someone is hacking then you shouldn't even be kicking without proof. -
I like the idea.It should be reportable.
It doesn't really matter what a kicker "thinks" (even if they honestly made a mistake).
Kicks should be based on fact and not on "feelings" or or "assumptions". After all every hack type can be spotted in game even before seeing the replay and if you need to see a replay to make sure someone is hacking then you shouldn't even be kicking without proof.
This is actually kinda right.
I will be suggesting this, because these people get no punishment whatsoever for rage kicking. They shouldn't get away with that and laugh their ass off if it's approved.
This will maybe stop the abuse of the kick vote. Who knows! -
[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »They shouldn't get away with that and laugh their ass off if it's approved.
Precisely and they have been doing for far too long. That comment made you my favourite mod in a heartbeat.
There needs to be a way for kicks to be seen for it to work (some people argue against this) but one idea is to make kick voting available in replays. Then the kicked person cannot take revenge in game (as some claim) but still can report it if it's abusive.
But more immediately there should definitely be a warning on kick votes because it is annoying to keep pressing esc after a double kill or having to keep checking esc when there are a lot of cry babies in game. Instead of being paranoid all the time you could relax a bit. -
That comment made you my favourite mod in a heartbeat.
Heh.
I can understand that problem, I press "Esc" every ten seconds also, to be able to tell them to "F12". This is not cool in general.
The problem in getting a pop-up like "A vote kick has been started against you from Nonnen!" is easy that hacker will see that and immediately go out of the game and come back. There has to be the rule that if you leave while a kick starts, you are not able to rejoin. That would be the one thing for this one.
Maybe it can also be changed from "F11 Agree / F12 Object" to "F11 Legit F12 Unlegit", I had to figure out what "object" means for a long time first I started playing CrossFire.
The thing is that I want that these people don't get away with rage kicks. They're either jelly or are mad for getting owned. Now where I'm a MOD, they think it's funny to kick a moderator out of the game and get away with that. That's not right. That's also some sort of harrassment if you ask me.
There has to be some changes to make it more clear to people. Well, maybe not changes, just improvements. The system is fine in general, the people who are using it are the ones who make it a bad thing. But we can try to make it more clear to the people who are using it.
I will think of something. -
When you kick someone, it asks for who to kick and the reasoning for it. Make the reasoning mean something! If you're kicking someone who is idle, then pick that reason. Add high ping as a reason to kick, and remove the reason 'other'.
And then I think what should happen is this:
When you get voted out, it says:
You've been kicked by vote kick... (blah blah
Kicked by: [playername]
Reason: Hack/Illegal Program
Unfair dismissal? Report vote kick abuse!
And then you send in a replay (all done in game) which has the chat history (to see abuse) and the vote kicking history (who is voting, who). The replay obviously contains the footage to see if you are hacking etc.
All we need to think of now is the punishment for abuse. (Short bans -that don't affect honourable ribbon? - which slowly increase in length as you abuse more.
The key to this abuse system is it being fast, simple and easy to do. Yes there'd be a lot of reports, but eventually the people abusing would get punished. -
[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »The problem in getting a pop-up like "A vote kick has been started against you from Nonnen!" is easy that hacker will see that and immediately go out of the game and come back. There has to be the rule that if you leave while a kick starts, you are not able to rejoin. That would be the one thing for this one.
I believe other versions have this, so it is something that could be implimented here if Saidin pushes for this. I'm not sure if it tell you would initiated the kick but I do know it shows a little square or something.
It doesn't really matter if they do leave the game when a kick vote is started really because if that kick is successful they won't be able to rejoin anyway even if they have left.[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »Maybe it can also be changed from "F11 Agree / F12 Object" to "F11 Legit F12 Unlegit", I had to figure out what "object" means for a long time first I started playing CrossFire.
or maybe Yes/No, but I'm not sure how much that plays into it. I'm pretty sure they know F11 = 'yes kick'.[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »The thing is that I want that these people don't get away with rage kicks. They're either jelly or are mad for getting owned. Now where I'm a MOD, they think it's funny to kick a moderator out of the game and get away with that. That's not right. That's also some sort of harrassment if you ask me.
Some mods deserve a kick esp for their support of the kick vote as it is:p but yea I know some think it is funny to simply kick a mod for no reason and that is rubbish.[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »There has to be some changes to make it more clear to people. Well, maybe not changes, just improvements. The system is fine in general, the people who are using it are the ones who make it a bad thing. But we can try to make it more clear to the people who are using it.
I agree the kick vote is perfect in theory but with so many imperfect players it makes kick voting as a method almost redundant, with balance it would be good.
Anyway I'll leave it with you, gonna play CF for the first time after many months break.King_Kevin wrote: »When you kick someone, it asks for who to kick and the reasoning for it. Make the reasoning mean something! If you're kicking someone who is idle, then pick that reason. Add high ping as a reason to kick, and remove the reason 'other'.
And then I think what should happen is this:
When you get voted out, it says:
You've been kicked by vote kick... (blah blah
Kicked by: [playername]
Reason: Hack/Illegal Program
Unfair dismissal? Report vote kick abuse!
And then you send in a replay (all done in game) which has the chat history (to see abuse) and the vote kicking history (who is voting, who). The replay obviously contains the footage to see if you are hacking etc.
All we need to think of now is the punishment for abuse. (Short bans -that don't affect honourable ribbon? - which slowly increase in length as you abuse more.
The key to this abuse system is it being fast, simple and easy to do. Yes there'd be a lot of reports, but eventually the people abusing would get punished.
I like this.
Maybe they shouldn't lose honorable soldier ribbon for the first three but after that they should, they after all aren't honorable if they are kicking team mates simply for helping. -
[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »I only see one problem with this idea. How do we prove it's abuse, and not just someone that can tell the difference between a good player and a hacker?
And what is the difference? The result is the same, that being your kicked from games by people moderating the room to supposedly prevent hackers yet they refuse to learn how to spot them.
I find the reasoning flawed, it's on par with saying it's hard to ban hackers as we can't tell if they are really hacking to benefit themselves i.e level up, get a good kdr or if they are just testing it out and/or having a laugh.
Both things negatively affect other players and it's arguable which causes most disruption. For example you can join games and have a noob with a hack and kill him constantly and continue playing, yet with an idiot kicking you for a laugh, or because they think you hack (noob) you can no longer play and lose your kills/GP/EXP.
It would be better to approche kick vote abuse on fact, rather than guessing if the person is just a noob. -
And what is the difference? The result is the same, that being your kicked from games by people moderating the room to supposedly prevent hackers yet they refuse to learn how to spot them.
I find the reasoning flawed, it's on par with saying it's hard to ban hackers as we can't tell if they are really hacking to benefit themselves i.e level up, get a good kdr or if they are just testing it out and/or having a laugh.
Both things negatively affect other players and it's arguable which causes most disruption. For example you can join games and have a noob with a hack and kill him constantly and continue playing, yet with an idiot kicking you for a laugh, or because they think you hack (noob) you can no longer play and lose your kills/GP/EXP.
It would be better to approche kick vote abuse on fact, rather than guessing if the person is just a noob.Chimpzzz, you always find flaw in any kind of reasoning apart from your own. However, we can't just go about punishing people for being ignorant. Otherwise we would have to start with you.
It's extremely hard to prove if a person kicked another player out of jealousy or purely to troll, or really is thinking that player he is kicking is cheating. Especially when hacks get harder to spot without the use of replays.
For example, aimbot no longer has its signature spins. I've played matches where I've held ACE with a 4 out of 5 headshot count. How is a person who is relatively new to this game going to spot the difference between someone aimbotting and a person that is just good at aiming? To a player that is new, both look the same. Only in replay are we able to see the difference, for there we can see the aimbotter wasn't even close to aiming for the head and still got that headshot. -
This is an idiotic way to look for aimbotters. Flickshots do the exact same thing.Flickshooting requires, as the name would suggest, flicking. I'm talking about a person shooting in one direction and hitting the head of a player at a 45 degree angle from were he was pointing his gun. Huge difference.
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[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »Chimpzzz, you always find flaw in any kind of reasoning apart from your own. However, we can't just go about punishing people for being ignorant. Otherwise we would have to start with you.
Because your reasoning for everything is usually faulty or issue specific to make your self look good. You have no constancy at all.
Your reasoning here is:
Legits get kicked = fine (accept the punishment), but it would be "unfair" to punish the idiots who abuse it as they might be 'simple' and just do not know what they are doing.
On top of that your always ignorant and have a bad attitude. Childhood problems I think. Almost troll like.
A nd free freel to give me my first ever infraction like that really matters.[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »It's extremely hard to prove if a person kicked another player out of jealousy or purely to troll, or really is thinking that player he is kicking is cheating. Especially when hacks get harder to spot without the use of replays
That is why fact is better; was the kick required because of the players actions. It doesn't matter what noobs think.
Frecklez like when you kicked me from your room about a year and a half ago now and then blamed it on others 'complaining' and you thought that made it perfectly acceptable. - It was a noobish kick fullstop. And I never brought that excuse anyway. It was because you was making assumptions in game.
And like I said if you have to review replays to know someone is hacking then you didn't know they were hacking to kick in the first place.For example, aimbot no longer has its signature spins. I've played matches where I've held ACE with a 4 out of 5 headshot count. How is a person who is relatively new to this game going to spot the difference between someone aimbotting and a person that is just good at aiming? To a player that is new, both look the same. Only in replay are we able to see the difference, for there we can see the aimbotter wasn't even close to aiming for the head and still got that headshot.
Well we can, like you support: kick them just in case. 4 headshots is far too many anyway he obviously hacks. -
Well we can, like you support: kick them just in case. 4 headshots is far too many anyway he obviously hacks.
Therefore nothing is wrong with the kick vote and as such nothing needs to be changed about it.
From what I get with the quote you're stating that the person behind the kick vote is the problem, not the system. -
[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »I like the idea.
This is actually kinda right.
I will be suggesting this, because these people get no punishment whatsoever for rage kicking. They shouldn't get away with that and laugh their ass off if it's approved.
This will maybe stop the abuse of the kick vote. Who knows!
Banning players for kickvoting is ridiculous.
1. 7 out of 10 players in a room abuse the system (including those who press F11) in almost every room. So imagine all the reports support gets a day.
2. Banning kickvote abusers wont decrease the amount. -
[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »There has to be the rule that if you leave while a kick starts, you are not able to rejoin. That would be the one thing for this one.
I don't think that this matter. Once you're on the vote and leave, the room can still remove and deny you.
Hold on here. People daily getting kicked for being a Turk or using m12s or whatever. That's also harrassement! And playing on a MOD char has it's good and bad sides. Your choice.[MOD]Nonnen wrote: »
Now where I'm a MOD, they think it's funny to kick a moderator out of the game and get away with that. That's not right. That's also some sort of harrassment if you ask me. -
Banning players for kickvoting is ridiculous.
1. 7 out of 10 players in a room abuse the system (including those who press F11) in almost every room. So imagine all the reports support gets a day.
2. Banning kickvote abusers wont decrease the amount.
If there is accountability for people who abuse the system then that number would drop.
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