Kicking system
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you are so right im on of the best hmx pros in this game i know many think there is nothing to be pro but i think thats a good mode i love it and u also have to knife and run i dont understand that but ok i dont go on talking on this...I respectfully disagree.
I consider people who don't put money into the game (or any game) having no right to complain (I'm going against my own beliefs by venting here). I use the same logic about people who don't vote in a presidential election, if you don't vote, you shouldn't have the right to complain (just using that as a comparison.)
Immaturity is a very real problem. You kill one smiley face crossfailer and he goes screaming to the hills "hacker/racker" and before you know it they nominate you for a vote and BAM your gone. Regardless of what language anyone in this game speaks, they all know instantly what F11 or F12 means (I find that very convenient). Plus if they couldn't speak English, at least they can read it (be pretty hard to play this game without knowing what the words were...again, convenient.)
"What if's"
I do agree with your initial statement about creating a foundation based on the said statement. However, "what if" will ALWAYS branch out to more "what if's" in an infinite cycle, this is why no system will ever be perfect.
What if the host runs out of votes? That's the point, you have to ration the votes as host and keep them for the true hacks instead of booting someone you just don't like. The current system operates the same way, everyone is limited in the number of kick vote nominations.
Every time I see a hacker, they are almost never kicked. If I nominate the person for a kick, 9 times out of 10 it's denied. People clearly watch a guy fly through the air and F12 a kick request. If I'm the Host, and I created the room, why should I have to put up with that? Could I exercise my right to leave? Absolutely, but that would make it near impossible for a legitimate player to rank up and accumulate any sort of GP or reward.
Most the time anyone in the game F11's without watching the nominee in person. They just punch the button no matter the reason and this infuriates me while in game. Whenever someone nominates a kick in my room I check the players ping (see if they are spiking), check the rank (see if it's a noob kicking a pro), and watch the player myself (to see if I can see any evidence of a hack).
I have to base everything on personal experience, it's the only thing anyone can ever go off of. When everything is going well and people are getting along and there aren't any hacks, this game is a lot of fun, but it only takes 1 bad apple to ruin the whole game. I have a zero tolerance for cheating and firmly believe the host deserves the right to do a unilateral kick vote.
I wouldn't have a problem with the current system if anyone under a butter bar was barred from nominating someone for a kick. Again, no solution is perfect, but no matter what, I believe the current system needs to be revised to be more stringent.
i hate the situiation with the kick voting system too i always get kick cause of this stupid idiots i wrote the support very often to change something but they always say they will make the system better in the future thats dont help!!!!! i think they wont change anything. so this game isnt the best free online shooter like they always say its just a game for noobs pros are the enemys of them -
GodsLegion wrote: »So you guys believe that the kicking system we have is the best..
I say give kicking option to the Host of each room but you say that people must change not the system...
And i say...
What if 10 people dont like and only 2 like you ? That means that that 10 people can do watever they want?
Kuck you kill you and you never right if 10 people say you wrong?
I am not teying to reinvent the weel ' “My favorite [MOD] “
I am trying to fix the broken* one
This is pointless if 1. The Host doesn't like you, 2. The Host is abusive, 3. The Host wants ace, 4. The Host thinks you're cheating, 5. The Host thinks you're bad or afk. 6. The Host wants his friend/clan mate to join the room and it's full, or 7. The Host likes to screw with people a lot. -
I do leave when I see a hack. The problem is if I'm in a room, and the hack joins... 9 times out of 10 the people never boot the hack. If I was host and had the ability to kick, I could just boot them without there being any debate. I understand that most players in this game have no integrity what so ever and it could be abused, but I'm tired of playing 20 games and being kicked from 18 of them.
The #1 problem with CF is that it's TOO EASY to play for free, thus making immaturity more of a problem than hacking.
It wouldn't be that hard to program the system to keep a tally of the amount of kicking a host does. Even limit them to "X" amount of kicks per day so they cannot abuse the power readily.
The host kick would still be far better than the current system or no system at all (in my opinion).
In the end, as long as it's free, there really isn't a real reason to complain, but I would happily go to a subscription or fee if the game went that direction. I also believe that anyone who puts money into the game has every right to complain about anything they desire.
What makes you think giving the host the ability to kick mean that the hacker will be kicked out? For all I know, host could be some randie that kicks anyone that "QQs" at the hacker, and support him. There is no way to remove the possibility of this, and like I said earlier, I'd rather hope for 10 honest players than have a 10/16 chance of getting an awful host.
I basically agree with what Syther says. This has much more flaws than the current kicking system. -
Hacking is not the only reason why someone should be kicked, have you read what the list pops up when you try kicking someone? Idle, other, bug, insulting/swearing, etc.
But there is no point in arguing anymore, you are simply restating your earlier quote with different words. When an argument comes to that point, I believe there is no point in arguing anymore. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsrgwTNzV_wGodsLegion wrote: »So you guys believe that the kicking system we have is the best..
I say give kicking option to the Host of each room but you say that people must change not the system...
And i say...
What if 10 people dont like and only 2 like you ? That means that that 10 people can do watever they want?
Kuck you kill you and you never right if 10 people say you wrong?
I am not teying to reinvent the weel ' “My favorite [MOD] “
I am trying to fix the broken* one -
AwfulFallout wrote: »
and the blind people that still believe its perfect....) -
.FrozenSyther wrote: »Hacking is not the only reason why someone should be kicked, have you read what the list pops up when you try kicking someone? Idle, other, bug, insulting/swearing, etc.
But there is no point in arguing anymore, you are simply restating your earlier quote with different words. When an argument comes to that point, I believe there is no point in arguing anymore.
Its like someone make a crime and ordinary citizen anyone cann do a police job and arrest him
That what you support here,saying that anyone should have option to kick,shot him whatever it need ,so lets cary everyone gun and deside whos bad and whos good.
Is everyone mature enough to deside whos bad?
You gonna say that why i think the host will be mature enouth?!
Thats why the police have to do the job !
But what we have here?
The police say to citizens take g
uns and and deside your self...
Sharing ' police' 'power' you sharing the responsibility to.
I say better 1 imature deside in Hes home'(room) whos bad and whos good,than 16 imatures in public. -
This is pointless if 1. The Host doesn't like you, 2. The Host is abusive, 3. The Host wants ace, 4. The Host thinks you're cheating, 5. The Host thinks you're bad or afk. 6. The Host wants his friend/clan mate to join the room and it's full, or 7. The Host likes to screw with people a lot.
let the 'police fight the crime,'
if the 'police' need help just point your finger on criminal.
Citizens doing police job,share the responsibilty.... -
FrozenSyther wrote: »You are just going to cry and whine once it (if) is implemented into CF. It's a horrible idea and it's not hard to understand.
If you try to listen and read what people have been saying, you would slap yourself on your forehead and think about why you would post something so idiotic.
Idiots post idiotic threads...Sounds like insult to me ,were are the [MODS]
to see who start the insult?
*)
i need your wisdom....)
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anyway i would slap my self if my way thinking was cinik.
I would slap my self if would not say my believes.
I would slap my self if in argument of minority vs majority i would choose the majority side just because its safer.
I would slap my self if in the battle of weak vs strong i would choose the strong side just because it's safer..
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What makes you think giving the host the ability to kick mean that the hacker will be kicked out? For all I know, host could be some randie that kicks anyone that "QQs" at the hacker, and support him. There is no way to remove the possibility of this, and like I said earlier, I'd rather hope for 10 honest players than have a 10/16 chance of getting an awful host.
I basically agree with what Syther says. This has much more flaws than the current kicking system.
Then make a room all problems solved, it's way better than being kicked by a bunch of nabs anyday of the week.
Until then I'll stick to Minecraft PvP:p -
.CeeSynthetic wrote: »we have one of the worst communitys known to gaming and you want to give them power to kick at will? all those BRs are noobs who cry hak everytime you get a kill will be able to kick you whenever they feel like it. id rather stick to this system
They already have that power.
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Then make a room all problems solved, it's way better than being kicked by a bunch of nabs anyday of the week.
Until then I'll stick to Minecraft PvP:p
That's not problem solved, it's simply 10x more rooms than normal and most of them are empty. I don't like making my rooms unless I play with my clan, I like finding rooms ready-to-go and already in session. And if I try to find a room I'll have to worry about getting kicked from the host. -
.FrozenSyther wrote: »That's not problem solved, it's simply 10x more rooms than normal and most of them are empty. I don't like making my rooms unless I play with my clan, I like finding rooms ready-to-go and already in session. And if I try to find a room I'll have to worry about getting kicked from the host.
You just always see obstacles dont you?, -
Then make a room all problems solved, it's way better than being kicked by a bunch of nabs anyday of the week.
Until then I'll stick to Minecraft PvP:p
And then everyone just sits there in their own room lobbies cuz everyone is too scared of a power crazy moron, and no one actually plays any games.
Sure seems like a fantastic idea. -
.And then everyone just sits there in their own room lobbies cuz everyone is too scared of a power crazy moron, and no one actually plays any games.
Sure seems like a fantastic idea.
my 1st game today !!!
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i am the ace.
all i heard from guys just entered room....kick the ace!! kick the ace!!
and i dont even know who started the vote kick, but doesnt matter...
everyone talk about Host will abuse the vote kicking, and i ask dont everyyyy one abuse it now?? !!
Irepeat: My 1st Game!!!! today
read the ingame chat...
Fa,,,g ha...ker ,n...ob bla bla bla.. -
GodsLegion wrote: »my 1st game today !!!
http://i45.tinypic.com/20k85tl.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/rkvsyo.jpg
i am the ace.
all i heard from guys just entered room....kick the ace!! kick the ace!!
and i dont even know who started the vote kick, but doesnt matter...
everyone talk about Host will abuse the vote kicking, and i ask dont everyyyy one abuse it now?? !!
Irepeat: My 1st Game!!!! today
read the ingame chat...
Fa,,,g ha...ker ,n...ob bla bla bla..
Exactly, you just proved the point off why this system wouldn't work. They're abusing it now, why would they stop for a new system? You're saying Z8 spend time on implementing this but then just for the people to abuse it again? No, it doesn't work like that.
If you're that bothered about being kicked go and play Clan Wars or play with clan members/friends in pubs. -
.Exactly, you just proved the point off why this system wouldn't work. They're abusing it now, why would they stop for a new system? You're saying Z8 spend time on implementing this but then just for the people to abuse it again? No, it doesn't work like that.
If you're that bothered about being kicked go and play Clan Wars or play with clan members/friends in pubs.
notice on screenshot...the guy who say f11 kick hacker noob bla bla...look hes score ...0-0 he just entered the room..
http://i46.tinypic.com/rkvsyo.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/20k85tl.jpg
its abusing clearly..
just wondering...
if the kicking option reason is for deal with hackers...
we have to many honest players " victims"
its like we sucrifise 10 honest players for 2-3 hakers...
i mean if kicking option help to kick 100 hackers daily , 1.000 players kicked for no reason (clear) players
is it worth?
ok mayby i am to harsh..
mayby this time of the day more kids playing..
feel bad really.. -
.GodsLegion wrote: »notice on screenshot...the guy who say f11 kick hacker noob bla bla...look hes score ...0-0 he just entered the room..
http://i46.tinypic.com/rkvsyo.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/20k85tl.jpg
its abusing clearly..
just wondering...
if the kicking option reason is for deal with hackers...
we have to many honest players " victims"
its like we sucrifise 10 honest players for 2-3 hakers...
i mean if kicking option help to kick 100 hackers daily , 1.000 players kicked for no reason (clear) players
is it worth?
ok mayby i am to harsh..
mayby this time of the day more kids playing..
feel bad really..
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Please tell me, what happens when one of these people that tried to f11 you host a room. Tell me please.
No one gives a crap about how often you get kicked, just tell me how this system would make it any harder for one of these people to just make a room and kick you. -
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Please tell me, what happens when one of these people that tried to f11 you host a room. Tell me please.
No one gives a crap about how often you get kicked, just tell me how this system would make it any harder for one of these people to just make a room and kick you.
Dont speak about 'no one', speak about your self,Bob.
Cause there is many players that feel same way i do.
When i say only host should start kick voting, it means Less chances for kicking. 2-3 vote starts only from host...if he wana spend them on anybody,then when real hacker enter room he will realize the truth,but normaly he wont start kick vote.I say better 1 chance for instant kick mayby better from Host only. And i repeat! Its not your job Bob to deal with the hackers,let z8games pros do it.
Most of players when loosing and ungry will press f11 just cause they ungry of loosing .Is it the right way to fight hackers?
And Bob ...dont be ungry...)
And one more thing why voting should be anonymous ? If i believe someone hack i say it,but if i am wrong i should apologize;
The truth is only few payers can seperate real skilled players from
hackers the rest is always unsure;
or just ungry with bad score.
Less chances for being kicked.
Asylum to Host.
Z8games profesionals work on hacking issue.
And Bob you sayd bad word directing to me 'crap'
i take it as insult. -
I think frustration is getting in the way of valid arguments and that is a losing proposition in order to get some reform to current kick vote system.
Nay sayers argue that the Host will abuse a host-only kick vote system. 1 person in a 16 room server... that is 6.25% of the room abusing the kick vote.
The same people are supportive of a system that is clearly abusive to legitimate players. Same room with 16 people, 10 people vote yes to a bogus vote. That is at LEAST 62.5% of the room abusing the current system any 1 vote if it goes through.
6.25% vs 62.5%, that seems like a very large discrepancy in what abusive powers could do. I would much rather take my chance with that 6.25% chance.
I would much rather put up with a power tripping host than an entire room of QQ'ing noobs. -
The problem with giving the host the power to kick everyone is that it would mean the side of the host would win 9 out of 10 times due to wrongful use of the host's power to kick.
The average player is a poor judge of who's playing with hacks and who's just playing better than the average player. And if that better than average player is playing against the host, he'll be kicked without question.
On the other hand, a hacker can play under the radar of his fellow team mates. It's usually the opponent that detects the odd anomalies caused by the hack used first. So if he's playing on the side of the host, and the host can't catch him in the act, even though the opposing players are all convinced this player is hacking, he's very likely to get away with it unless the host kicks him without proof.
And then there is the scenario where the host is the hacker. No one will be able to kick him from the game. And most likely this will motivate hackers to host their own games.
Conclusion: The legit players suffers more in this scenario than the hackers, for every noob and hacker will be hosting rooms, and legit players will get kicked in the one room, and ruined by hackers in the other. -
FrozenSyther wrote: »That's not problem solved, it's simply 10x more rooms than normal and most of them are empty. I don't like making my rooms unless I play with my clan, I like finding rooms ready-to-go and already in session. And if I try to find a room I'll have to worry about getting kicked from the host.
Lol so because you refuse to make a room other people can no longer play?
I don't even play this game because the players make it suck so much. There is no point playing 10 games and to kicked from most of them (if not all those games) which is entirely possible if you meet whiny brats in all of them.It's usually the opponent that detects the odd anomalies caused by the hack used first.
There is no truth in that when everyone cries hack. It's just luck if they are indeed an hacker.
As you said:The average player is a poor judge of who's playing with hacks and who's just playing better than the average player. -
I understand your clearly,
as for the Kicking system, that won't go away. As an experience i had, it had save me from hackers. Yes, can be annoying when you lose your ACE. But basically anyone can kick you even if you are not hacking (which it comes to people abusing the kick). Point is the Kick system will stay there till further notice. -
I understand your clearly,
as for the Kicking system, that won't go away. As an experience i had, it had save me from hackers. Yes, can be annoying when you lose your ACE. But basically anyone can kick you even if you are not hacking (which it comes to people abusing the kick). Point is the Kick system will stay there till further notice.
Actually you won't ever get a "notice" of kick changing for the better, it never will.
It's been like this forever and it is favored by the majority and it's the majority that abuse it. Go figure...
The makers of this game will always want to favour the majority even if it leads to noob things like everyone getting kicked.
At the end of the day is just a bad game that won't ever improve, so if you want to play a game without being removed by noobs this game isn't for you no matter how good the game is (and it is good gameplay wise). -
Lol so because you refuse to make a room other people can no longer play?
I don't even play this game because the players make it suck so much. There is no point playing 10 games and to kicked from most of them (if not all those games) which is entirely possible if you meet whiny brats in all of them.
As you said:
Sigh, did you even read what I said?
And this is why I said this arguement is now pointless. Good luck on your idea.
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